Marinha da Federação Russa

[Guillermo Muñoz]

Faz tempo que não ria tanto!!!

[FoxHound]

DCNS começa a construir o primeiro "Mistral" para a Rússia.
O estaleiro francês DCNS (Direction des Constructions Navales) recebeu um adiamento de Moscou correspondente a um contrato de US$ 1.2 bilhão e começará a construir o primeiro porta-helicópteros da classe “Mistral” para a Armada Russa, revelou o serviço de imprensa do estaleiro DNCS nessa quarta-feira.

França e Rússia assinaram em junho passado um contrato para a construção de dois porta-helicópteros franceses da classe Mistral. O contrato inclui a transferência de tecnologia sensível, para que a Rússia possa construir em seus estaleiros mais dois navios desse tipo.

“O pagamento adiantado foi recebido a algumas semanas e o trabalho no primeiro navio está em andamento”, disse o serviço de imprensa do estaleiro francês. “O primeiro navio será entregue em 2014 e o segundo em 2015.”

A construção do segundo navio deverá começar em alguns meses e os trabalhos procederão de modo simultâneo com os trabalhos no primeiro porta-helicópteros, mas isso dependerá de quando o pagamento integral será feito para que o primeiro navio seja feito”, disse uma fonte da DCNS.

O porta-helicópteros Mistral desloca 21 toneladas, mede 210 metros de comprimento e pode se deslocar a uma velocidade de 18 nós. Sua autonomia de até 10,800 km.

O navio pode operar até seis helicópteros, seis lanchas de desembarque e dois hovercraft, sem contar que pode abrigar um batalhão de tanques de combate Leclerc ou outros 70 viaturas blindadas.

Sua tripulação costa de 160 homens e pode transportar outros 450 homens.

Vários países vizinhos à Rússia demonstraram um certo desconforto com essa aquisição russa, entre eles Suécia, Dinamarca e de uma forma mais veemente Geórgia e Lituânia, curiosamente dois ex-satélites soviéticos.

Os militares russos tem planos de usarem os Mistral nas Frotas do Norte e do Pacifico.

Vários analistas militares russos e empresas russas questionam o sentido financeiro e militar da compra, e alguns acreditam que a Rússia simplesmente quer ter acesso à avançada tecnologia naval francesa, que poderia ser usada no futuro em eventuais conflitos com a OTAN e seus aliados.
http://codinomeinformante.blogspot.com/

[FoxTroop]

O porta-helicópteros Mistral desloca 21 toneladas, mede 210 metros de comprimento e pode se deslocar a uma velocidade de 18 nós. Sua autonomia de até 10,800 km.

21 toneladas?!!!!! Hóstia...... Deve ser feito de uma liga hiper-mega-super especial....... tipo papel fino......

[P44]

o tipo que escreveu isso era russo, logo estava bêbado...

[tflash]

Da para levar mil no KC 390 de 20.000 toneladas! Será que o jornalista foi o mesmo?

[Luís Henrique]

[FoxTroop]

o tipo que escreveu isso era russo, logo estava bêbado...

Está explicado, os russos comuno-bêbados, classificam os navios pela tonelagem de vodka que levam de reserva nos depósitos para a tripulação e o alcance operacional pelo tempo que essa vodka dura até ficarem a seco

[tflash]

Opá! arranjei uma maneira de destruir um Kirov. Apontar para o depósito de Vodka. O navio imobiliza por "avaria" dos marinheiros!

(isto dito por um cidadão do único país do mundo que tem um depósito especifico para vinho nos navios de guerra!)

[Brasileiro]

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economi ... rigates-0/

State-of-the-art frigates too expensive for Russia
20.09.2011

Project 22350 Frigates of that are being built at the "Northern Shipyard" in St. Petersburg turned to be another naval protracted project. Unavailability of a number of key systems of new ships was the main reason for delaying the construction. The main frigate fleet will be commissioned no earlier than in 2012, i.e. six years after the commencement, and this deadline may also move.?The deadline of commissioning Project 22350 frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" is constantly postponed, and the price of the project is growing, told "Izvestia" a source at the Ministry of Defense.? During commencement of construction of this ship in 2006, it was assumed that the lead ship will be commissioned in

2009, and its price will be approximately 7 billion rubles. Then the deadline moved up to 2012, and the price had risen to 18 billion. The deadline may still move. Such delays in construction are due to the difficulties in developing new equipment and weapons, the source told "Izvestia".


Military expert and editor of "National Defense" Igor Korotchenko believes that the cause of the protracted project is the difficulty in developing new electronic equipment and air defense systems, as well as ensuring compatibility of all spacecraft systems.?"This is a new project, and in addition to the difficulties with its equipment, especially electronic, as well as fine-tuning a new air defense system "Polyment-Redoute," problems arose with linking all spacecraft systems in a single complex. The industry did not have to solve such problems since the early 1990's, and this was the main reason for the delay," said Korotchenko.

