Fragata AAW Clase Jacob Van Heemskerck (Clase L)

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Fragata AAW Clase Jacob Van Heemskerck (Clase L)

#1 Mensagem por Degan » Dom Out 09, 2005 1:15 am

El siguiente, es un trabajo sobre las dos nuevas fragatas AAW Chilenas Clase L (JACOB VAN HEEMSKERCK):

La primera fragata, llamada FFG “Almirante Latorre”, se espera que llegue a Chile a principios del año 2006.
La segunda fragata, llamada FFG “Comandante Prat”, se espera que llegue a Chile a fines del año 2006.

PLATAFORMA:
Dimensiones (m) 130.50oa x 14.60 x 4.30
Desplazamiento (t) 3750 totalmente cargada
Propulción COGOG
2 turbinas a gas RR Olympus TM3B de 37.9 MW de potencia
2 turbinas a gas RR Tyne RM1C de 7.4 MW de potencia
2 elices de paso variable, sistema activo de estabilización
Alcance (millas náuticas) 4700 a 16 kt
Tripulación 197

SISTEMAS:
Misiles:
SSM Harpoon (Block IC y BLOCK II), lanzador Mk13 Mod 4, NATO
SAM Misil Standard SM-1MR (Block VI B RIM-66E-6), lanzador Mk13 Mod 4, NATO
SAM SeaSparrow (RIM-7P), lanzador Mk29
Sistema de defensa de punto (Close-In Weapon), cañón Goalkeeper
Dos lanzadores dobles fijos Mk32 mod 9, para torpedos Mk46 mod 5
Contramedidas 2 x SRBOC launchers, ESM/ECM (APECS II ??)
Sistema de control de combate Signaal SEWACO VI, Link 11, Satcom, JMCIS
Sistemas de control de tiro 2 x STIR 240, 1 x STIR 180
Radares: Radar de búsqueda aérea de largo alcance LW08, Radar de búsqueda aire/superficie SAMART-S 3D, Radar Scout LPI
Sonar: Westinghouse AN/SQS-509 de casco

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DESCRIPCIÓN:

SSM Harpoon:

The Harpoon missile was developed in the early 1970s. Numerous upgrades have kept it at the forefront of missile capabilities, including the Block 1 introduced in 1978, and the Block 1B introduced in 1981. Today, the latest variant developed in 1982 called Block 1C is deployed by the United States military (Navy and Air Force) as well as US allies.

The Harpoon Block II is an upgrade program to improve the baseline capabilities to attack targets in congested littoral environments. The upgrade is based on the current Harpoon. Harpoon Block II will provide accurate long-range guidance for coastal, littoral and blue water ship targets by incorporating the low cost integrated Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation System (GPS/INS) from the Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) program currently under development by Boeing. GPS antennae and software from Boeing's Standoff Land Attack Missile (SLAM) and SLAM Expanded Response (SLAM ER) will be integrated into the guidance section. The improved littoral capabilities will enable Harpoon Block II to impact a designated GPS target point. The existing 500 pound blast warhead will deliver lethal firepower against targets which include coastal anti-surface missile sites and ships in port. For the anti-ship mission, the GPS/INS provides improved missile guidance to the target area. The accurate navigation solution allows target ship discrimination from a nearby land mass using shoreline data provided by the launch platform. These Block II improvements will maintain Harpoon's high hit probability while offering a 90% improvement in the separation distance between the hostile threat and local shorelines. Harpoon Block II will be capable of deployment from all platforms which currently have the Harpoon Missile system by using existing command and launch equipment. A growth path is envisioned for integration with the Vertical Launch System and modern integrated weapon control systems. With initiation of engineering and manufacturing development in 1998, initial operational capability for Block II will be available by 2001.

