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Russia's next-generation fighter project cancelled
MOSCOW, April 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russian air force commander-in-chief Aleksandr Zelin has announced the cancellation of the $20-billion PAK-FA program after 20 years of escalating costs, technological glitches and redesigns failed to produce a single prototype aircraft.
The PAK-FA, once billed as Russia's next-generation fighter, had consumed $13.9-billion. The estimated cost of each aircraft had soared to $87.2-million from an original target of $30-million.
"It's had a long and troubled history," said Alexei Arbatov, a senior Duma official who heads the lower house committee for defense.
The PAK-FA, a new generation fighter aircraft concept, was designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II and has been overtaken by the need to strengthen Russia's strategic nuclear forces.
Acknowledging that the PAK-FA no longer fit into the requirements of Russia, the Air Force said it would rather spend the money on an overhaul of its aviation system. If approved by the Federal Assembly, the funds would be directed instead to buy over 400 additional SU-34, SU-35 and other aircraft and to upgrade and modernize 1,400 aircraft already in service. Surface-to-air missiles also would be a priority.
"It's about having an effective deterrent force," said Air Force Colonel General Alexander Zelin. "It's a big decision. We know it's a big decision, but it's the right decision."
The end of the PAK-FA also reflects an acknowledgement by the Ministry of Defence that it simply cannot afford all the programs it wants. The move underscores the fact that the Ministry of Defence must begin economizing as the cost of new weapon systems increase and demands on military spending grow, industry analysts said.
The Air Force would have spent $20-billion on the PAK-FA program through 2012 without getting aircraft significantly more capable than the upgraded SU-35 it already plans to buy, Air Force officials said.
Some officials of the State Duma reacted angrily to the cancellation.
"I am outraged by the decision to terminate the PAK-FA program given that the Air Force has long argued that it is a critical weapons system that plays a pivotal role in our defence," said State Duma deputy Vladimir Medinsky. "What has changed? And how does the military plan to make up for the lost capabilities?"
Alexei Arbatov, Deputy Chairman of the Defence Committee of the State Duma, said the decision "reflects the difficulty that the services are facing with the cost of modernization requirements now coming to the fore."
The cancellation was a blow to the PAK-FA's prime contractors, Sukhoi and NPO Saturn.
A senior Duma official said the Ministry of Defense expects to have to pay a $450-million to $680-million termination fee to Sukhoi and NPO Saturn.
The program's elimination, however, could benefit the two companies. The Air Force now plans to pour more money into the SU-34 and SU-35, and ramp up the upgrade of aircraft already in service which would keep both companies busy for the foreseeable future.
I got this off annother forum so i cant provide a link to the original source.
If this is indeed true its a landmark moment for the RuAF, and the only 5th gen fighter programs will be in western aligned air forces. Still the $20bn that could be spent on Su-35 & Su-34 would be a huge improvement for the RuAF, probably a smart decission in the short to mid term, again if its true.
MOSCOW, April 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russian air force commander-in-chief Aleksandr Zelin has announced the cancellation of the $20-billion PAK-FA program after 20 years of escalating costs, technological glitches and redesigns failed to produce a single prototype aircraft.
The PAK-FA, once billed as Russia's next-generation fighter, had consumed $13.9-billion. The estimated cost of each aircraft had soared to $87.2-million from an original target of $30-million.
"It's had a long and troubled history," said Alexei Arbatov, a senior Duma official who heads the lower house committee for defense.
The PAK-FA, a new generation fighter aircraft concept, was designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II and has been overtaken by the need to strengthen Russia's strategic nuclear forces.
Acknowledging that the PAK-FA no longer fit into the requirements of Russia, the Air Force said it would rather spend the money on an overhaul of its aviation system. If approved by the Federal Assembly, the funds would be directed instead to buy over 400 additional SU-34, SU-35 and other aircraft and to upgrade and modernize 1,400 aircraft already in service. Surface-to-air missiles also would be a priority.
"It's about having an effective deterrent force," said Air Force Colonel General Alexander Zelin. "It's a big decision. We know it's a big decision, but it's the right decision."
