Marinha holandesa

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Que seja, tal como os BAM de Espanha.

Mas não poderiam ser um pouco mais armados, para que complementassem a força de fragatas e ao mesmo tempo servissem de patrulhas.

Sei perfeitamente que encareceria o projecto, que se calhar a plataforma desenhada e já construíida não permitiria grande armamento, que isso implicaria maior nº de tripulações, e que tudo isso talvez nunca viesse a ser utilizado.

Mas se formos ver as coisas, esperemos nós que nem submarinos ou fragatas também o venham a ser usadas em teatros reais de conflito.

Por isso eu continuo a defender que mais uma vez se perdeu a oportunidade de se ter um marinha minimamente capaz, ainda que pequena, mas mais polivalente e com maior flexibilidade de usos.

[P44]

NH-90 da Marinha Holandesa





Do dutchfleet.net

[Rui Elias Maltez]

Já começaram a ser entregues?

[old]

Que seja, tal como os BAM de Espanha.

Mas não poderiam ser um pouco mais armados, para que complementassem a força de fragatas e ao mesmo tempo servissem de patrulhas.

Sei perfeitamente que encareceria o projecto, que se calhar a plataforma desenhada e já construíida não permitiria grande armamento, que isso implicaria maior nº de tripulações, e que tudo isso talvez nunca viesse a ser utilizado.

Mas se formos ver as coisas, esperemos nós que nem submarinos ou fragatas também o venham a ser usadas em teatros reais de conflito.

Por isso eu continuo a defender que mais uma vez se perdeu a oportunidade de se ter um marinha minimamente capaz, ainda que pequena, mas mais polivalente e com maior flexibilidade de usos.

Un OPV o Corveta con:

Radar moderno
Link con el resto de fuerzas de la flota
Cañon de 76 mm con guia radar
2 o 4 montajes de 20mm
4 o 8 Harpoon/Penguin/Exocet
Buena autonomia y calidad de vida abordo
Y un Helicoptero

¿que mas quiere?

es mas que suficiente para las misiones que tienen que realizar. Porque si le metemos un sistemas Antiaereo encareceria tanto el barco que ya no mereceria la pena para una plataforma tan pequeña y tendriamos que buscar una mas grande y entonces ya se tendria una Fragata. Y solo "queremos" OPV*/Corvetas

[P44]

An artist’s view of the new Ocean Patrol Vessels ordered by the Dutch Navy, showing the Thales-designed multi-sensor mast. (Thales illustration

Royal Netherlands Navy Selects Thales's Integrated Mast


(Source: Thales Nederland; issued Dec. 20, 2007)

On 20 December 2007, the Netherlands' Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) and Thales Nederland signed a 125 million Euro contract for the development and supply of four Integrated Masts.

The Integrated Masts will be installed on the four Ocean Patrol Vessels that are being built for the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN). The first ship is scheduled to be handed over to the RNLN at the end of 2010.

The Integrated Mast is a radical departure from the traditional sensor layout on board of naval vessels. One central mast structure houses all radar, optronic, and communication sensors and antennas as well as all cabinets and peripherals. The advantages of this revolutionary sensor concept are huge: better operational performance, higher operational availability, reduced ship-building time, reduced maintenance requirements and enormous savings in below-deck space.

Thales is Design Authority of the Integrated Mast and will subcontract the design and supply of the steel structure to shipyards and integrate all sensor and communication systems. The Integrated Mast is a system that allows adaptation to specific types of ships and specific sensors.

The Integrated Mast provides the solution to the sensor problems encountered on many naval platforms that often have more than 100 antennas for surveillance, communications, fire control and navigation. These systems compete for the best place on deck but may in fact block each other and cause electro-magnetic interference. Generally, this phenomenon becomes apparent after the installation of all equipment, especially if multiple suppliers are involved.