Specifications
Contractor: Boeing [ex McDonnell Douglas]
Power Plant: Teledyne Turbojet and solid propellant booster for surface
Thrust: 660 pounds
Length: 15 feet (4.55 meters)
12 feet, 7 inches
Weight: 1,470 pounds (661.5 kilograms)
Diameter: 13.5 inches (34.29 centimeters)
Wingspan: 3 feet (91.44 centimeters)
Range: Greater than 60 nautical miles
Speed: 855 km/h
Guidance System: Sea-skimming cruise with mid-course guidance monitored by radar altimeter, active seeker radar terminal homing
Warheads: Penetration high-explosive blast (488 pounds)
Explosive Destex
Fuze Contact

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SAM Misil Standard SM-1MR (Block VI B RIM-66E-6):

The final SM-1MR version was the Block VI, designated RIM-66E (RIM-66C/D versions are SM-2, see below). The RIM-66E featured the monopulse seeker of the SM-2, and a new MK 45 MOD 4 proximity fuze (also known as TDD - Target Detection Device). Production began in 1980, and the RIM-66E entered service in 1983. It is still in production for export customers. The subvariants of Block VI include RIM-66E-1/3/7/8 (-3/8 have the MK 115 warhead of SM-2). Block VI A (RIM-66E-5) and Block VI B (RIM-66E-6) had later MODs (6 and 7, respectively) of the MK 45 fuze for improved performance against low-RCS targets, and both use the MK 115 warhead.

RIM-66E SM-1MR
Length 4.48 m
Finspan 1.08 m
Diameter 0.343 m
Weight 617 kg
Speed Mach +2
Ceiling +20.000 m
Range 46 km
Propulsion Aerojet MK 56 dual-thrust solid-fueled rocket
Warhead MK 90 blast-fragmentation

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MK 13 MODS 4

We will now study the Standard launching system by covering a launcher commonly known as the “one-armed bandit.” The Mk 13 Mod 4 GMLS is installed aboard FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry-class ships and the Mk 13 Mod 7 is installed aboard CGN-36 California- class ships. They provide a varied tactical arsenal of missiles to engage air and surface targets. It stows, selects, identifies, loads, aims, and fires Standard SM-1, SM-2, and Harpoon missiles.

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SAM SeaSparrow (RIM-7P), lanzador Mk29

The Navy's RIM-7M Sea Sparrow and the Air Force's AIM-7 Sparrow are radar-guided, air-to-air missiles with high explosive warheads. They have a cylindrical body with four wings at mid-body and four tail fins. The Navy uses the Sea Sparrow version aboard ships as a surface-to-air anti-missile defense. The versatile Sparrow has all-weather, all-altitude operational capability and can attack high-performance aircraft and missiles from any direction. It is widely deployed by U.S. and NATO forces. The Sea Sparrow is found aboard many U.S. and NATO surface warships.

The new RIM-7P software features advanced guidance algorithims that enable Seasparrow to counter the most formidable threats. The missile’s Improved Low Altitude Guidance (LAG) mode makes the RIM-7P exceptionally effective against very low altitude threats, such as sea skimming cruise missiles. In addition, the missile has proven to be highly effective in stressing Electronic Attack (EA) environments.

In 1974 a new launcher was introduced: The Mk 29 Sea Sparrow launcher. It had a lower weight and did not use the RIM-7G but the improved RIM-7H missiles. Today, this launcher is also used by many NATO navies. This system is also known as IPDMS (Improved Point Defense Missile System).

RIM-7M/P
Length 3.66 m
Wingspan 1.02 m
Finspan 0.62 m
Diameter 0.203 m
Weight 231 kg
Speed Mach 4
Range 26 km (14 nm)
Propulsion Hercules MK 58 dual-thrust solid rocket
Warhead 40 kg (88 lb) WDU-27/B blast-fragmentation

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APECS II

Totally integrated ESM and ECM functions
0.5 to 18 GHz ESM subsystem
Tracks up to 200 signals
Jams 16 signals simultaneously
High optional reliability

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Sistemas de control de tiro 2 x STIR 240, 1 x STIR 180

