Marinha do Canadá

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Não..

O Phalanx na ré, como está agora, e um RAM na proa.

Ou 2 Phalanx por fragata.

[LM]

Segundo sei o lançador actual, sem grandes investimentos, pode lançar o ESSM - a minha ideia era só poupar recursos...

Sempre vi referido que o espaço à frente (e o espaço onde está o lançador Sea Sparrow) podiam levar lançadores verticais, graças ao conceito "modular" das VdG.

Já que todos temos direito a sonhar e nem abuso, no meu ponto de "harmonização entre as classes" até queria era "goalkeeper" em todas... mas é sonho:

Goalkeeper is twice as expensive as the Phalanx.
Phalanx can be welded to any section of deck and plugged in, while Goalkeeper requires significant 'deck penetration' and integration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS#Comparison_to_Phalanx

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Também preferia, mas seria mais fácil comprar 2 Phalanx para as KD que três Goalkeeper para as 3 VdG.

Na volta vamos ficar com CIWS diferentes e as KD vêem para Portugal com o que têm, e já nem é nada mau.

Gostaria é que tendo elas o VLS, se investisse em ESSM para as KD.

[P44]

Também preferia, mas seria mais fácil comprar 2 Phalanx para as KD que três Goalkeeper para as 3 VdG.

eLáaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Não dês ideias, EU quero as KD com o Goalkeeper

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Também eu.

Só estou a dizer que se a Armada optasse por uma uniformização de CIWS, o caminho seria esse, já que agora até os Phalanx estão a ser modernizados.

Mas se posivel, até preferia ver os GP em todas.

Pode ser que o futuro LPD tenha os Goalkeeper, talvez 2.

[P44]

Pode ser que o futuro LPD tenha os Goalkeeper, talvez 2.

pode ser que os futuros Goalkeeper tenham LPD....

[Rui Elias Maltez]

És mesm,o pessimista.

P44:

Podes acreditar:

A nossa marinha está na me***, mas vamos ter um Navio Logístico Polivalente, e a gente assume que seja um LPD, mas até pode ter outra configuração.

Espera por finais de 2008 ou inícios de 2009 e verá o início dos trabalhos.

Tão certo quanto se os governos de Barroso/Santana não tivesem caído cedo demais, nos finais do ano passado teriamos na BNL as nossa conhecidas 2 OHP.

[Sintra]

Tão certo quanto se os governos de Barroso/Santana não tivesem caído cedo demais, nos finais do ano passado teriamos na BNL as nossa conhecidas 2 OHP.

LIVRA
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Olha que pena, perdemos dois ferros velhos e os dois governos não eram muito melhores...

[Soufa]

Para mim o ideal seria, colocar por cada MEKO um sistema CIWS+RAM, instalar ESSM e talvez um canhão de 127mm.. Nas Karel, modernizar o sistema de combate,e poderá levar algum CIWS no espaço entre a ponte e o canhão de 76mm?

Seria interessante armar os Lynx com sensores opticos, e misseis do tipo SeaSkua.

[Soufa]

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/victoria/

Uma ideia interessante para um novo AOR, poderia dar-nos capacidade adicional para transporte de tropas.

[luis F. Silva]

Soufa escreveu:

Uma ideia interessante para um novo AOR, poderia dar-nos capacidade adicional para transporte de tropas.

São navios enormes, muito caros de comprar e operar, e não têm capacidade de transporte de tropas. Embora por curtos períodos possa transportar alguns fuzos em condições precárias. Poderia isso sim transportar os 4 EH-101 CSAR.

[Soufa]

Seria o nosso 2 LPD...

[P44]

HMCS Huron Sinking

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A highlight of Exercise Trident Fury will be the sinking of former HMCS Huron in a live fire missile exercise in the West Coast Firing Area, about 100 kilometres off the coast of Vancouver Island in 2,000 metres of water by May 18th. This will be the first operational sinking of a Canadian ship in Canadian waters.
The Tribal-Class destroyer was paid off March 30, 2005, after 34 years of service. Past warships that have come to the end of their service life have been sold for scrap or sunk as artificial reefs.
However, given the operational tempo of the navy in recent years, it has been determined that using Huron’s hulk as a target during a large-scale naval exercise would provide realistic and invaluable operational training for sailors as they prepare to face present day challenges.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=70175




HMCS Huron

[P44]

Canada will upgrade its 12 Halifax-Class Patrol Frigates (above: HMCS Ottawa) between 2010 and 2017. (Canadian Forces photo)

Prime Minister Harper Announces Navy Ship Upgrades; New Equipment for the Navy and New Business for Canadian Contractors


(Source: Government of Canada; issued July 5, 2007)

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia --- Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced new upgrades to the Navy’s Halifax-Class frigates that will improve the Navy’s ability to protect Canadian waters while boosting employment in Canada’s shipbuilding sector.

