Japan hunts intruding submarine amid alarm over China
Updated 11:22am (Mla time) Nov 11, 2004
Agence France-Presse
TOKYO, Japan -- Japan's navy tracked a submarine that intruded into its waters for a second day Thursday amid alarm in Tokyo that the incident was a show of strength by growing competitor China.
Neither Japan nor China has officially commented on the nationality of the submarine, which spent about two hours in Japanese waters Wednesday near the southern island of Okinawa before a chase on the high sea.
The Chinese foreign ministry denied all knowledge of the incident in its first response to the drama. "We don't know. We are not aware of this situation," the ministry said.
The Japanese navy trailed the submarine with two destroyers and a surveillance airplane throughout the night, a Defense Agency spokesman said.
"We are still chasing outside Japanese waters," said Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda, the government spokesman.
He declined to identify the location of the hunt but said the submarine was zigzagging.
Asked by a reporter why Japan could not identify the vessel's nationality a day into the chase, Hosoda said: "Because it's under water."
But judging from its cruising sound, the Defense Agency believes the vessel is a Chinese navy Han-type nuclear submarine, the mass-circulation Yomiuri Shimbun and Jiji Press news agency said.
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Japan's navy gives chase to suspicious sub
The government ordered the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) to chase an unidentified submarine that was spotted in Japan's territorial waters around southwestern Okinawa Prefecture Wednesday morning, a government spokesman said.
The submarine subsequently left Japan's territorial waters, but the MSDF remains on full alert in case it intrudes into territorial waters again, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a news conference.
"It's extremely regrettable. We need to clarify the purpose of the intrusion and the nationality of the submarine among other questions," Hosoda said.
Crewmembers of an MSDF P3C anti-submarine patrol aircraft spotted the submarine in seas off Miyako and Ishigaki islands, southwestern Okinawa Prefecture, early Wednesday morning. At 8:45 a.m., Defense Agency Director General Yoshinori Ono ordered the MSDF to chase the submarine after receiving approval from Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.
Following the order, the MSDF dispatched more P3C aircraft and a destroyer to the area. However, Hosoda said the MSDF did not issue any warning to the submarine.
Even through the submarine left Japan's territorial waters, the P3C aircraft is continuing to pursue the vessel. The nationality of the submarine has not yet been confirmed.
The Defense Agency chief issued the order under Article 82 of the SDF Law. This is the second time that Japan issued such an order following one issued in March 1999 when a North Korean spy ship entered Japan's territorial waters in the Sea of Japan.
The clause allows the Defense Agency chief to order SDF, with permission from the prime minister, to go into action in the sea to keep law and order in cases of crises the Japan Coast Guard cannot cope with on its own. (Mainichi Shimbun, Japan, Nov. 10, 2004)
The government ordered the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) to chase an unidentified submarine that was spotted in Japan's territorial waters around southwestern Okinawa Prefecture Wednesday morning, a government spokesman said.
The submarine subsequently left Japan's territorial waters, but the MSDF remains on full alert in case it intrudes into territorial waters again, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a news conference.
"It's extremely regrettable. We need to clarify the purpose of the intrusion and the nationality of the submarine among other questions," Hosoda said.
Crewmembers of an MSDF P3C anti-submarine patrol aircraft spotted the submarine in seas off Miyako and Ishigaki islands, southwestern Okinawa Prefecture, early Wednesday morning. At 8:45 a.m., Defense Agency Director General Yoshinori Ono ordered the MSDF to chase the submarine after receiving approval from Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.
Following the order, the MSDF dispatched more P3C aircraft and a destroyer to the area. However, Hosoda said the MSDF did not issue any warning to the submarine.
Even through the submarine left Japan's territorial waters, the P3C aircraft is continuing to pursue the vessel. The nationality of the submarine has not yet been confirmed.
The Defense Agency chief issued the order under Article 82 of the SDF Law. This is the second time that Japan issued such an order following one issued in March 1999 when a North Korean spy ship entered Japan's territorial waters in the Sea of Japan.
The clause allows the Defense Agency chief to order SDF, with permission from the prime minister, to go into action in the sea to keep law and order in cases of crises the Japan Coast Guard cannot cope with on its own. (Mainichi Shimbun, Japan, Nov. 10, 2004)
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Japan still searching for suspected Chinese sub
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Japan's search for a submarine that entered its waters near a disputed gas field entered a second day as media reports quoted defence officials as saying the vessel was most likely Chinese.
