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NettoBR escreveu:

NovaTO escreveu:O problema que eu vejo é que a Austrália está pagando menos por um heli bem mais capaz e moderno. E isso dentro de um programa bem semelhante ao do EC-725 no Brasil (Filial da Eurocopter montando os helis por lá, com participação de indústrias locais nos componentes).

A Austrália não recebe incentivos como "aliado" da Otan por causa da Inglaterra?

NettoBR escreveu:A China realmente é um ótimo incentivo para se manter bem equipado, mas a seriedade que os australianos levam com as forças armadas é um traço cultural que vem desde o Império Britânico.

Eu não tenho dúvidas que eles recebem um bom incentivo da Otan e dos EUA para se manterem assim. Naqueles lados, um aliado com laços históricos e culturais vale muito a pena manter.

Sem falar que o PIB per capita da Austrália é de $65.000/hab. Dinheiro para investimento é o que não falta.

Eurocopter Gives Australia Free NH90 Chopper in Delay Accord
May 9, 2013 10:34 AM GMT-0300

European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co.’S Eurocopter (EAD) unit, the world’s largest helicopter maker, will provide Australia with an extra NH90 model after the program fell three years behind plan.
Australian Aerospace, Eurocopter’s local arm, will deliver a 47th MRH90 multi-role version for free, the country’s defense ministry said in a statement today, adding that the agreement will help put the program “back on a positive footing.”

Australia ordered the MRH90 in 2005 and 2006 to replace Bell Helicopter UH-1 and Sikorsky UH-60 troop transports and AgustaWestland Sea King maritime machines. A series of glitches including component failures on the RTM322 engine from Safran SA (SAF) and Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc (RR/) delayed completion of the contract.

“Australia is a relatively harsh environment in which to operate helicopters and the MRH90 has experienced some teething problems,” the Department of Defence said in an e-mailed response to questions.
Negotiations leading to today’s settlement were held under Australia’s Projects of Concern framework, and could lead the MRH90 program to be removed from the name-and-shame list by the year’s end, the government said. The additional helicopter will be used for training by army and navy technical personnel.

Australia has received 19 MRH90s and will take six to seven per year through late 2017, the ministry said. The helicopter is expected to reach its initial operational status with the navy sometime in the middle of this year, it said.
Marignane, France-based Eurocopter, which is wholly owned by European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., said it welcomes the breakthrough. The company’s Australian Aerospace unit assembles the MRH90 at a plant in Brisbane, Queensland.

Modifications being introduced to the helicopters included a stronger cabin floor, better protection of windscreen and engines, improving seats and the cargo hook, the ministry said.
Australia awarded a contract for 24 navy helicopters to the MH-60R made by United Technologies Corp. (UTX)’s Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) in 2011 after the MRH90 came under scrutiny.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-0 ... delay.html

NettoBR escreveu:O Brasil é só mais 1 cliente, não é parceiro estratégico de nenhum desses países fornecedores, a Austrália sim.
É só analisar o histórico de cooperação militar e a posição geopolítica dos 2 para ver quem tem mais vantagens e prioridades na área da defesa.


E parece que nem tudo são rosas, e problemas não são exclusividade do EC-725...

Eurocopter Gives Australia Free NH90 Chopper in Delay Accord
May 9, 2013 10:34 AM GMT-0300

European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co.’S Eurocopter (EAD) unit, the world’s largest helicopter maker, will provide Australia with an extra NH90 model after the program fell three years behind plan.
Australian Aerospace, Eurocopter’s local arm, will deliver a 47th MRH90 multi-role version for free, the country’s defense ministry said in a statement today, adding that the agreement will help put the program “back on a positive footing.”

Australia ordered the MRH90 in 2005 and 2006 to replace Bell Helicopter UH-1 and Sikorsky UH-60 troop transports and AgustaWestland Sea King maritime machines. A series of glitches including component failures on the RTM322 engine from Safran SA (SAF) and Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc (RR/) delayed completion of the contract.

“Australia is a relatively harsh environment in which to operate helicopters and the MRH90 has experienced some teething problems,” the Department of Defence said in an e-mailed response to questions.
Negotiations leading to today’s settlement were held under Australia’s Projects of Concern framework, and could lead the MRH90 program to be removed from the name-and-shame list by the year’s end, the government said. The additional helicopter will be used for training by army and navy technical personnel.

Australia has received 19 MRH90s and will take six to seven per year through late 2017, the ministry said. The helicopter is expected to reach its initial operational status with the navy sometime in the middle of this year, it said.
Marignane, France-based Eurocopter, which is wholly owned by European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., said it welcomes the breakthrough. The company’s Australian Aerospace unit assembles the MRH90 at a plant in Brisbane, Queensland.

Modifications being introduced to the helicopters included a stronger cabin floor, better protection of windscreen and engines, improving seats and the cargo hook, the ministry said.
Australia awarded a contract for 24 navy helicopters to the MH-60R made by United Technologies Corp. (UTX)’s Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) in 2011 after the MRH90 came under scrutiny.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-0 ... delay.html

J.Ricardo escreveu:Isso é para ver que uns sabem negociar melhor os acordos que outros...

FCarvalho escreveu:Diria, na verdade, para se ver como é a diferença de relacionamentos...

NovaTO escreveu:

NettoBR escreveu:A Austrália não recebe incentivos como "aliado" da Otan por causa da Inglaterra?

Que eu saiba a Austrália não faz parte da OTAN. O incentivo que ela recebe, me parece claro. Se chama China.

Se observarmos os programas de reaparelhamento da Austrália, veremos que eles estão buscando equipamentos de última geração, em termos de caças, naves de superfície, submarinos, e claro, os helis.

Não vejo eles recebendo nenhum tipo de subsídio no F-18E, F-35, nos destroyers classe Hobarth, etc. O que vejo é eles gastando o $$$ deles melhor que nós, mesmo porque nós temos um orçamento de Defesa maior que o deles.

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