Traditional sensor and antenna arrangements significantly increase the time and costs to build naval warships. Apart from several iterations to find suitable antenna arrangements, shipyards have to negotiate with several equipment suppliers about power supplies, deck structure adaptations, electrical interfaces, cabling, cooling, etc. In addition, equipment installation is on the critical path of almost every shipbuilding program. The shipyard starts installation only after it has finished the ship including the welding, painting, installation of cabins, etc. It then brings in the above-deck and below-deck equipment components, the required cabling and wave-guides, and performs the integration. Furthermore, expensive cabling infrastructures and much valuable space are required to accommodate the various processing cabinets.

The Integrated Mast concept improves this undesirable situation: the mast and equipment are built and tested in parallel to the ship. When the ship is ready, the mast is put on the ship as a turnkey system. It has a simple interface to the ship's power supply, cooling water supply, combat system, and mechanical deck structure, making installation a plug and play operation. The Integrated Mast concept thus reduces the time needed for shipbuilding and allows shipyards to better utilise their docks. There is a growing tendency for shipyards to reduce the time needed to build ships by using a modular design. Several prefab modules are built simultaneously and integrated at the shipyard. The Integrated Mast is the module that contains the sensors and communication equipment including the associated processing cabinets.

Netherlands OPV

The advanced Ocean Patrol Vessels to be built for the Royal Netherlands Navy are flexible, long-endurance ships with a high performance, designed for tasks including embargo operations, counter drugs trafficking, and humanitarian missions. The Integrated Mast for the RNLN Patrol Vessels will contain the sensors SMILE, SEASTAR, and GATEKEEPER.

The non-rotating radars SMILE and SEASTAR have been designed to detect littoral targets that are difficult to detect by a typical rotating radar. These sensors support missions in coastal waters thanks to their inherent longer time on target and capability to operate in complicated atmospheric conditions and deal with objects with missile-resembling radar cross-sections such as birds and windmills that easily induce false alarms.

About the sensors

-- SMILE, a non-rotating phased array radar with four faces that is derived from the proven SMART and APAR radar systems. SMILE's unique concept of multibeam volume search with four active phased array faces ensures the simultaneous performance of all operational tasks at a high update rate and practically zero false alarm rate.

-- SEASTAR, a non-rotating active phased array radar for naval surface surveillance. The system automatically detects and tracks asymmetric threats and very small objects such as swimmers, periscopes in all weather conditions. SEASTAR can also be used for helicopter guidance.

-- GATEKEEPER, a 360° panoramic electro-optical surveillance and alerter system based on IR/TV technology. Designed to counter emerging asymmetric threats down to small boats and swimmers, GATEKEEPER increases short-range situational awareness in littoral environments.

SMILE and SEASTAR are marketed as SEAMASTER 400 and SEAWATCHER 100 for the export markets.


Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group, addressing defence, aerospace and security markets worldwide. Thales' leading-edge technology is supported by 22,000 R&D engineers who offer a capability unmatched in Europe to develop and deploy field-proven mission-critical information systems. Thales employs 68,000 people in 50 countries with forecast 2007 revenues in excess of EUR 12 billion. Thales Nederland, established in 1922, is one of the leading companies in integrated naval systems for surveillance, weapon control, combat management and system integration world-wide. (ends)



Navy Buys Patrol Ships for EUR 467 Million


(Source: Netherlands Information Service; issued Dec. 20, 2007)



THE HAGUE --- Defence State Secretary Cees van der Knaap has made an agreement with several companies for the construction of four patrol ships. The ships will cost 467.8 million euros, 27.8 million more than originally budgeted.

The state secretary expects to conclude a contract next month. The main contracts for building the ships and related systems are going to Schelde Marinebouw shipyard, sister company Damen Shipyard Galatz, which will carry out the shipbuilding in Romania, and Thales Nederland.

The ships will operate in the lower part of the violence spectrum. They have a life of 25 years and will be equipped with NH90 helicopters, Van der Knaap said.

The ships are intended for coastal watch tasks in the Netherlands, the waters around the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and international security tasks. Van der Knaap expects the first ship to be delivered to the navy in 2011 and the last in 2013.

Operating costs are expected to be 5.3 million euros per ship per year. This includes the costs of each vessel's crew of 30.

