Futuro caça europeu

[cabeça de martelo]

https://www.defensa.com/industria/asi-s ... a-dassault

[knigh7]

Década de 80 again...



matéria completa:

http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/franca-ame ... co-alemao/

[saullo]

A França sempre se repete.
É impressionante.

Abraços

[FCarvalho]

Franceses sendo franceses.

Abs

[Viktor Reznov]

A Dassault tá jurando que consegue construir sozinha um caça de 5ª geração.

[Marechal-do-ar]

A Dassault tá jurando que consegue construir sozinha um caça de 5ª geração.

Disso eu tenho certeza, só quero ver a França consegue pagar sozinha a fatura.

[J.Ricardo]

Mas a França até tem razão nisso, começar um projeto tão avançado e caro mas com coleiras ideológicas é complicado.
Se for por esse lado, vários países árabes (seu principal mercado) ficariam impedidos de comprar esse caça. A Alemanha tem que superar esse trauma da segunda guerra e olhar pro futuro.

Se a França quiser partir sozinha nesse projeto, é bom que olhe para seu passado de sucesso e produza dessa vez um avião mais viável (para os padrões de 5ª G) que o caro Rafale.

[cabeça de martelo]

With nukes in mind, French officials stake out must-haves for Franco-German warplane
By: Sebastian Sprenger

BERLIN — French defense officials said they will bring requirements to the future Franco-German combat aircraft that they believe are deeply connected to the country’s sovereignty: the ability to fire nuclear weapons and operate from aboard aircraft carriers.

These two must-have capabilities take a special place in what will be a growing list of feature requests to be developed by analysts over the coming years. What makes them unique is that the importance Paris ascribes to them likely will place them outside of the give and take in requirements negotiations that happen in all cooperative projects.

“France has a specific policy about deterrence,” Maj. Gen. Jean-Pascal Breton, the French lead for the Future Combat Air System, told attendees at the International Fighter industry conference in Berlin. “That’s why we don’t want any countries to dictate to us what to do.”

The aerial leg of France’s strategic deterrent consists of nuclear-tipped ASMP cruise missiles, made by MBDA. The delivery aircraft — special versions of the Rafale and Mirage — will be phased out in place of the future Franco-German aerial weapon. Meanwhile, France’s desired carrier-operations capability comes with specific design requirements for how planes take off and land on short runways at sea.

French defense officials also hope to incorporate dedicated combat drones into the mix of Future Combat Air System platforms, which France has studied together with the United Kingdom for years. Those carrier-capable unmanned aircraft would be bigger than the drones envisioned to be swarming around the main, manned aircraft, and their task would be striking targets deep behind enemy lines.

Germany needs none of those features. Still, officials from both countries here at the conference insisted the diverging requirements would be sorted out amicably as the program progresses. The Germans hope that the system’s envisioned modular architecture will help limit country-specific variations, allowing nations to configure one common, base-aircraft design to fit their needs.

Brig. Gen. Gerald Funke, the German Air Force’s lead for the project, equates the planned setup to that of a smartphone: The hardware is largely the same, as interchangeable “apps” provide the desired military effects.

France's atomic-weapons requirement dictates that the central fighter aircraft for the FCAS system will be manned, at least initially, Breton told reporters. Asked whether it's conceivable to instead have a drone fire French nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, he replied: “It's a political decision. For the moment, we don't see it.”

According to the French two-star, the program plan foresees agreement on an architecture strategy in 2020, building a demonstrator platform in 2025 or 2026, and freezing the design specifications in 2030 to enable manufacturing in time for a 2040 fielding date.

Analysts are currently toying with four variants for the main, manned, combat aircraft, which is called the next-generation fighter, or NGF, in French FCAS lingo, Breton said.

Each boasts specific strengths, like maneuverability in one case. It is unclear, however, how many distinct versions there will be in the end, he stressed, as Germany and France each fine-tune their visions.

Spain is expected to formally join the project soon. The plan is to have Madrid sign similar cooperation documents as Berlin and Paris have already inked, including a finalized, high-level requirements document in the next few months.

The door is also open for the United Kingdom — which has its own next-generation air project cooking, the “Tempest” — to partake. “When it’s possible to include Tempest at a later time, we will do that,” Breton said.

Airbus and Dassault are the main contractors for the FCAS program. They are slated to receive initial study contracts early next year.

