Noticias do IKL-214 da Grécia.

[P44]

e os turcos parece que também vão para a frente com o U-214....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... p?t=138568

[P44]

The South Korean Navy has commissioned Yung Yi, the second of three Type 214 submarines on order from Hyundai Heavy Industries. (ThyssenKrupp photo)

Second Class-214 Submarine Commissioned by the South Korean Navy


(Source: ThyssenKrupp Technologies; issued December 4, 2008)


On 28th November 2008 the Korean shipyard Hyundai Heavy Industries Ltd. Co delivered within the agreed time the second of three Class 214 submarines to the national procurement agency DAPA. Thereupon, the South Korean Navy took over command of “Yung Yi” on 2nd December 2008. The boat is equipped with an air-independent fuel cell propulsion system.

The design and major components of the submarine were provided by the Kiel shipyard Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), a company of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems. The Class 214 submarines for South Korea are being built under licence from HDW at the Hyundai Heavy Industries Ltd. Co. shipyard in Ulsan (South Korea).

The new submarine has a displacement of approximately 1,700 tons, is 65 metres long and operated by a regular crew of 27 men. It has a combined diesel-electric and fuel cell propulsion system. Equipped with ultra-modern sensors and an integrated Command and Weapon Control System, it is optimally suited to its future reconnaissance and surveillance tasks.

Beside Germany and Italy, South Korea is the third country operating submarines with the revolutionary HDW fuel cell propulsion system.


ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG, with its head office in Hamburg, Germany, is part of ThyssenKrupp Technologies AG within the ThyssenKrupp Group. With its technological competence, extensive portfolio and continuous innovations the corporate group, being the umbrella organisation for shipyards in Germany, Sweden and Greece and various marine engineering companies, represents one of the leading systems houses in European shipbuilding.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bi ... le=release

[cabeça de martelo]

It's about time misinformation in this forum stops; the claim (obviously by TKMS representatives and blindly repeated by "Der Spiegel") that "Papanikolis" is ready for two years ("Dabei geht es um ein U-Boot, das seit zwei Jahren fertiggestellt ist") and just sits there waiting for Greece to pay, is absolutely false. The truth is that "Papanikolis" had serious problems, and it was exactly during those last two years that the problems were intensely worked on and fixed. More precisely:
1. The well documented problems of the U-boat (for which I have written enough here) were discovered by Hellenic Navy officers in its initial sea trials in September 2006; they included an excessive roll of 45-55 degrees on surface which made its journey unsafe, and also mafunctions in the AIP system and the periscope, excessive noise levels etc. They were also partly recognized by HDW's CEO on television.
2. HDW performed some works and there was a second set of sea trials in February 2007, which showed some minor improvement, but not enough to satisfy the Hellenic Navy.
3. Additional work was done on the "Papanikolis" by HDW between February 2007 and September 2008, which was also documented in photos taken by Arne Luetkenhorst in July 2008, for instance this one and this one .
4. In the end of September 2008, sea trials were conducted for the third time, and this time the results were satisfactory, which was documented both by German MoD and Hellenic Navy officials who were present. The surface roll was reduced to 18-19 degrees, and the Hellenic Navy was satisfied. A certificate from the German MoD was still expected, in order to make the result official. You can find a full account on this here (which is a reliable Greek source, and you can use a translator or have a Greek friend confirm it)
5. It's obvious that if the sub had no problems and was "sitting there for two years waiting for the Greeks to pay", HDW would not go into the trouble of performing works on it in 2007 and 2008, nor repeated sea trials. Despite the official story, it's obvious that HDW accepted there was a problem and worked to solve it.
6. The Hellenic Navy has already selected a crew for the Papanikolis, since the initial crew selected in 2004 could not wait 5 years for the sub to be fixed and were returned to other duties. The new crew is expected to be ready to take over the sub very soon. I guess that's also when Greece will pay up the sums due.

Now I think we have established that:
(a) "Papanikolis" had problems, as HDW admitted
(b) those problems were solved, neither in 2006 nor in 2007, but in September 2008
(c) Under the circumstances, it's only natural for Greece to have withheld the remaining payments for the sub until now.