The STIR 180/240/HP is a medium-to-long range tracking and illumination radar system.
The system has been designed primarily to control point and area defence missile systems such as NATO Seasparrow, ESSM and Standard Missiles (SM1 and SM2). A secondary application is the direct control of various calibre guns. The STIR 180 with both I- and K-band facilities provides excellent low-level target tracking for missile and gun control. All STIR configurations have optional TV/IR tracking capabilities. STIR technology stands for high accuracy, excellent perfor-mance and extensive ECCM capabilities. STIR is a well-proven system. More than 150 systems have been sold and are operational. Eleven navies, amongst which are six navies of the NATO alliance, use these systems.
Data on this sheet may be subject to change without notification.

STIR HP
Tracking and illumination radar
(high power version)
STIR HP systems are available in two different director configurations;
one director having a 1.8 m antenna, and another director with a 2.4 m
antenna.
The STIR HP is a medium-to-long range tracking and illumination radar
system. The system has been designed primarily to control point and
area defence missile systems, such as Seasparrow, Aspide and
Standard Missile (SM1 and SM2) types of SAM systems as well as dual
purpose types of guns.
The STIR system is capable of completely automatic operation. However,
manual control and override functions remain available. Automatic target
acquisition and tracking is performed after target indication from the
surveillance sensors and/or data handling systems. Dedicated interfaces
with appropriate processing for various types of command and control

Performance
• Target acquisition and tracking capability up to:
- 1.8 m antenna version 200 km
- 2.4 m antenna version 500 km
Technical data
Antenna
• Antenna type : Cassegrain with monopulse cluster
• Diameter antenna : 1.8 m or 2.4 m
• Beamwidth : 1.4º or 1.0º
• Polarization : vertical
Director drives
• Training movement : Unlimited
• Elevation movement : -30º to +100º (ref. ship’s deck)
• Max. speed 1.8 m version 2.4 m version
- Training : 170º/s 130º/s
- Elevation : 115º/s 85º/s
• Max. acceleration:
- Training : 370º/s2 285º/s2
- Elevation : 370º/s2 285º/s2
TWT transmitter (I-band)
• Average power : 5 kW
• Frequency band : I-band
Receiver
• FTT - Doppler

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Radar de búsqueda aérea de largo alcance LW08:

Manufacturer: Hollandse Signaalapparaten BV (SIGNAAL)

The JUPITER/LW 08 2D-early warning radar performs long range (260 km on 2 m² RCS target) air surveillance on board medium and heavy-tonnage ships. JUPITER/LW 08 operates in D-band, and is available with a cost-effective fully solid-state transmitter. The antenna is mounted on a lightweight hydraulically stabilised platform (roll and pitch).

The synthesiser-driven travelling wave tube transmitter provides for a great flexibility over a wideband frequency, with pulse-to-pulse frequency agility. Together with the low sidelobe level of the antenna (with cosecant squared pattern) the radar has a high performance in an electronic countermeasures polluted environment. Excellent clutter suppression is the result of

· the applications of antenna stabilisation,
· a receiver with a high dynamic range,
· quadrature digital moving target indication processing,
· and circular polarisation.

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Radar de búsqueda aire/superficie SAMART-S 3D

Air and surface search is provided by Thales Nederland's SMART-S 3D radar. This operates in the F-band and range is 100km for a 2m² target.

Main characteristics
• Excellent performance in the Littoral environment
• Supports full performance of ESSM
• Solid State Transmitter integrated in the Antenna
• Very small below deck footprint; just 2 small sized cabinets
• Easily integrated with many CMS systems (Open
Standard Interface and Thales’ TACTICOS Interface)
• Short-range capabilities for helicopter and UAV control
and surface detection
• IFF antenna and optional integration with IFF system.

