Olha só o brinquedinho novo dos chilenos!!!
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 3:08 pm
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Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 3:12 pm
Logicamente que é melhor que os Nossos, mais ja começaram comprando errado, vieram sem AIP, que ja virou quase Regra atualmente, Agora o S-80 da Espanha vai ser espetacular, vai ter 2.800t e talvez Tomahawk.
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 3:26 pm
mais ja começaram comprando errado, vieram sem AIP, que ja virou quase Regra atualmente,
El Scorpene está hecho de fábrica para poder fácilmente agregar un AIP cundo sea necesario.
Recordemos que el AIP solo disminuye la indiscreción (veces que debo usar snorkel), pero no da mas autonomía y funciona a 4 millas por hora, es decir, en nuestra Sudamérica NO SE JUSTIFICA AUN.....
Agora o S-80 da Espanha vai ser espetacular, vai ter 2.800t e talvez Tomahawk
Claro, si son un desarrollo sobre base Scorpene...
Saludos cordiales,
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 7:15 pm
Coisa de outro mundo... comparando com o Tupi que passou domingo no Datena...
Abraços!
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 7:18 pm
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 7:30 pm
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile ... pene_1.htm
Notas Estratégicas - Strategic Notes
Defesanet 04 Outubro 2005
El Mostrador 03 Outubro 2005
Pagarán a Armada por submarinos
Santiago, Chile - 3 oct 2005 - La Armada de Chile está feliz con la próxima llegada del SS O"Higgins, el primero de sus nuevos submarinos Tipo Scorpene, que recibió oficialmente el pasado 9 de septiembre. Sin embargo, tiene más razones para sonreír, ya que la entidad naval de la India decidió adquirir seis modelos de similares características al comprado por nuestro país a la alianza franco-española formada por los astilleros DCN e Izar.
Con la decisión de la India, los pedidos de submarinos Tipo Scorpene se elevan a 10, incluyendo las dos naves en proceso de entrega a Chile y otras dos en proceso de construcción para Malasia en Francia. Esto es un claro reflejo del interés generado por el exitoso diseño de estos sumergibles, que están desplazando a los submarinos alemanes de los tipos 209/212/214 en las preferencias de las marinas del mundo.
Pero los motivos para la felicidad de la Armada por las nuevas compras también son de orden financiero, ya que por cada unidad que sea adquirida por la Marina de cualquier otro país, la institución naval recibirá el pago de un royalty o regalía. Fuentes de la fuerza naval confirmaron que efectivamente existe este pago cada vez que un país distinto a Chile, Francia o España opte por un sumergible del Tipo Scorpene.
Según las fuentes, dicha obligación quedó estipulada en el contrato firmado en 1997 con los astilleros franceses y españoles responsables del diseño y construcción de los navios, pero no informaron el monto que reciben por cada sumergible que es comprado por el resto de los países.
Expertos de defensa confidenciaron a El Mostrador que la Armada percibirá tres millones de dólares por cada unidad que se compre y, aunque ese dinero no llegará propiamente a la entidad naval sino que amortiguará la deuda, es visto por los analistas "como una buena forma de ahorro".
Chile recibirá alrededor de 3 millones de US$ por cada submarino Scorpene vendido a terceros países por conceptos de Royalties de sistemas nuevos pagados por Chile y aportes en su tecnología (sistema de Mando y Control SUBTIC
Defesa @ Net
Chile recibe el primer submarino convencional nueva generación - setembro 2005 http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile ... orpene.htm
MoD Conclui Venda de Fragatas Type 23 ao Chile - setembro 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rn.htm
MoD Concludes Sale of Type 23 Frigates to Chile - setembro 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rn_e.htm
ROLLS-ROYCE SIGNS 20-YEAR CHILEAN NAVY SERVICE ORDERS - junho 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rr_e.htm
ROLLS-ROYCE ASSINA CONTRATO de 20 ANOS com A ARMADA CHILENA - junho 2005 http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rr.htm
Fragatas Holandesas para a Marinha Chilena
http://www.defesanet.com.br/noticia/chilefragatas/
“Si Chile se arma puede parar esta crisis”
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/prieto_vial.htm
Armaris at LAAD 2005 - Abril 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/laad2005/03 ... aris_e.htm
Armaris na LAAD 2005 - Abril 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/laad2005/03 ... aris_b.htm
Notas Estratégicas - Strategic Notes
Defesanet 04 Outubro 2005
El Mostrador 03 Outubro 2005
Pagarán a Armada por submarinos
Santiago, Chile - 3 oct 2005 - La Armada de Chile está feliz con la próxima llegada del SS O"Higgins, el primero de sus nuevos submarinos Tipo Scorpene, que recibió oficialmente el pasado 9 de septiembre. Sin embargo, tiene más razones para sonreír, ya que la entidad naval de la India decidió adquirir seis modelos de similares características al comprado por nuestro país a la alianza franco-española formada por los astilleros DCN e Izar.
