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Enviado: Ter Out 17, 2006 5:08 pm
por juarez castro
Luiz Padilha escreveu:
juarez castro escreveu:
talharim escreveu:Meu caro amigo cicloneprojekt,e as mudanças/modernizações mais esperadas por todos nós para o São Paulo :

Ampliação das Catapultas ?

Instalação de sistema de defesa de área ?

A quantas anda ??? Ainda podemos ter esperanças ???


I have a dream!!!!!!!!

Grande abraço


Juarez,

o SP só será armado de verdade em 2008/09.
O Acidente atrasou muito esta parte. Iria ser em 2008, mas agora acho que se esntenderá um pouco. Vamos ver, quem sabe "nosso" sonho não se realiza!

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Padilha


Eu tinha que dar uma cornetiada nel Padilha.

Grande abraço

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 6:42 am
por Rui Elias Maltez
Cicloneproject:

Enfim, algumas boas infos estão se conformando. Tipo possível aquisição de SH-60Bs p/ a MB, com a possível definição de um novo torp leve(preferiria pessoalmente o MU-90 Impact B export), mas talvez venham mesmo uns Mk-44 ou Mk-46 este último nas versões mod 7/8.


A fazer-se essa compra de SH-60B, seriam para substituir os Sea-King? E de quantas unidades estariamos a falar?

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 7:55 am
por Luiz Padilha
Rui Elias Maltez escreveu:Cicloneproject:

Enfim, algumas boas infos estão se conformando. Tipo possível aquisição de SH-60Bs p/ a MB, com a possível definição de um novo torp leve(preferiria pessoalmente o MU-90 Impact B export), mas talvez venham mesmo uns Mk-44 ou Mk-46 este último nas versões mod 7/8.


A fazer-se essa compra de SH-60B, seriam para substituir os Sea-King? E de quantas unidades estariamos a falar?


Fala-se em 6 unidades de SH-70 que ja ouvi ser chamado de SH-60R.
Estou buscando para saber ao certo.
Uns dizem que serão ex-US NAVY outros dizem que serão novos.
Confesso que ainda não sei.
A MB mandou retrofitar todos os seus Exocet, desde os MM38 ainda existentes , o AM-39 e o MM-40, ou seja, acredito que alguns SeaKing continuem apenas com a função de dispara-lo, face ao fato de que o SH-70 não tem esta capacitação.
Pelo menos ainda. Afinal, no mundo inteiro não existe SeaHawk lançando Exocet.
Enfim, vamos aguardar mais noticias.

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Padilha

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 8:23 am
por P44
Fala-se em 6 unidades de SH-70 que ja ouvi ser chamado de SH-60R.
Estou buscando para saber ao certo.
Uns dizem que serão ex-US NAVY outros dizem que serão novos.
Confesso que ainda não sei.


Talvez esta noticia ajude (?)...

Imagem

Brazil – S-70B Helicopters and Engines


(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; dated Sept. 27, issued Sept. 28, 2006)



WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Brazil of S-70 helicopters as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $300 million.

The Government of Brazil has requested a possible sale of six (6) S-70B helicopters, 13 T-700-401C engines, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $300 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these helicopters to fulfill its strategic commitments for search and rescue and self-defense within the region. The Brazilian Armed Forces’ possession of an enhanced capability to conduct search and rescue operations, maritime interdiction operations, and provide other types of maritime support reduces requirements for U.S. forces. This procurement also will enable the Brazilian Navy to be interoperable with U.S. forces on routine training exercises and deployments in support of peacekeeping security operations. Brazil plans to use this equipment to augment or replace existing SH-3 helicopters. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be: Sikorsky Aircraft (United Technologies) Corporation of Stratford, Connecticut and General Electric Engines of Lynn, Massachusetts. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale may require the assignment of two contractor representatives in Brazil for a period of up to three years.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

-ends-


FONTE

:wink:

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 8:34 am
por Luiz Padilha
P44 escreveu:
Fala-se em 6 unidades de SH-70 que ja ouvi ser chamado de SH-60R.
Estou buscando para saber ao certo.
Uns dizem que serão ex-US NAVY outros dizem que serão novos.
Confesso que ainda não sei.


Talvez esta noticia ajude (?)...