Functional Aspects
• 3D Air Surveillance with Fast Target alerts
• Surface Surveillance
• Surface Gun Fire Support
• Jammer Surveillance
• IFF Interrogation Support
Functional Aspects
• Maximum Instrumented range: 250 km
• Maximum elevation coverage: 70 degrees
• Minimum Range :150 meters
• Tracking 3D capacity (Air+Surface): 500 targets
• Surface Fire Control Windows: 3
• Elevation accuracy: < 10 mrads
• Bearing accuracy: < 5 mrads
• Range accuracy: < 20 meters
• Detection performance: Small missile ~ 50 km
MPA ~ 200 km
Technical Data
System:
• Two operating modes: medium range up to 150 km at
27 RPM and long range up to 250 km at 13.5 RPM
• Fully automatic detection and tracking in both modes.
The operator can select mission specifi c settings
and override the tracking process.
• Dedicated ECCM techniques.
Antenna:
• Antenna beam width (bearing): approx. 2 degrees
• Antenna rotation speed: 13.5/27 RPM
• Stabilization: electronic
• Very low sidelobes
Transmitter:
• Frequency band: E/F-band (excl. ATC and communication
bands)
• Type: Solid State transmit modules integrated in Antenna
Processing:
• Digital beamforming, resulting in 12 simultaneous
receive beams
• Multipath suppression using a beam under the horizon
• Digital pulse compression
• Doppler fi ltering based on FIR techniques
• Advanced CFAR techniques
• Multiple hypothesis tracking based on multiple target
models
• Classifi cation support

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Radar Scout LPI

Scout™ Low Probability of Intercept Surveillance System


Manufactured by MSSC (a joint venture of DRS Communications Company, LLC and THALES Naval Nederland), the SCOUT™ radar is a truly Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) radar system designed for shipboard surveillance and navigation applications. While it has detection performance characteristics similar to the AN/BPS-16 or other navigation radars, the SCOUT™ radar uses a Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave (FMCW) transmit waveform that enables it to detect a target well before the target's ESM equipment can detect the SCOUT™.

The SCOUT™ is a Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) radar primarily due to the low peak power -- just 1 Watt -- sent into the antenna. By comparison, a pulsed radar requires around 25 kW peak power into the antenna. Furthermore, the FMCW radar can meet many mission requirements with as little as 1 mW power. Typically the SCOUT™ radar cannot be detected by electronic surveillance equipment or radar warning receivers at ranges greater than a few kilometers. Under the same conditions, a pulsed radar is detectable by these devices at ranges exceeding 50 km

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Sonar: Westinghouse AN/SQS-509 de casco

All versions of the SQS-509 have a 360-degree (panoramic) long-range surveillance capability in both passive and active modes. The SQS-509 can track multiple targets while searching for others. It has a 12-ping screen history and a five-ping history on fine video. Target classification takes place using target history, hydrophone effects, Doppler, aspect and audio techniques. Operation is by quick entry button and symbology. Single-operator control is augmented by facilities for computer-aided tracking.

Full interface with the ship's Action Information Center (AIO) allows multiple repeater display in the Combat Information Center (Operations Room). (See UYS-501 report.) Built-In Test Equipment (BITE) facilities are included.
The SQS-509's transmitter group consists of a power supply and a transmitter. The power supply unit converts the ship's housekeeping AC supply into DC. The power supply unit is housed in a standard SQS-509 cabinet. The transmitter consists of 36 power output modules, each driving one stave of the transducer array. The solid-state receiver group is contained in three standard cabinets. Automatic Test Equipment allow fault tracing down to modular level. Future fittings and upgrades to the SQS-505 will almost certainly involve the fitting of SHINPADS (see UYQ-501(V) report) for operation and display of data acquired through the use of sonar.

The SQS-509's transducer array is about 1.2 m in diameter and 1.2 m deep. Each array contains 360 discrete elements arranged in 36 staves with 10 elements per stave.