Con la decisión de la India, los pedidos de submarinos Tipo Scorpene se elevan a 10, incluyendo las dos naves en proceso de entrega a Chile y otras dos en proceso de construcción para Malasia en Francia. Esto es un claro reflejo del interés generado por el exitoso diseño de estos sumergibles, que están desplazando a los submarinos alemanes de los tipos 209/212/214 en las preferencias de las marinas del mundo.
Pero los motivos para la felicidad de la Armada por las nuevas compras también son de orden financiero, ya que por cada unidad que sea adquirida por la Marina de cualquier otro país, la institución naval recibirá el pago de un royalty o regalía. Fuentes de la fuerza naval confirmaron que efectivamente existe este pago cada vez que un país distinto a Chile, Francia o España opte por un sumergible del Tipo Scorpene.
Según las fuentes, dicha obligación quedó estipulada en el contrato firmado en 1997 con los astilleros franceses y españoles responsables del diseño y construcción de los navios, pero no informaron el monto que reciben por cada sumergible que es comprado por el resto de los países.
Expertos de defensa confidenciaron a El Mostrador que la Armada percibirá tres millones de dólares por cada unidad que se compre y, aunque ese dinero no llegará propiamente a la entidad naval sino que amortiguará la deuda, es visto por los analistas "como una buena forma de ahorro".
Chile recibirá alrededor de 3 millones de US$ por cada submarino Scorpene vendido a terceros países por conceptos de Royalties de sistemas nuevos pagados por Chile y aportes en su tecnología (sistema de Mando y Control SUBTIC
Defesa @ Net
Chile recibe el primer submarino convencional nueva generación - setembro 2005 http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile ... orpene.htm
MoD Conclui Venda de Fragatas Type 23 ao Chile - setembro 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rn.htm
MoD Concludes Sale of Type 23 Frigates to Chile - setembro 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rn_e.htm
ROLLS-ROYCE SIGNS 20-YEAR CHILEAN NAVY SERVICE ORDERS - junho 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rr_e.htm
ROLLS-ROYCE ASSINA CONTRATO de 20 ANOS com A ARMADA CHILENA - junho 2005 http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/chile_armada_rr.htm
Fragatas Holandesas para a Marinha Chilena
http://www.defesanet.com.br/noticia/chilefragatas/
“Si Chile se arma puede parar esta crisis”
http://www.defesanet.com.br/notas/prieto_vial.htm
Armaris at LAAD 2005 - Abril 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/laad2005/03 ... aris_e.htm
Armaris na LAAD 2005 - Abril 2005
http://www.defesanet.com.br/laad2005/03 ... aris_b.htm
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 7:50 pm
Lauro,
Los displeis y armarios que muestras ¿son de los Tupis...?, creo haberlos visto como parte del SICONTA de las Niteroi....!!!.
La primera noticia que pones ya la avía puesto en otro topic del Scorpene. Ahora los Scorpene cuestan 24 millones menos.....
Otro dato interesante, el sistema de mando y control de los Scorpene (Chile, Malacia e India) SUBTIC fue desarrollado en conjunto por Underwater Defense Systems International (UDSI) de Francia y SISDEF de Chile.
http://www.sisdef.cl/novedad03.htm
Respecto al artículo de Daniel Prieto Vial, por favor no lo tomen en cuenta, es un tipo muy desinformado que ha escrito libros y hace comentarios que dan vergüenza...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ ... orpene.jpg
BELA FOTO - Edit - mod - margens
Saludos cordiales,
Los displeis y armarios que muestras ¿son de los Tupis...?, creo haberlos visto como parte del SICONTA de las Niteroi....!!!.