[WalterGaudério]

It's about time misinformation in this forum stops; the claim (obviously by TKMS representatives and blindly repeated by "Der Spiegel") that "Papanikolis" is ready for two years ("Dabei geht es um ein U-Boot, das seit zwei Jahren fertiggestellt ist") and just sits there waiting for Greece to pay, is absolutely false. The truth is that "Papanikolis" had serious problems, and it was exactly during those last two years that the problems were intensely worked on and fixed. More precisely:
1. The well documented problems of the U-boat (for which I have written enough here) were discovered by Hellenic Navy officers in its initial sea trials in September 2006; they included an excessive roll of 45-55 degrees on surface which made its journey unsafe, and also mafunctions in the AIP system and the periscope, excessive noise levels etc. They were also partly recognized by HDW's CEO on television.
2. HDW performed some works and there was a second set of sea trials in February 2007, which showed some minor improvement, but not enough to satisfy the Hellenic Navy.
3. Additional work was done on the "Papanikolis" by HDW between February 2007 and September 2008, which was also documented in photos taken by Arne Luetkenhorst in July 2008, for instance this one and this one .
4. In the end of September 2008, sea trials were conducted for the third time, and this time the results were satisfactory, which was documented both by German MoD and Hellenic Navy officials who were present. The surface roll was reduced to 18-19 degrees, and the Hellenic Navy was satisfied. A certificate from the German MoD was still expected, in order to make the result official. You can find a full account on this here (which is a reliable Greek source, and you can use a translator or have a Greek friend confirm it)
5. It's obvious that if the sub had no problems and was "sitting there for two years waiting for the Greeks to pay", HDW would not go into the trouble of performing works on it in 2007 and 2008, nor repeated sea trials. Despite the official story, it's obvious that HDW accepted there was a problem and worked to solve it.
6. The Hellenic Navy has already selected a crew for the Papanikolis, since the initial crew selected in 2004 could not wait 5 years for the sub to be fixed and were returned to other duties. The new crew is expected to be ready to take over the sub very soon. I guess that's also when Greece will pay up the sums due.

Now I think we have established that:
(a) "Papanikolis" had problems, as HDW admitted
(b) those problems were solved, neither in 2006 nor in 2007, but in September 2008
(c) Under the circumstances, it's only natural for Greece to have withheld the remaining payments for the sub until now.

Ou seja, a Grécia vai mesmo incorporar o Papanikolis?

...vai.

[cabeça de martelo]

Presumo que sim.

[P44]

Não se sabe nada definitivo ainda, correm rumores ( e se calhar mais do que isso) sobre o possivel interesse da Polónia no papanikolis...e num futuro não muito distante, em mais DOIS

[WalterGaudério]

Não se sabe nada definitivo ainda, correm rumores ( e se calhar mais do que isso) sobre o possivel interesse da Polónia no papanikolis...e num futuro não muito distante, em mais DOIS

Se isso acontecer mesmo, vai ser um dos maiores fiascos das relações comerciais gregas em toda a história.

[Marino]

Quem está tratando deste assunto, além de problemas nos scorpene chilenos, é nosso amigo Degan, nos posts quilométricos usuais, agora com os peruanos:
http://www.defensa.pe/showthread.php?p= ... post151184

[PRick]

Quem está tratando deste assunto, além de problemas nos scorpene chilenos, é nosso amigo Degan, nos posts quilométricos usuais, agora com os peruanos:
http://www.defensa.pe/showthread.php?p= ... post151184

Coitados dos peruanos, isso faz parte do começo da invasão chilena, primeiro vem o Degan, depois a tropa!!!

[]´s

[P44]

Não se sabe nada definitivo ainda, correm rumores ( e se calhar mais do que isso) sobre o possivel interesse da Polónia no papanikolis...e num futuro não muito distante, em mais DOIS

Se isso acontecer mesmo, vai ser um dos maiores fiascos das relações comerciais gregas em toda a história.

se forem só os gregos...

[P44]

elá!

8 de janeiro de 2009
Coréia encomenda mais seis “Type 214”

A Marinha da Coréia do Sul assinou em dezembro de 2008 um contrato com a o consórcio formado pela Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) e a MarineForce International LLP (MFI). O documento refere-se a um segundo lote de submarinos “Type 214” para a Marinha daquele país. São seis navios, dotados de sistemas de propulsão independente da atmosfera do tipo células de combustível. Para construir o primeiro submarino desse segundo lote, foi escolhido o estaleiro Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering. No final de 2009 será aberta a concorrência para a escolha da empresa que vai construir a segunda unidade. Eleva-se assim para nove o total de “Type 214” em uso, em construção ou encomendados pela Coréia do Sul.

http://www.segurancaedefesa.com/Coreia+6Type214.html

[P44]

do MP.net

Papanikolis soon PapanikolisKi?