Technical Data
Coverage: 360 deg
Beam Width (degrees): 10 (36 stave)
Transmitting Frequencies: 5.0, 7.2, 8.0 kHz
Passive Reception Range: 3.5 kHz - 8 kHz
Range: 8 mn
Range Accuracy: +/- 1% of range reading
Doppler Range: +/- 40 knots (7.2 kHz)
Bearing Accuracy: 1 RMS
Modes: Omni, TRDT, DT, Aspect
Displays: Range (A Scan); Bearing (B Scan); Doppler
Initial Detection: 12 ping history of returns
Source Levels: From 224.233 dB/uPa/m (transmission mode dependent)

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Sistema de defensa de punto (Close-In Weapon), cañón Goalkeeper

Goalkeeper is a Dutch close-in weapon system, the purpose of which is to defend a ship against incoming missiles and ballistic shells. The system consists of an autocannon and an advanced radar which tracks incoming fire, determines its trajectory, then aims the gun and fires in a matter of seconds. The system is fully automatic, needing no human input once activated. The kinetic energy of the 30mm rounds is sufficient to destroy any missile or shell. The system can also be deployed to protect airfields. The name comes from the football (soccer) position.

Specification

Gun info:

Gun: GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm seven-barrel Gatling gun
Rate of fire: 70 or 75 shots per second (4200 shots per minute)
Weapons range: 350 to 1500 or 2000 meters (depending on ammo)
Kill distance: 500 meters
Tracking: can keep track of 18 targets and prioritize

Magazine info:

magazine size: 1190 shots
burst size: 300 shots
bursts per magazine: 4
magazine reload time: 9 minutes (loading is done below deck)

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Dos lanzadores dobles fijos Mk32 mod 9, para torpedos Mk46 mod 5

The MK-46 torpedo is designed to attack high performance submarines, and is presently identified as the NATO standard. The MK-46 torpedo is designed to be launched from surface combatant torpedo tubes, ASROC missiles and fixed and rotary wing aircraft. In 1989, a major upgrade program began to enhance the performance of the MK-46 Mod 5 in shallow water. Weapons incorporating these improvements are identified as Mod 5A and Mod 5A(S). The MK-46 Mod 5 torpedo is the backbone of the Navy's lightweight ASW torpedo inventory and is expected to remain in service until the year 2015. The MK 46 originated with the RETORC I (Research Torpedo Configuration I) program conducted by the US Naval Undersea Center (NUC) at Pasadena, CA.

Specifications
Contractor Alliant Techsystems
Power Plant Two-speed, reciprocating external combustion;
Mono-propellant (Otto fuel II) fueled
Length 102.36 in. tube launch configuration (from ship)
Weight 517.65 lbs (warshot configuration)
Diameter 12.75 inches
Range Officially "8,000 yards"
Reportedly 11,400 - 12,000 yd. at 45 kt.
Weapon acquisition range 1600 yards
Depth Officially "Greater than 1,200 ft (365 meters)"
Reportedly 1,500 ft.
Search/attack depth settings Minimum 20 yards
Maximum 1500 yards
Speed Greater than 28 knots (32.2 mph, 51.52 kph)
Reportedly 45 kt
Actual 45 knots
Run characteristics 6-8 minutes
clockwise
Guidance System Homing mode - Active or passive/active acoustic homing
Launch/search mode - Snake or circle search
Warhead 98 lbs. of PBXN-103 high explosive (bulk charge)
Date Deployed 1966 (Mod 0); 1979 (Mod 5)

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#2 Mensagem por Lauro Melo » Dom Out 09, 2005 12:53 pm

Ótimos navios, assim como são ótimos os da Classe M. As Type 23 também são 10.
Mas Degan as Type 23 só vem em 2008 ?
Muito legal o artigo. Estas 7 ( sete ) Fragatas formarão a Melhor Marinha de toda AL em 2008 ( :?: ), 2009 ( :?: ).
{ ta vendo Degan }
Parabéns ao Chile, que terá uma das 10 Melhores Marinhas do MUNDO.
Mas Amigo só de tópico desta Fragatas deve ter uns 15 ( :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: ).
Abraços,

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Mas amigo Degan ( vulgo Dega ) é uma Brincadeira, vc disse Broma... :lol: :lol: :D :P

Sinta o Poder de um MK-48 mod 6

Vão ser os alvos mais legais..... :D :D
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Editado pela última vez por Lauro Melo em Dom Out 09, 2005 6:26 pm, em um total de 3 vezes.
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#3 Mensagem por P44 » Dom Out 09, 2005 1:56 pm

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#4 Mensagem por Degan » Dom Out 09, 2005 9:51 pm

Mas Degan as Type 23 só vem em 2008 ?