Imagem

Brazil – S-70B Helicopters and Engines


(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; dated Sept. 27, issued Sept. 28, 2006)



WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Brazil of S-70 helicopters as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $300 million.

The Government of Brazil has requested a possible sale of six (6) S-70B helicopters, 13 T-700-401C engines, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $300 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these helicopters to fulfill its strategic commitments for search and rescue and self-defense within the region. The Brazilian Armed Forces’ possession of an enhanced capability to conduct search and rescue operations, maritime interdiction operations, and provide other types of maritime support reduces requirements for U.S. forces. This procurement also will enable the Brazilian Navy to be interoperable with U.S. forces on routine training exercises and deployments in support of peacekeeping security operations. Brazil plans to use this equipment to augment or replace existing SH-3 helicopters. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be: Sikorsky Aircraft (United Technologies) Corporation of Stratford, Connecticut and General Electric Engines of Lynn, Massachusetts. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale may require the assignment of two contractor representatives in Brazil for a period of up to three years.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

-ends-


FONTE

:wink:


Gostaria de saber a diferença entre o SH-60B e o SH-70B, alguém saberia?
[]'s
Padilha

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 8:40 am
por WalterGaudério
Luiz Padilha escreveu:
P44 escreveu:
Fala-se em 6 unidades de SH-70 que ja ouvi ser chamado de SH-60R.
Estou buscando para saber ao certo.
Uns dizem que serão ex-US NAVY outros dizem que serão novos.
Confesso que ainda não sei.


Talvez esta noticia ajude (?)...

Imagem

Brazil – S-70B Helicopters and Engines


(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; dated Sept. 27, issued Sept. 28, 2006)



WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Brazil of S-70 helicopters as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $300 million.

The Government of Brazil has requested a possible sale of six (6) S-70B helicopters, 13 T-700-401C engines, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $300 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these helicopters to fulfill its strategic commitments for search and rescue and self-defense within the region. The Brazilian Armed Forces’ possession of an enhanced capability to conduct search and rescue operations, maritime interdiction operations, and provide other types of maritime support reduces requirements for U.S. forces. This procurement also will enable the Brazilian Navy to be interoperable with U.S. forces on routine training exercises and deployments in support of peacekeeping security operations. Brazil plans to use this equipment to augment or replace existing SH-3 helicopters. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be: Sikorsky Aircraft (United Technologies) Corporation of Stratford, Connecticut and General Electric Engines of Lynn, Massachusetts. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale may require the assignment of two contractor representatives in Brazil for a period of up to three years.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

-ends-


FONTE

:wink:


Gostaria de saber a diferença entre o SH-60B e o SH-70B, alguém saberia?
[]'s
Padilha


L Padilha bom dia.

A diferença é meramente designação(nomeclatura) militar x designação industrial do fabricante.

O helicóptero de designação militar SH-60 é simplesmente a plataforma aérea desenvolvida e fabricada pela Sikorsk como S-70. S-70 é a plataforma básica, mas a designação militar adotada pelas FAs americanas é SH(S de aeronave de função principal ASW, e H naturalmente servindo para indicar que a aeronave em questão se trata de um helicóptero)

Sds.

Walter

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 8:43 am
por Luiz Padilha
cicloneprojekt escreveu:
Luiz Padilha escreveu:
P44 escreveu:
Fala-se em 6 unidades de SH-70 que ja ouvi ser chamado de SH-60R.
Estou buscando para saber ao certo.
Uns dizem que serão ex-US NAVY outros dizem que serão novos.
Confesso que ainda não sei.


Talvez esta noticia ajude (?)...

Imagem

Brazil – S-70B Helicopters and Engines


(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; dated Sept. 27, issued Sept. 28, 2006)



WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Brazil of S-70 helicopters as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $300 million.

The Government of Brazil has requested a possible sale of six (6) S-70B helicopters, 13 T-700-401C engines, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $300 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in South America.