While Dassault will be in charge of the central combat aircraft, as agreed by all, Airbus has claimed the lead for the so-called “system of systems” for the entire project. The term refers to the sensor and command connections linking all FCAS components as part of what Airbus calls the “Combat Cloud Ecosystem.” That piece is considered the secret sauce meant to turn a bunch of flying objects into a highly autonomous, lethal and coordinated weapon.

Asked about the industrial leadership for the “system of systems” going to Airbus — as opposed to Thales, France’s go-to electronics vendor for the domestic military market — Breton thought for a moment and smiled. “There will be a European answer,” he said.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... plane-bid/

[GIL]

Mas a França até tem razão nisso, começar um projeto tão avançado e caro mas com coleiras ideológicas é complicado.
Se for por esse lado, vários países árabes (seu principal mercado) ficariam impedidos de comprar esse caça. A Alemanha tem que superar esse trauma da segunda guerra e olhar pro futuro.

Se a França quiser partir sozinha nesse projeto, é bom que olhe para seu passado de sucesso e produza dessa vez um avião mais viável (para os padrões de 5ª G) que o caro Rafale.

Mais não vi eles falando que ia ser 5ªG

[J.Ricardo]

Mais não vi eles falando que ia ser 5ªG

Não disseram nem se vai ser 6ªG.
Disseram que será uma caça de próxima geração, teremos que esperar pra ver...

[P44]

France and Germany agree next-gen fighter design studies

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
21 November 2018

The Airbus Next-Generation Fighter concept shown in Berlin in November. Along with concepts from Dassault, this design will help inform the development of demonstrator platforms for the future France–Germany combat aircraft. Source: Airbus via IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings
France and Germany have agreed to progress development of a next-generation combat aircraft, with an announcement on 20 November that both countries are to launch demonstrator design studies next year.

The announcement was made on Twitter by French defence minister Florence Parly, who said the agreement she signed in June with her German counterpart, Ursula von der Leyen, to approve the next-generation combat aircraft project had now been firmed up with a commitment to begin the formal design of aircraft and powerplant demonstrators in 2019.

"In June, France and Germany decided to develop, together, the combat aircraft of the future. [There was a] decisive step today with the agreement to begin the studies of architecture and design and the launch of demonstrators (aircraft and engine) by mid-2019. It's moving!", Parly tweeted.

The June agreement came two months after the project was given the formal go-ahead at the ILA Berlin Airshow in April. Referred to as the New Fighter (NF) or Next-Generation Fighter (NGF), the manned combat aircraft is to be developed to operate in conjunction with a swarm of unmanned 'wingmen' as a next-generation weapon system (NGWS).

This NGWS will form part of a wider future combat air system (FCAS, or Système de Combat Aérien Futur [SCAF]) that will include the European medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) remotely piloted aircraft system (RPAS); an ultra-low observable (LO) unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV); future cruise missiles; and other legacy airborne platforms operating in the future battlespace.

When the project was approved, it was decided that France and Dassault should be the lead nation for the NF/NGF component, with Germany and Airbus taking charge of the other FCAS systems. According to Reuters, French engine manufacturer Safran is to announce a joint venture with Germany's MTU to develop the aircraft's powerplant.

Speaking at the IQPC International Fighter conference in Berlin the week prior to Parly's pronouncement, senior military sources from both countries as well as Spain, which is set to join the effort later this year, said that they are currently engaged in their own national studies, and that these studies will be coalesced into a single solution over the coming years.

https://www.janes.com/article/84738/fra ... gn-studies

[old]

Espanha solicita unirse como socio de pleno derecho al proyecto.
Adios F35

https://elpais.com/politica/2018/12/01/ ... 71426.html

[cabeça de martelo]

Espanha solicita unirse como socio de pleno derecho al proyecto.
Adios F35

https://elpais.com/politica/2018/12/01/ ... 71426.html

E a Marinha? Vocês não têm capacidade para ter um PA de tipo CATOBAR.

[J.Ricardo]

Mas até onde eu sei, nem o JC-I não tem capacidade de operar o F-35B, a não ser que façam uma boa reforma nele

[Zelhos]

Alguém sabe se a SAAB tem ou pretende ter participação nesse projeto? Já é quase 2019 e nada se falou sobre o JS 2020.