La primera noticia que pones ya la avía puesto en otro topic del Scorpene. Ahora los Scorpene cuestan 24 millones menos.....
Otro dato interesante, el sistema de mando y control de los Scorpene (Chile, Malacia e India) SUBTIC fue desarrollado en conjunto por Underwater Defense Systems International (UDSI) de Francia y SISDEF de Chile.
http://www.sisdef.cl/novedad03.htm
Respecto al artículo de Daniel Prieto Vial, por favor no lo tomen en cuenta, es un tipo muy desinformado que ha escrito libros y hace comentarios que dan vergüenza...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ ... orpene.jpg
BELA FOTO - Edit - mod - margens
Saludos cordiales,
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 7:58 pm
Degan escreveu:L
Los displeis y armarios que muestras ¿son de los Tupis...?, creo haberlos visto como parte del SICONTA de las Niteroi....!!!.
Fala Degan,
São parecidos com os do Tikuna.
Respecto al artículo de Daniel Prieto Vial, por favor no lo tomen en cuenta, es un tipo muy desinformado que ha escrito libros y hace comentarios que dan vergüenza...
Deu para perceber mesmo
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 8:20 pm
Para los Scorpene, Chile compro el Torpedo BlackShark (nuestra versión del MK-48 de Brasil).
An exerpt from Janes on the A184/Blackshark
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In the late 1980s, the A184 was trialled for the US Navy's low-cost Anti-Surface Warfare Torpedo (ASuWT) programme. Although the trials were successfully concluded, the US Navy decided not to proceed with the programme.
In 1998, WASS revealed it was developing an upgraded version of A184 for the Italian Navy with the objectives of improving passive and active acquisition ranges by factors of 300 and 200 per cent respectively, increasing speed by 150 per cent and endurance by 200 per cent. The weapon was originally designated A184 Advanced, although by February 1999 this weapon had been renamed Black Shark. This weapon features a new seeker, which has been under test since the summer of 1998, and which was selected by Chile for its new 'Scorpene' class submarines which are scheduled to enter service in 2004. Sea trials of the weapon are scheduled for 2003 and submarine launches in the following year.
At Euronaval 2000, WASS and France's DCN International announced they would combine development, production and marketing of a new heavyweight torpedo based upon Black Shark having signed an industrial co-operative agreement in July 2000. This has received the provisional designation Black Shark/IF 21 (Italy-France, 21st Century). Sub-systems have been tested since 2000 and a complete prototype is scheduled to begin tests in 2003 with production beginning in 2004.
Description
The A184 is a dual-purpose (surface vessels and submarines) torpedo which, externally, is a long slim cylinder with rounded nose, four rectangular fins and exposed contra-rotating propellers.
Internally, the digital SEPA AG 67 active and passive mode seeker is in the nose. This has two semi-circular electro-acoustic transducer arrays, one vertical and the other horizontal. The Alenia guidance unit calculates the target's exact location. Behind it is the 250 kg HBX warhead with magnetic influence and impact fuzes. The centre of the torpedo contains the silver-zinc oxide batteries. The rear third of the weapon contains the electronic guidance package, the gyroscope and guidance wire dispenser and the 93 kW electric contra-rotating motor driving skewed direct-drive propellers with seven and six blades. The weapon is capable of two speeds: 24 and 36 kt.
The A184 may be launched from swim-out or water-pulse submarine torpedo tubes and it may also be launched from the B 516 torpedo tubes (See B 515/ILAS 3 and B 516 entry in Weapon Handling and Launching Systems section).
Commands carried by the guidance wires include: course, depth, acoustic mode (active, passive and combined), enabling range, stratum allowed, speed, impact and influence fuze setting and torpedo stop. Replies from the weapon include: course, distance, depth, acoustic mode, speed and other data on interrogation. The fire-control system displays the tactical scenario, acquiring data from onboard sensors and allows the underwater weapon selection, check presetting, start and guidance against the designated targets. The fire-control system is modular, each module capable of being used independently in case of failure in the others.