In 2005-2006 it was planned that by 2020 the fleet will have 15 new generation frigates, but the delayed construction made the Ministry of Defense look for alternative solutions. The solution was a successful project 11356?. The industry is capable of completing it because it has already fulfilled two Indian orders.

Today the fleet already ordered six of these frigates, which will be commissioned before 2016, and the order of three more units is possible. The number of commissioned frigates of Project 22350 was reduced to six units, and they must enter service by 2018.?The construction of new frigates was also delayed by erratic funding, especially in the first stage, according to a source of "Izvestia" in the military-industrial complex.?"In fact, the funding for the project in the first three years was almost absent, and then was received intermittently. In addition, in the last two years the situation was complicated by administrative problems associated with the change of the owner of "Northern Shipyard," the source said.

Financial and administrative problems were the main reason for delaying the construction and price growth, says military expert, Captain of 1st Rank Konstantin Sivkov.?"The completion term would have been much shorter if the funding was stable, and the price would be lower by at least one-third. Organizational and technical problems have only exacerbated the situation," he said.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economi ... rigates-0/

Enfim, para quem não lê inglês, basicamente os russos estão tendo problemas com a nova classe de fragatas Admiral Gurshkov. Tanto por problemas na própria administração da empresa projetista/fabricante quanto pelo problema de simplesmente não terem inovado em nada nos últimos 20 anos, ou seja, perderam o contato com o ato de desenvolver algo moderno e por isso agora sofrem em fazer uma eletrônica no estado da arte para os navios.
Quantificando: O número de Ad. Gurshkov previsto cairá para 6 navios até 2018.
A solução encontrada foi a de se encomendar fragatas semelhantes às Talwar vendidas à Índia, já encomendaram 6 com a opção de mais 3 mais pra frente.
É isso.



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[P44]

Russia to refit Admiral Nakhimov nuclear cruiser after 2012



The overhaul of mothballed Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered cruiser will start after 2012 with the focus on refitting the ship with advanced weaponry and electronics, the Sevmash shipyard said.

The Admiral Nakhimov (former Kalinin) Kirov class cruiser was commissioned in 1988 and mothballed in 1999. It has been docked at the Sevmash shipyard in the city of Severodvinsk in northern Russia, undergoing repairs since 2005.

“During the talks with the Russian Defense Ministry, we have concluded that it would be senseless to continue the repairs without determining the final variant of the modernization, so the repair work has been suspended [until after 2012],” Sevmash General Director Andrei Dyachkov said on Friday in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

Dyachkov said that the main changes during the overhaul will be applied to cruiser’s armaments as the SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles – the ship’s current main weaponry – have become outdated.

The SS-N-19s will be replaced with P-800 Yakhont (SS-N-26) anti-ship cruise missiles. The cruiser will also receive advanced air defense missile systems based on the land-based S-400 Triumf, and new point-defense systems.

Russia built four Kirov class nuclear-powered cruisers in 1974-1998. One of them, the Pyotr Veliky, is still in active service as the flagship of the Northern Fleet.

Several sources in the Russian military and defense industry earlier said that the Russian Defense Ministry was planning to refit the Admiral Nakhimov, Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov missile cruisers by 2020 in a major boost for the Russian Navy's combat strength.

Dyachkov said on Friday the fate of the Admiral Ushakov, which has been docked at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk, has not been determined.

The Kirov class main weapons in current configuration include 20 SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles, designed to engage large surface targets, and air defense is provided by 12 SA-N-6 Grumble launchers with 96 missiles and two SA-N-4 Gecko with 40 missiles.

After the refit, the Kirov class cruisers will most likely be deployed with Russia's Northern and Pacific fleets as part of large task forces set up to carry out a variety of combat missions - from "hunting" the adversary's aircraft carriers and submarines to massive land assaults.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111203/169272925.html

do keypublishings:

Recent photo of Nakhimov, certain elements of the ship have obviously been remove (SAM guidance bulbs). Apparently Sevmash got a 4 billion rouble contract for a "limited technical modernization" recently.

[P44]

"Dmitry Donskoi" will remain on the Russian Navy
Towing nuclear submarine "Dmitry Donskoi" Project 941 "Akula", despite the completion of testing an intercontinental ballistic missile sea-based P-30 "Bulava" on this ship will remain at the Russian Navy. In an interview with RIA Novosti said company CEO Severodvinsk "Sevmash" Andrew Djachkov. According to him, the submarine will be assigned to the White Sea naval base, and its main task will be to ensure testing of new submarines.