Polish (and also German media) are now reporting that the German consortium is offering the "Papanikolis" to the Polish navy which already has shown interest in the sub. Polish experts already visited the boat in Germany and even participated in sea trials and were pleased with the performance of the sub. HDW officals are telling that the Greek officials have cut contacts with the them so the boat is offered to anyone who is interested.

http://74.125.43.102/translate_c?hl=de& ... eXmQccZB_Q

(polish source, translated with google)

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75248,6149068,U_bo ... lski_.html

(original polish source)

[cabeça de martelo]

Porra!!!

Agora a bola está do lado dos gregos.

[JLRC]

Parece que há novidades em relação aos submarinos gregos. Leiam a notícia seguinte:

Hellenic Navy orders two new Type 209 submarines

Date Posted: 27-Feb-2009

Jane's Navy International

Tim Fish

The Hellenic Navy is to order two new Type 209 submarines with air-independent propulsion (AIP) after aborting planned upgrades for two in-service boats, an industry source told Jane's on 24 February.

Details of the decision emerged two days before the Poseidon-class submarine HS Okeanos was relaunched after completing its mid-life modernisation (MLM) under the navy's Neptune II programme.

Okeanos was the first of three Type 209 submarines due for upgrade by Hellenic Shipyards in Skaramangas under Neptune II, but the programme has now been halted at just the one boat.

The source said that the navy and Greek Ministry of Defence (MoD) have now asked the shipyard, a subsidiary of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS), to deliver two new AIP-equipped Type 209 submarines instead of continuing with the modernisation programme.

New-build Type 209/1400s were selected over rival contenders - procurement of Type 214s was also under consideration - to make maximum use of the material packages already ordered for the Neptune II MLM, the source added.

Okeanos re-entered the water on 26 February with a Siemens PEM fuel cell AIP system - which required the insertion of a 6.5 m-long hull plug - and a new Atlas Elektronik ISUS 90-46 integrated combat management system (CMS).

It is believed to be only the fifth time that AIP has been retrofitted into a submarine, following similar work in Sweden's two Södermanland (A 17)-class boats, Japan's Harushio-class unit JS Asashio and Germany's Type 205 submarine U 1 .

The Hellenic Navy's eight in-service Type 209s are divided into two classes: four Glavkos-class submarines (Type 209/1100) commissioned in 1971 and 1972, and four Poseidon-class boats (Type 209/1200) that entered service in 1979 and 1980. All were built by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (now part of TKMS) in Kiel.

When first conceived, the Neptune II MLM was intended to bring three of the Poseidons into commonality with the navy's four new Papanikolis-class (Type 214) submarines, which are being fitted from build with Siemens AIP.

The EUR826 million (USD1.04 billion) contract for the Poseidon MLM was awarded to Hellenic Shipyards in 2002 and Okeanos arrived at the yard in November 2004. As well as AIP and the new CMS, the submarine also received a flank array sonar, optronic mast, sub-Harpoon sub-surface-to-surface missiles, SATCOM, Link II and torpedo countermeasures. The diesel engines, alternators and electric motor were overhauled. Following sea trials Okeanos is scheduled to return to Hellenic Navy service in 2010.

Meanwhile, the Type 214 acquisition programme has been delayed. Acceptance of first-of-class Papanikolis (which was built in Kiel and launched in April 2004) and sister-ship Pipinos (launched by Hellenic Shipyards in April 2007) is awaiting the resolution of a dispute between TKMS and the Greek MoD over alleged technical deficiencies and financial settlements with the first boat.

The four Glavkos-class submarines - HS Glavkos , HS Nereus , HS Triton and HS Proteus - were upgraded under the Neptune I programme between 1993 and 2000, and are expected to decommission when the Papanikolis class enters service.

http://jni.janes.com/public/jni/index.shtml

[P44]

interessante...será o fim da aventura U-214 da Grécia???