The Japanese navy was still trailing the submarine with two destroyers and a surveillance airplane after continuing the chase through the night, a defence agency spokesman said.
"We do not know when the chase will be stopped," he said, declining to say where the submarine was or in which direction it was heading.
The submarine was detected early Wednesday in Japanese waters near islands disputed with China about 300 kilometers (180 miles) southwest of Okinawa.
The southern island of Okinawa is home to a major US military base.
Judging from its cruising sound, the Defence Agency believes the vessel is a Chinese navy Han-type nuclear submarine, the mass-circulation Yomiuri Shimbun and Jiji Press news agency said.
The incident is expected to deal further damage to already sour diplomatic relations between the two Asian neighbours.
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Japan's search for a submarine that entered its waters near a disputed gas field entered a second day as media reports quoted defence officials as saying the vessel was most likely Chinese.
The Japanese navy was still trailing the submarine with two destroyers and a surveillance airplane after continuing the chase through the night, a defence agency spokesman said.
"We do not know when the chase will be stopped," he said, declining to say where the submarine was or in which direction it was heading.
The submarine was detected early Wednesday in Japanese waters near islands disputed with China about 300 kilometers (180 miles) southwest of Okinawa.
The southern island of Okinawa is home to a major US military base.
Judging from its cruising sound, the Defence Agency believes the vessel is a Chinese navy Han-type nuclear submarine, the mass-circulation Yomiuri Shimbun and Jiji Press news agency said.
The incident is expected to deal further damage to already sour diplomatic relations between the two Asian neighbours.
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TOKYO (Reuters) - A submarine that intruded into waters off Japan earlier this week has been identified as Chinese, Japan's top government spokesman Hiroyuki Hosoda said on Friday, adding that Tokyo would protest to Beijing.
Japan mobilized its navy for the first time in five years on Wednesday after the unidentified submarine was spotted near the Okinawa islands, 1,000 miles southwest of Tokyo.
The intrusion was brief and no warning shots were fired, but the mobilization was a rare display of Japan's military capability, long constrained by a pacifist constitution.
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TOKYO (Reuters) - A submarine that intruded into waters off Japan earlier this week has been identified as Chinese, Japan's top government spokesman Hiroyuki Hosoda said on Friday, adding that Tokyo would protest to Beijing.
Japan mobilized its navy for the first time in five years on Wednesday after the unidentified submarine was spotted near the Okinawa islands, 1,000 miles southwest of Tokyo.
The intrusion was brief and no warning shots were fired, but the mobilization was a rare display of Japan's military capability, long constrained by a pacifist constitution.
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Japanese FM says China has voiced regret for submarine intrusion
TOKYO : China has told Japan it regrets the intrusion of a submarine last week into Japanese waters, Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said on Tuesday.
"It entered the area because of a technical error and the Chinese side said it was regretted," Machimura was quoted as saying by a foreign ministry official in Tokyo.
He said the message was relayed to Japan's ambassador in Beijing.
The submarine intruded into Japanese waters last Wednesday near a disputed gas field, setting off a two-day chase on the high seas.
On Friday, Tokyo summoned a Chinese diplomat to demand an apology. - AFP
Japanese FM says China has voiced regret for submarine intrusion
TOKYO : China has told Japan it regrets the intrusion of a submarine last week into Japanese waters, Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said on Tuesday.
"It entered the area because of a technical error and the Chinese side said it was regretted," Machimura was quoted as saying by a foreign ministry official in Tokyo.
He said the message was relayed to Japan's ambassador in Beijing.
The submarine intruded into Japanese waters last Wednesday near a disputed gas field, setting off a two-day chase on the high seas.
On Friday, Tokyo summoned a Chinese diplomat to demand an apology. - AFP
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Se isso acontecesse aqui poderíamos ficar mais tranqüilos. Com os nossos P-95A/B, não iriamos saber de nada mesmo.... 
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China 'sorry' over mystery sub
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The incident sparked a two-day chase by Japan's navy
China has apologised for what it called an accidental incursion by one of its submarines into Japanese waters last week, Tokyo has said.
Japan's Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said China had expressed regret for the incident, which sparked Japan's first naval alert since 1999.
Japan lodged a protest last Friday after saying the sub, which entered waters off Okinawa, was Chinese.
Beijing has not yet publicly confirmed its reported apology.
Japanese officials said they had been told that the Chinese submarine entered Japanese territorial waters by mistake.