The end of the PAK-FA also reflects an acknowledgement by the Ministry of Defence that it simply cannot afford all the programs it wants. The move underscores the fact that the Ministry of Defence must begin economizing as the cost of new weapon systems increase and demands on military spending grow, industry analysts said.
The Air Force would have spent $20-billion on the PAK-FA program through 2012 without getting aircraft significantly more capable than the upgraded SU-35 it already plans to buy, Air Force officials said.
Some officials of the State Duma reacted angrily to the cancellation.
"I am outraged by the decision to terminate the PAK-FA program given that the Air Force has long argued that it is a critical weapons system that plays a pivotal role in our defence," said State Duma deputy Vladimir Medinsky. "What has changed? And how does the military plan to make up for the lost capabilities?"
Alexei Arbatov, Deputy Chairman of the Defence Committee of the State Duma, said the decision "reflects the difficulty that the services are facing with the cost of modernization requirements now coming to the fore."
The cancellation was a blow to the PAK-FA's prime contractors, Sukhoi and NPO Saturn.
A senior Duma official said the Ministry of Defense expects to have to pay a $450-million to $680-million termination fee to Sukhoi and NPO Saturn.
The program's elimination, however, could benefit the two companies. The Air Force now plans to pour more money into the SU-34 and SU-35, and ramp up the upgrade of aircraft already in service which would keep both companies busy for the foreseeable future.
I got this off annother forum so i cant provide a link to the original source.
If this is indeed true its a landmark moment for the RuAF, and the only 5th gen fighter programs will be in western aligned air forces. Still the $20bn that could be spent on Su-35 & Su-34 would be a huge improvement for the RuAF, probably a smart decission in the short to mid term, again if its true.
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Se isso relamente se confirmar,Solutrain,vai ser uma ducha de água gelada em minhas próprias idéias quanto ao Brasil se engajar em um projeto de caça de 5.geração.Agora não nos restam muitas alternativas(só uma....).É uma pena.
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Não consigo confirmação, tirei o texto do defencetalk:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showt ... p?p=139287
Mas parece-me que é fake. Alguém deve ter falsificado a noticia.
As minhas desculpas, acho que é melhor apagar isto.
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http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showt ... p?p=139287
Mas parece-me que é fake. Alguém deve ter falsificado a noticia.
As minhas desculpas, acho que é melhor apagar isto.
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"O que se percebe hoje é que os idiotas perderam a modéstia. E nós temos de ter tolerância e compreensão também com os idiotas, que são exatamente aqueles que escrevem para o esquecimento"
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Minha pergunta é, E OS INDIANOS??? vão tomar na cabeça?? ou a noticia é reflexo de uma já pulada de barco? eles chegaram a fazer algum cheque??
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Se for verdade, tchauzinho SU-35 no F-X
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Tentei encontrar na Novosti, voz da russia e no pravda e não achei esta noticia.
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É uma pena agora só teremos avião americano.
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Soltrain me de uma luz e me indica onde vc achou.
É uma pena agora só teremos avião americano.
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
Será mesmo? Sei lá, tem cara de ser fake. Alguém busca confirmação para isso aí...
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
soultrain escreveu:Não consigo confirmação, tirei o texto do defencetalk:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showt ... p?p=139287
Mas parece-me que é fake. Alguém deve ter falsificado a noticia.
As minhas desculpas, acho que é melhor apagar isto.
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Estou a googlar por noticias e tb não encontro nada
Manobra de diversão????
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
eu acho que é uma manobra para nossa "diversão" em cima do carlos mathias e demais flankeros, p44
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
O ideal seria aguardar algo oficial, caso contrário, não pode-se levar esta informação a sério..
Mas realmente preocupa o conograma do projeto , já adiado diversas vezes...
Mas realmente preocupa o conograma do projeto , já adiado diversas vezes...
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
No próprio Defence Talk o pessoal está dizendo que é fake. Na realidade isso tudo foi uma manobra do Soultrain pra fazer o tópico pegar fogo logo na segunda-feira
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Re: PAK FA Morto e enterrado?
É falso, na agência RIA Novosti não existe essa noticia.
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