“New updated equipment will make these ships stronger, safer and better able to do all the work we ask of them,” said Prime Minister Harper. “The result is that more than ever, our Halifax-Class frigates will be giant floating command posts – standing up for Canada at home and abroad.”

During the last 15 years, these frigates have been to the four corners of the world, performing every conceivable mission – from battling international terrorism and fulfilling international security agreements to providing aid to civilians in distress and assisting in search and recovery. The fleet’s most important job – maintaining the safety and security of sovereign Canadian waters – sees the frigates routinely patrol Canada’s three coastlines, protecting our borders from drug and human smugglers, terrorists, illegal fishing and polluters.

“One of the most important upgrades to our frigates will be enhanced command and control centres, giving Canadian vessels the ability to lead operations, not just participate in them,” the Prime Minister added. “All of the work done on the ships will be done in Canada, by Canadian companies, and this is great news for Canadian shipyards, their employees and their suppliers.”

The C$3.1 billion modernization of the Halifax-Class frigates will begin in 2010, with the final ship being completed in 2017.

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[luis F. Silva]

Tories may be considering new submarines, say military sources
2 days ago
OTTAWA - The defence minister's office recently requested a briefing on how long it would take to introduce new submarines - a move that could set the stage for the replacement of the troubled Victoria-class boats, defence sources have told The Canadian Press.

At the same time, a key refit contract involving the compressed-air system aboard HMCS Victoria has been put on hold, an upgrade which left incomplete would mean the warship would not be able to fire torpedoes.

Both actions raise questions about the future of the four glitch-plagued submarines that were purchased from Britain in 1998 under the former Liberal government and have yet to reach full operational status.

In the briefing, which was reportedly delivered by senior officials last week to Peter MacKay's new deputy minister, the government was told it would take six years to bring new submarines completely up to snuff, starting from the moment of contract signing.

A second defence source said a more conservative estimate of the timeline would be up to eight years.

A spokesman for MacKay declined to give details of the briefing.

"The minister has no comment on the substance of briefings, which are often sensitive in nature," said Jay Paxton, the minister's press secretary.

"The minister does view these subs as an important strategic asset for Canada."

The conjecture comes at a time when the Harper government is casting around for ways to bolster the country's sovereignty over the Arctic. The issue of the Far North is expected to figure prominently in next week's throne speech.

The four Victoria-class submarines are incapable of operating under the ice and naval experts have recommended that they be installed with an air independent propulsion system, which would allow for up two weeks submerged operations in the Arctic.

But the refit program for the current submarine fleet has been fraught with delays. A couple of weeks ago, the navy revealed that the upgrades on HMCS Victoria will take almost a year longer than expected.

In addition, the navy last year put off upgrading and repairing fire damage aboard HMCS Chicoutimi until 2010. On its maiden voyage to Canada in October 2004, an electrical fire crippled the boat and left Lieut. Chris Saunders dead.

Almost from the beginning, the $897-million program to buy the 1980s-vintage, mothballed diesel electric boats from the Royal Navy faced intense public scrutiny - especially after a series of mechanical glitches that included leaks, hull dents and rust. Through it all, the Canadian navy has been steadfast, defending the boats as necessary piece of the country's maritime defence strategy.

But getting the submarines up to snuff has been chewing up the largest chunk of the navy's maintenance budget, according to reports released under access to information. And each of the boats will require a mid-life refit in order to keep them operating into the 2025 time frame - a project that was estimated in 2005 to be worth an additional $865 million.

Defence sources said there are questions now about whether the Conservatives are preparing to cut the government's losses and replace the troubled boats sooner, operating the Victoria-class until a new breed of conventional submarine can be acquired.

"You've got wonder to what's going on, especially with all of the emphasis on the Arctic," said one senior source who asked not to be identified.

Defence expert Ken Bowring, a former naval engineer, said it's clear the government is on a fact-finding mission, but it remains to be seen what comes out of it.

"The navy is working hard to get the Victoria-class operational because they've got the boats, they want to do something with them," Bowring, who is a vice-president with the Navy League of Canada.

Liberal Senator Colin Kenny, head of the Senate security and defence committee, said the order time for new submarines is extensive and looking at possible replacement now would make sense.

"I can't see the Victoria submarines being with us for more than a decade," he said. "As long as they maintain this vital capability."

A possible replacement for the troubled British-built boats might be found in Germany. That country has developed a booming export business for its Type 214-Class boats.

South Korea and Greece recently lined up to buy the vessels, which are based on the proven Type 212 design - a boat that is powered by an air independent propulsion system much the same as engineers recommended for the Victoria class