No Lauro, es oficial que las fechas de llegadas son una por año, con la primera llegando a Chile durante el año 2006, la siguiente el 2007 y la última el 2008.
Esto fue solicitado por la propia Armada de Chile, para dar tiempo de afrontar adecuadamente los tremendos cambios en sistemas, Logística y capacitación del 100% de la flota de combate mayor... :shock:

Muito legal o artigo.


Gracias amigo, realmente me costó hacerlo, me hubiera gustado traducirlo 100% al español, pero como el foro es en portugués, no valía la pena... :?

Estas 7 ( sete ) Fragatas formarão a Melhor Marinha de toda AL em 2008 ( ), 2009 ( ).
{ ta vendo Degan }


Primero, son 8 fragatas, se te olvida la Type 22-2.
Segundo, el 100% de las fragatas (las 8) estarán en servicio en Chile durante el año 2008.

Parabéns ao Chile, que terá uma das 10 Melhores Marinhas do MUNDO.


:shock: Gracias, viniendo de ti, vale por dos... :lol:

Mas Amigo só de tópico desta Fragatas deve ter uns 15


Disculpa, pero no encontré otro tópico más adecuado.... :oops:

Mas amigo Degan ( vulgo Dega ) é uma Brincadeira, vc disse Broma...


Tal como te lo dije en otro tópic, realmente no entiendo la broma... :?

Vão ser os alvos mais legais.....


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Un abrazo Lauro.

Amigo P44,

No sufras, al menos quedaron en manos latinas..... :mrgreen:

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#5 Mensagem por P44 » Seg Out 10, 2005 6:45 am

Degan escreveu:Amigo P44,

No sufras, al menos quedaron en manos latinas..... :mrgreen:


Em 2010 conhecerás a FÚRIA DOS PADEIROS!!!!!!!! :!: :twisted: :P :lol: :mrgreen:
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#6 Mensagem por Fox » Seg Out 10, 2005 3:25 pm

Degan escreveu:
Lauro Melo escreveu:Parabéns ao Chile, que terá uma das 10 Melhores Marinhas do MUNDO.


:shock: Gracias, viniendo de ti, vale por dos... :lol:


Ih.... eu acho que não! O Chile no máximo estará entre as 20 melhores marinhas.

Sem uma ordem especifica: EUA, Inglaterra, Itália, França, Japão, China, Rússia, Alemanha, Holanda, Espanha, Turquia, Coréia do Sul, Canadá, Austrália, Taiwan, Grécia, Índia, ...

Falou!!! :wink:




Bandeira que é o nosso espelho!
Bandeira que é a nossa pista!
Que traz no topo vermelho,
O coração do Paulista!


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#7 Mensagem por Malandro » Seg Out 10, 2005 3:43 pm

P44 escreveu:
Degan escreveu:Amigo P44,


No sufras, al menos quedaron en manos latinas..... :mrgreen:


Em 2010 conhecerás a FÚRIA DOS PADEIROS!!!!!!!! :!: :twisted: :P :lol: :mrgreen:
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#8 Mensagem por REGATEANO » Seg Out 10, 2005 4:24 pm

Fox escreveu:
Degan escreveu:
Lauro Melo escreveu:Parabéns ao Chile, que terá uma das 10 Melhores Marinhas do MUNDO.


:shock: Gracias, viniendo de ti, vale por dos... :lol:


Ih.... eu acho que não! O Chile no máximo estará entre as 20 melhores marinhas.