Japan's top government spokesman, Hiroyuki Hosoda, said that Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister, Wu Dawei, told the Japanese ambassador to China on Tuesday morning that the sub was on routine manoeuvres, and that Beijing regretted the incident.
"We consider this to be an apology," Mr Hosoda told a news conference.
Japanese Foreign Minister Mr Machimura said the sub had made the incursion due to a "technical error".
"The Chinese side said there is no change in its stance that it intends to build partnership with neighbour Japan," Mr Machimura added.
The incident threatened to further strain relations between Japan and China, already locked in disputes about contested resources, and sensitivities over their recent history.
The submarine was first spotted last Wednesday near the Sakishima islands, which lie about 120km (75 miles) south of the disputed Senkaku islands - known as the Diaoyu in Chinese.
It sparked a two-day chase, with Japan concluding it was Chinese due to its noise and general direction as it fled.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4015211.stm
The incident sparked a two-day chase by Japan's navy
China has apologised for what it called an accidental incursion by one of its submarines into Japanese waters last week, Tokyo has said.
Japan's Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said China had expressed regret for the incident, which sparked Japan's first naval alert since 1999.
Japan lodged a protest last Friday after saying the sub, which entered waters off Okinawa, was Chinese.
Beijing has not yet publicly confirmed its reported apology.
Japanese officials said they had been told that the Chinese submarine entered Japanese territorial waters by mistake.
Japan's top government spokesman, Hiroyuki Hosoda, said that Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister, Wu Dawei, told the Japanese ambassador to China on Tuesday morning that the sub was on routine manoeuvres, and that Beijing regretted the incident.
"We consider this to be an apology," Mr Hosoda told a news conference.
Japanese Foreign Minister Mr Machimura said the sub had made the incursion due to a "technical error".
"The Chinese side said there is no change in its stance that it intends to build partnership with neighbour Japan," Mr Machimura added.
The incident threatened to further strain relations between Japan and China, already locked in disputes about contested resources, and sensitivities over their recent history.
The submarine was first spotted last Wednesday near the Sakishima islands, which lie about 120km (75 miles) south of the disputed Senkaku islands - known as the Diaoyu in Chinese.
It sparked a two-day chase, with Japan concluding it was Chinese due to its noise and general direction as it fled.
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Bem, há os subs, as fragatas, as corvetas, os contratorpedeiros e os SH-3 do NAe São Paulo. Todos eles dispõem de meios, ainda que rudimentares, para a detecção de subs.
Mas se formos levar em conta a real disponibilidade e a freqüência com que patrulhas são realizadas, e compararmos isso ao tamanho do litoral, chegamos ao que vc disse: uma em 1 milhão.
Lembrando que as fragatas/corvetas/contratorpedeiros teriam apenas sonares de casco, já que seus Lynx não têm sonar e o MoD Frag teve seu sonar rebocado suspenso para as quatro últimas Niteróis.
Mas se formos levar em conta a real disponibilidade e a freqüência com que patrulhas são realizadas, e compararmos isso ao tamanho do litoral, chegamos ao que vc disse: uma em 1 milhão.
Lembrando que as fragatas/corvetas/contratorpedeiros teriam apenas sonares de casco, já que seus Lynx não têm sonar e o MoD Frag teve seu sonar rebocado suspenso para as quatro últimas Niteróis.
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O problema é que as Forças Navais só saem ao mar de forma muito esporádica, o que dificulta muito a detecção de qualquer submarino por nossos navios.
E mesmo quando eles saem, a maioria dos submarinos não seria tão burra de ficar lá paradão e invadir justamente nessa hora. Claro, ao menos que a missão dele seja espionar o desempenho da nossa esquadra.
Portanto tais detecções são geralmente mais eficazes com Aviões de Patrulha Marítima.
De todas as aviações da FAB, com certeza a que apresenta uma situação mais desastrosa é a de Patrulha. A de caça tá ruim, a de transporte médio tá preta, mas a de Patrulha está aos cacarecos!
Abraço a todos
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E mesmo quando eles saem, a maioria dos submarinos não seria tão burra de ficar lá paradão e invadir justamente nessa hora. Claro, ao menos que a missão dele seja espionar o desempenho da nossa esquadra.
Portanto tais detecções são geralmente mais eficazes com Aviões de Patrulha Marítima.
De todas as aviações da FAB, com certeza a que apresenta uma situação mais desastrosa é a de Patrulha. A de caça tá ruim, a de transporte médio tá preta, mas a de Patrulha está aos cacarecos!
Abraço a todos
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