"There are a number of tasks that need to perform the tests - work 'boat on a boat." These works will provide' Dmitri Donskoi '. This is a test sonar, weapons testing - in this mode, the second boat is needed for testing. Previously, for this purpose, usually come from the Northern Fleet submarine, apart from the alert, "- said Djachkov. Previously reported that the "Dmitry Donskoy" is scheduled to retire and dispose of in 2014.

The submarines of Project 941 "Akula", designed by St. Petersburg Design Bureau "Rubin", built in the USSR in 1976-1989, respectively. These ships are capable of developing underwater speed of 25 knots and dive to a depth of 500 meters. With a length of 172.8 meters and a width of 23.3 meters, "Sharks" have a submarine with a displacement of 48,000 tons. Endurance Submarine is 180 days. The crew "Sharks," included 160 people, including 52 officers. Currently, the submarine project are the largest submarines in the world.

"Dmitry Donskoy" in 2002 was re-equipment of the project 941UM, in particular, the submarine is one of the missile silos has been redesigned for launch SLBM "Bulava". On board the ship, entered service in 1976, a total of 14 runs were produced promising ballistic missile seven of which were unsuccessful.

Meanwhile, the fate of two other submarines of Project 941 - "Archangel" and "Severstal" - is still unsolved. Currently, ships are in port of Severodvinsk, and they were transferred to the reserve because of a lack of ammunition, "Severstal" is at the berth since 2004, and "Archangel" - from 2006. According Diachkova, the Russian Defense Ministry has not taken concrete action on these ships.

tradução google de
http://lenta.ru/news/2011/12/02/shark/

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Russia to build hulls for 2 Mistral-class warships



Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Baltiisky Zavod shipyard signed a 2.5 billion ruble ($80 million) contract on Friday to build hulls for the third and fourth French Mistral-class warships for the Russian Navy.

The signing ceremony took place in the presence of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

French shipbuilder DCNS said on Wednesday it had received advance payment from Moscow under a $1.2-billion contract and would start the construction of the first warship for the Russian Navy.

Russian defense officials previously said Russia would account for 80% of labor inputs in building the third and fourth warships.

The two countries signed a contract in June on two French-built Mistral class amphibious assault ships including the transfer of sensitive technology.

The first ship will be delivered in 2014 and the second in 2015.

Construction of the second ship should start in several months and will proceed simultaneously with the first, but will depend on when the full payment for the first ship is made, a DCNS source said.

A Mistral-class ship is capable of carrying 16 helicopters, four landing vessels, 70 armored vehicles, and 450 personnel.

A number of Russia's neighbors have expressed concern over the deal, in particular Georgia and Lithuania.

The Russian military has said it plans to use Mistral ships in its Northern and Pacific fleets.

Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20111202/169255665.html

[FoxTroop]

Realmente.... Uma Armada com 4 Kirov modernizados a servir de núcleos de esquadra, 4 Mistral, bem enquadrados por escoltas capazes e uma força de submarinos........ Osso muito duro de roer, muito duro mesmo e com capacidade de projecção de força apenas superada pela USN

[Luís Henrique]

A substituição do P-700 Granit para o Yakhont sugere algumas ponderações:

A classe Kirov leva 20 Granit.
Quantos Yakhont levariam no lugar dos 20 Granit???

Em termos de diâmetro, no lugar de 20 Granit da para levar 24 Uakhont.

Em termos de PESO, no lugar de 20 Granit da para levar mais de 46 Yakhont.

O Yakhont também é 1,1m menor no comprimento.

E para quem não sabe foi a BASE para o projeto conjunto com a Índia, o Brahmos.

O Yakhont pesa cerca de 3 T, possui velocidade de cerca de 3.000 km/h e alcance de cerca de 300 km.
Junto com o S-400 (96 mísseis ) será um SENHOR navio de guerra.

[Andre Correa]

Realmente.... Uma Armada com 4 Kirov modernizados a servir de núcleos de esquadra, 4 Mistral, bem enquadrados por escoltas capazes e uma força de submarinos........ Osso muito duro de roer, muito duro mesmo e com capacidade de projecção de força apenas superada pela USN

O mais difícil é $$$ para manter tudo isso, mas os caças e exército modernizado... era muito mais fácil na época da URSS...

[FoxTroop]

Realmente.... Uma Armada com 4 Kirov modernizados a servir de núcleos de esquadra, 4 Mistral, bem enquadrados por escoltas capazes e uma força de submarinos........ Osso muito duro de roer, muito duro mesmo e com capacidade de projecção de força apenas superada pela USN

O mais difícil é $$$ para manter tudo isso, mas os caças e exército modernizado... era muito mais fácil na época da URSS...

Certamente que sim, mas não creio que os $$$$ sejam um problema assim tão grande para uma força desse tamanho. Em termos de custos de operação e manutenção, um único CVN americano deve andar pelo dos 4 Kirov.