Sem uma ordem especifica: EUA, Inglaterra, Itália, França, Japão, China, Rússia, Alemanha, Holanda, Espanha, Turquia, Coréia do Sul, Canadá, Austrália, Taiwan, Grécia, Índia, ...

Falou!!! :wink:


Rapaz, ouso descordar.

Como assim China na frente da Rússia?! Akula, Typhoon, o Porta-Aviões, Kirov, Fragatas, Victor III, Delta IV... ??

O resto é bastante controvertido. Por exemplo: Holanda na frente da Espanha? O Principe de Asturias com Harrier II não conta?

A Índia tão atrás assim, até do Canadá!!?!!

Não vou fazer um ranking, mas acho que o seu está discrepante da realidade.

Abraços




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#9 Mensagem por fredom » Seg Out 10, 2005 4:55 pm

Rapaz, ouso descordar.

Como assim China na frente da Rússia?! Akula, Typhoon, o Porta-Aviões, Kirov, Fragatas, Victor III, Delta IV... ??

O resto é bastante controvertido. Por exemplo: Holanda na frente da Espanha? O Principe de Asturias com Harrier II não conta?

A Índia tão atrás assim, até do Canadá!!?!!

Não vou fazer um ranking, mas acho que o seu está discrepante da realidade.

Abraços


hehe, sem querer ser chato(mas já sendo) o Fox deixou bem claro na mensagem delo o seguinte:

Ih.... eu acho que não! O Chile no máximo estará entre as 20 melhores marinhas.

Sem uma ordem especifica: EUA, Inglaterra, Itália, França, Japão, China, Rússia, Alemanha, Holanda, Espanha, Turquia, Coréia do Sul, Canadá, Austrália, Taiwan, Grécia, Índia, ...

Falou!!!




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#10 Mensagem por Fox » Seg Out 10, 2005 5:07 pm

fredom escreveu:
Rapaz, ouso descordar.

Como assim China na frente da Rússia?! Akula, Typhoon, o Porta-Aviões, Kirov, Fragatas, Victor III, Delta IV... ??

O resto é bastante controvertido. Por exemplo: Holanda na frente da Espanha? O Principe de Asturias com Harrier II não conta?

A Índia tão atrás assim, até do Canadá!!?!!

Não vou fazer um ranking, mas acho que o seu está discrepante da realidade.

Abraços


hehe, sem querer ser chato(mas já sendo) o Fox deixou bem claro na mensagem delo o seguinte:

Ih.... eu acho que não! O Chile no máximo estará entre as 20 melhores marinhas.

Sem uma ordem especifica: EUA, Inglaterra, Itália, França, Japão, China, Rússia, Alemanha, Holanda, Espanha, Turquia, Coréia do Sul, Canadá, Austrália, Taiwan, Grécia, Índia, ...

Falou!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Eu só queria dizer que existem pelo menos 15 marinhas melhores que a do Brasil e Chile! Entendeu??? :roll:

Falou!!! :wink:




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#11 Mensagem por REGATEANO » Seg Out 10, 2005 6:36 pm

Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão

Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa

Isso é o que dá não ler direito as coisas!!!

eheheheh




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#12 Mensagem por Fox » Seg Out 10, 2005 7:07 pm

Francisco Daniel escreveu:Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão Perdão

Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa Desculpa

Isso é o que dá não ler direito as coisas!!!

eheheheh


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#13 Mensagem por Degan » Seg Out 10, 2005 9:46 pm

Realmente no importa si tenemos la Armada número 5 o 50 del mundo.... :wink:

Lo que realmente importa, es que haga bien su tarea y a costos razonables para el estado....

Pero de la lista....Canadá, Australia y Taiwán me dejan dudas.... :?

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#14 Mensagem por Fox » Ter Out 11, 2005 9:22 am

Pero de la lista....Canadá, Australia y Taiwán me dejan dudas....


Eu não tenho duvidas! :wink:

Os principais navios de cada marinha.