The latest production version is Mod 3 with the improved torpedo sonar (TOSO) which incorporates the Intel 486 processor to permit operations in a multi-target situation with strong reverberation environment and despite the use of counter-measures. TOSO, which operates in the 30 kHz range, also provides the Mod 3 with both a wake-homing and a re-attack capability.
DCN and WASS are developing Black Shark (formerly A184 Advanced) with the Astra seeker and fibre-optic wire guidance. The new ASTRA (Advanced Sonar Transmitting and Receiving Architecture) seeker features a flat planar array and for longer ranges can operate at 15 kHz. Signal and data processing will include spatial and frequency filtering, echo elongation, angular extension and spatial coherence analysis together with DEMON analysis. These parts and the afterbody will be produced by WASS. The brushless drive motor will permit speed changes in 1 kt increments and will provide a higher maximum speed. improved range and less radiated noise, power being provided by Aluminium-Silver Oxide batteries, exploiting technology of the MU 90 Impact (qv). French sources suggest that lithium-ion module batteries might be considered for future torpedo programmes which might include IF 21. The motor section together with warhead and fuze system will be produced by DCN.
At the Underwater Defence Technology conference in Hamburg in June 2001, Whitehead representatives suggested that heavyweight torpedoes could be used to extend sensor ranges but this would require better, lower speed control. They suggested this might be achieved by adapting the vertical control surfaces and improving the control software. This too might also be applied to IF 21.
Some 500 A184 torpedoes have been produced and the weapon is still being marketed but it is in service with only two customers. Export sales of the weapon probably total about 100 weapons with an estimated Italian requirement for about 100. In late 2002 the manufacturers were offering the weapon to the French and Greek. Peru ordered A184 torpedoes but the contract encountered problems and none were delivered.
Specifications
Diameter/Caliber: 533mm 20.98-in
Max Range: 50 km 27 nm
Max Speed: 25.7
Saludos cordiales,
An exerpt from Janes on the A184/Blackshark
------------------------------------------
In the late 1980s, the A184 was trialled for the US Navy's low-cost Anti-Surface Warfare Torpedo (ASuWT) programme. Although the trials were successfully concluded, the US Navy decided not to proceed with the programme.
In 1998, WASS revealed it was developing an upgraded version of A184 for the Italian Navy with the objectives of improving passive and active acquisition ranges by factors of 300 and 200 per cent respectively, increasing speed by 150 per cent and endurance by 200 per cent. The weapon was originally designated A184 Advanced, although by February 1999 this weapon had been renamed Black Shark. This weapon features a new seeker, which has been under test since the summer of 1998, and which was selected by Chile for its new 'Scorpene' class submarines which are scheduled to enter service in 2004. Sea trials of the weapon are scheduled for 2003 and submarine launches in the following year.
At Euronaval 2000, WASS and France's DCN International announced they would combine development, production and marketing of a new heavyweight torpedo based upon Black Shark having signed an industrial co-operative agreement in July 2000. This has received the provisional designation Black Shark/IF 21 (Italy-France, 21st Century). Sub-systems have been tested since 2000 and a complete prototype is scheduled to begin tests in 2003 with production beginning in 2004.
Description
The A184 is a dual-purpose (surface vessels and submarines) torpedo which, externally, is a long slim cylinder with rounded nose, four rectangular fins and exposed contra-rotating propellers.
Internally, the digital SEPA AG 67 active and passive mode seeker is in the nose. This has two semi-circular electro-acoustic transducer arrays, one vertical and the other horizontal. The Alenia guidance unit calculates the target's exact location. Behind it is the 250 kg HBX warhead with magnetic influence and impact fuzes. The centre of the torpedo contains the silver-zinc oxide batteries. The rear third of the weapon contains the electronic guidance package, the gyroscope and guidance wire dispenser and the 93 kW electric contra-rotating motor driving skewed direct-drive propellers with seven and six blades. The weapon is capable of two speeds: 24 and 36 kt.