Brazil needs these helicopters to fulfill its strategic commitments for search and rescue and self-defense within the region. The Brazilian Armed Forces’ possession of an enhanced capability to conduct search and rescue operations, maritime interdiction operations, and provide other types of maritime support reduces requirements for U.S. forces. This procurement also will enable the Brazilian Navy to be interoperable with U.S. forces on routine training exercises and deployments in support of peacekeeping security operations. Brazil plans to use this equipment to augment or replace existing SH-3 helicopters. Brazil will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be: Sikorsky Aircraft (United Technologies) Corporation of Stratford, Connecticut and General Electric Engines of Lynn, Massachusetts. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale may require the assignment of two contractor representatives in Brazil for a period of up to three years.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

-ends-


FONTE

:wink:


Gostaria de saber a diferença entre o SH-60B e o SH-70B, alguém saberia?
[]'s
Padilha


L Padilha bom dia.

A diferença é meramente designação(nomeclatura) militar x designação industrial do fabricante.

O helicóptero de designação militar SH-60 é simplesmente a plataforma aérea desenvolvida e fabricada pela Sikorsk como S-70. S-70 é a plataforma básica, mas a designação militar adotada pelas FAs americanas é SH(S de aeronave de função principal ASW, e H naturalmente servindo para indicar que a aeronave em aquestão se trata de um helicóptero)

Sds.

Walter


Ok Walter. Valeu!
Que venham zero KM pelo menos.

[]'s
Padilha

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 9:49 am
por Rui Elias Maltez
6 helis por 300 milhões? :shock:

Acho caro, apesar de serem helis de combate, e eventualmente estar incluido o armamento.

Só para dar uma ideia, o nosso programa de 12 EH-101 custou cerca de 480 milhões de euros (550 milhões de dólares).

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 11:18 am
por Einsamkeit
Em qual configuraçao, fa numero 1 do estado novo? :twisted:

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 11:28 am
por Rui Elias Maltez
Dos 12 aparelhos foram:

6 para SAR, 4 para CSAR e 2 SIFICAP

Calcula-se que os NH-90 (falou-se em 10 ou 9 unidades a entregar lá para 2010), custem perto de 380/400 milhões de euros.

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 2:44 pm
por A-29
Quem quiser mais informações oficiais sobre o tipo, talvez tenha interesse nesse link:

http://www.sikorsky.com/details/0,9602,CLI1_DIV69_ETI911,00.html

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 4:48 pm
por Carlos Lima
Olá

Pergunta...

O SH-60 seria melhor (ou não) do que um NH-90?

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CB_Lima

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 5:16 pm
por luis F. Silva
Olá

Pergunta...

O SH-60 seria melhor (ou não) do que um NH-90?

Pela lógica, nenhum equipamento com trinta anos é melhor do que um muito mais recente, a não ser que o último seja mesmo mau.
No entanto se tiver uma plataforma de trinta anos com sensores modernos, ela será quase boa. No sentido inverso., se uma plataforma nova for equipada por razões económicas com material antigo, vale tanto como quase nada.
Agora se for comprado o NHF-90 com equipamentos modernos de luta ASW, claro que não tem nada a ver com a versão que o Brasil comprará, e que é a que os EUA deixar que vocês comprem.

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 5:36 pm
por Carlos Lima
Vou mudar a pergunta um pouco então:

O Brasil quer um Helicóptero ASW com capacidade de ataque de Superfície também.

Ao que parece não é esse o caso do EH-101 que Portugal comprou (pois são aparelhos SAR, CSAR e SIFICAP).

Quanto custaria um EH-101 ASW com capacidade ASV também? (provavelmente bem mais caro do que o EH-101 comprado por Portugal, correto?).

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CB_Lima

Enviado: Qua Out 18, 2006 8:13 pm
por luis F. Silva
Vou mudar a pergunta um pouco então:

O Brasil quer um Helicóptero ASW com capacidade de ataque de Superfície também.


Como deve saber, para isso o SH-60 serve tanto para ASW, como para ASuW.
Quando pediu a comparação entre o SH-60 e o NFH eu tentei dizer que depende dos sensores/armamento que se escolher, nunca esquecendo que o NFH é uma plataforma mais moderna, e aqui não pode haver comparação possivel com o EH-101 Merlin, que é um helicóptero pesado, e caríssimo em qualquer versão.

NAVAL

The prime naval missions performed by the NH90 are anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, normally conducted by a crew of 3. If desired, a second console can be installed in the cabin and the crew extended to 4 or 5 persons. Complementary missions are logistic transport, search and rescue, vertical replenishment and special operations.