Canadá

- 03 Destroier Iroquois: SM-2MR, 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão OTO de 76 mm, e 1 Phalanx CIWS de 20 mm,

- 12 Fragata Halifax: 8 Harpoon, 16 VL Sea Sparrow, 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão de 57 mm Bofors, 1 Phalanx CIWS de 20 mm

- 04 Submarino Victoria (Ex. RN Upholder): 6 tubos de 21 polegadas, e capacidade para 18 torpedos.

- 02 Navios de apoio logístico Protecteur (24.700 toneladas): 18.000 toneladas de combustível, 400 toneladas de munição, etc

- 12 Patrulheiro Kingston (em guerra draga-minas): 1 canhão de 40 mm e 2 de 12.7 mm

Austrália

- 05 Fragatas Adelaid(Perry): 40 SM-1MR/Harpoon, 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão Oto de 76 mm OTO 1 Phalanx CIWS de 2O mm

- 5 + 1 (uma em termino de construção.) Fragatas Anzac: 8 Sea Sparrow (VLS), 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão de 127 mm e 2 de 12.7 mm.
Em todas as embarcações podem ser adicionados um Phalanx CIWS e mísseis Harpoon.

- 5 (?) Submarino Collins: 6 tubos de 21 polegadas (torpedos, Harpoon e mines)

- 02 Navio de transporte Kanimbla(+ 8.000 toneladas): 450 homens, 4 helicópteros

- 01 Navio de transporte Tobruk(+ 6.000 toneladas): 300-500 homens

- 01 Navios de apoio logístico Success (~ 18.000 toneladas): ~9.500 toneladas de combustível,etc. armamento: 2 Phalanx CIWS de 2O mm, 3 40 mm, 4 12.7 mm

- 01 Navios de apoio logístico Westralia (~ 41.000 toneladas): ~9.500 toneladas de combustível,etc. armamento: 2 Phalanx CIWS de 2O mm, 12.7 mm

- 7 + (1) draga-minas Huon e Bandicoot

- 15 Patrulheiros Fremantle: 1 canhão de 40 mm, 2 de 12.7 mm e 1 morteiro de 81 mm.

Taiwan

- 7 +1 (?) Fragatas Cheung Kung(Perry): 8 Hsiung Feng II, 1 Mk 13 (40 SM-1MR), 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão OTO 76 mm OTO, 2 de 40mm, 3 de 20 mm e 1 Phalanx CIWS de 20 mm

- 6 Fragatas Kang Ting: 8 Hsiung Feng II SSM, Sea Chaparral, 2 lançadores triplo de 12,75 polegadas, 1 canhão OTO de 76 mm OTO, 2 de 40mm e 1 Phalanx CIWS de 20 mm.

- 8 Fragatas Chi Yang (Knox): ASROC (16 ASROC ou 12 ASROC + 4 Harpoon), 1 canhão de 127 mm, 1 Phalanx CIWS de 20 mm e 4 tubos de torpedos de 12,75 polegadas 20 mm.

- 2 Submarinos (Hai Lung): 6 tubos de 21 polegadas, e capacidade para 28 torpedos.

OBS: + 2 submarinos, porem são muito antigo(Guppy II), e não sei se estão operacional.

- 19 navios de transporte, em destaque 2 Newport e 1 Shui Hai.

- 12 Patrulheiros: 1 canhão de 40 mm, 1 de 20 mm, etc.

- 04 Patrulheiros (missile boats): Hsiung Feng II, canhões de 20 mm, etc.

- 12 draga-minas

- 16 Navios de apoio logístico, em destaque 1 Wu Yi (17.000 toneladas) e 3 Wu Kang (5.000).

Nem vou incluir os vetores aéreos disponível em cada marinha...

Falou!!! :wink:




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#15 Mensagem por smaerd » Ter Out 11, 2005 1:08 pm

Menudo tema mas espinoso el de las "clasificaciones". Aqui les dejo un documento ya bastante antiguo y en castellano acerca del tema.

Un saludo


http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/espe ... mamund.htm




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