The A184 may be launched from swim-out or water-pulse submarine torpedo tubes and it may also be launched from the B 516 torpedo tubes (See B 515/ILAS 3 and B 516 entry in Weapon Handling and Launching Systems section).
Commands carried by the guidance wires include: course, depth, acoustic mode (active, passive and combined), enabling range, stratum allowed, speed, impact and influence fuze setting and torpedo stop. Replies from the weapon include: course, distance, depth, acoustic mode, speed and other data on interrogation. The fire-control system displays the tactical scenario, acquiring data from onboard sensors and allows the underwater weapon selection, check presetting, start and guidance against the designated targets. The fire-control system is modular, each module capable of being used independently in case of failure in the others.
The latest production version is Mod 3 with the improved torpedo sonar (TOSO) which incorporates the Intel 486 processor to permit operations in a multi-target situation with strong reverberation environment and despite the use of counter-measures. TOSO, which operates in the 30 kHz range, also provides the Mod 3 with both a wake-homing and a re-attack capability.
DCN and WASS are developing Black Shark (formerly A184 Advanced) with the Astra seeker and fibre-optic wire guidance. The new ASTRA (Advanced Sonar Transmitting and Receiving Architecture) seeker features a flat planar array and for longer ranges can operate at 15 kHz. Signal and data processing will include spatial and frequency filtering, echo elongation, angular extension and spatial coherence analysis together with DEMON analysis. These parts and the afterbody will be produced by WASS. The brushless drive motor will permit speed changes in 1 kt increments and will provide a higher maximum speed. improved range and less radiated noise, power being provided by Aluminium-Silver Oxide batteries, exploiting technology of the MU 90 Impact (qv). French sources suggest that lithium-ion module batteries might be considered for future torpedo programmes which might include IF 21. The motor section together with warhead and fuze system will be produced by DCN.
At the Underwater Defence Technology conference in Hamburg in June 2001, Whitehead representatives suggested that heavyweight torpedoes could be used to extend sensor ranges but this would require better, lower speed control. They suggested this might be achieved by adapting the vertical control surfaces and improving the control software. This too might also be applied to IF 21.
Some 500 A184 torpedoes have been produced and the weapon is still being marketed but it is in service with only two customers. Export sales of the weapon probably total about 100 weapons with an estimated Italian requirement for about 100. In late 2002 the manufacturers were offering the weapon to the French and Greek. Peru ordered A184 torpedoes but the contract encountered problems and none were delivered.
Specifications
Diameter/Caliber: 533mm 20.98-in
Max Range: 50 km 27 nm
Max Speed: 25.7
Saludos cordiales,
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 8:23 pm
Degan escreveu:Para los Scorpene, Chile compro el Torpedo BlackShark (nuestra versión del MK-48 de Brasil).
Saludos cordiales,
Os BlackShark são inferiores aos MK-48 Mod.6 .
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 8:26 pm
[/quote]Os BlackShark são inferiores aos MK-48 Mod.6 .
No entiendo, tu afirmas que es así o entendiste eso de mi ultimo post...???
Saludos cordiales,
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 8:44 pm
Degan escreveu:No entiendo, tu afirmas que es así o entendiste eso de mi ultimo post...???
Saludos cordiales
Pelo que entendi ele disse que os nossos MK48 são melhores que os seus BlackShark.
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 9:11 pm
Lauro Melo escreveu:
Er... essas não seriam imagens da Niteroi?
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 9:13 pm
Fala Degan,
São parecidos com os do Tikuna.
If foi mal não tinha lido!
Enviado: Ter Out 04, 2005 9:44 pm
Bolovo escreveu:Degan escreveu:No entiendo, tu afirmas que es así o entendiste eso de mi ultimo post...???
Saludos cordiales
Pelo que entendi ele disse que os nossos MK48 são melhores que os seus BlackShark.
Bovolo,eu sei que todo mundo está otimista,mas dizer "os nossos MK-48", agente ainda nem comprou, mas eu acredito que seja melhor ,porque ele seria tal falado bem descrito na rede,e ele tem pelo menos duas décadas de meia de evolução.VALEU