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fonte

[luis F. Silva]

Rui Elias escreveu:

Sei perfeitamente que encareceria o projecto, que se calhar a plataforma desenhada e já construíida não permitiria grande armamento, que isso implicaria maior nº de tripulações, e que tudo isso talvez nunca viesse a ser utilizado.

Já viste a diferença de preço entre os holandeses e os portugueses?

[P44]

possivel MLU ás duas classe-M que ficarão ao serviço da holanda:



sistema SEAPAR

[P44]

Já começaram a ser entregues?

Rui, desculpa o atraso da resposta

sim, pelo que li no Militaryphotos.net , este é o 1º

tb tem lá uma lista:

Hereunder is the list of customer serials as extracted from several press releases from NHI, with comments between ( ).

BSWA001 = TTH Sweden Army - high cabin RTM 322
BSWN001 = NFH Sweden Navy - NFH RTM 322 (surprisingly same B prefix ??])
NFRS001 = NFH French Navy - Support/SAR version NFH RTM 322
TGEA001 = TTH German Army - TTH RTM 322
TGRA001 = TTH Greek Army - TTH RTM 322
TFIA001 = TTH Finnish Army - TTH RTM 322
GITA001 = TTH Italian Army - TTH T700 (seen on picture as “ITAR-01” no explanation for this other exception)
TOMF001 = TTH Oman Air Force - TTH RTM 322
TAUA001 = TTH Australian Army Aviation - TTH RTM 322
HITN001 = NFH Italian Navy - NFH T700
NNWN001 = NFH Norvegian Navy - NFH RTM 322
NNLN001 = NFH Netherlands Navy - NFH RTM 322
TPOA001 = TTH Portugal Army - TTH RTM 322
TBEF001 = TTH Belgian Army - TTH RTM 322
NBEN001 = NFH Belgian Navy - NFH RTM 322
TNZA001 = TTH New Zealand Army - TTH RTM 322
TGEF001 = TTH German Air Force - TTH RTM 322

The two next one are guess as I have seen nothing published yet.
HESA001 = TTH Spanish Army Aviation - TTH T700 (engine selected in Jun 2007)
NESN001 = NFH Spanish Naval Aviation - NFH T700 (engine selected in Jun 2007)

agora quando serão entregues, desconheço.

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alteração para embarcar o NH-90

Contract voor modificaties M-fregatten
door Paul Joosten op ma jan 07, 2008 09:12

3 jan 2008 Souschef Verwerving DMO Ad van de Geijn en algemeen directeur Schelde Marinebouw Hein van Ameijden hebben eind december het contract ondertekend voor de uitvoering van helikopterdekmodificatie aan boord van de Nederlandse M-fregatten Hr.Ms. Van Speijk en Hr.Ms. Van Amstel.

Tijdens de modificatie worden vliegdek en hangaar zodanig aangepast dat beide M-fregatten in staat zijn om operaties met de NH90-helikopter uit te voeren. Ook wordt een helikoptertransportsysteem geïnstalleerd waarmee de NH90 kan worden verplaatst tussen vliegdek en hangaar.

Uit praktische overwegingen is besloten om de ingrijpende modificaties uit te voeren tijdens het eerstvolgende benoemd onderhoud aan de schepen. Als gevolg daarvan zal de modificatie aan boord van Hr.Ms. Van Speijk tussen medio 2010 en medio 2011 worden uitgevoerd. Hr.Ms. Van Amstel staat in 2012 op het programma.

De helikopterdekmodificatie maakt deel uit van het instandhoudingsprogramma M-fregatten dat uitgevoerd wordt aan boord van de twee Belgische en de twee Nederlandse M-fregatten. Als onderdeel van het verkoopcontract met België is de helikopterdekmodificatie aan boord van Hr.Ms. Willem van der Zaan al uitgevoerd.

fonte: dutchfleet.net

Editado: correcção após comentário do soultrain

[soultrain]

Boas,

Atenção que não é MLU (Mid Life Upgrade), mas somente a modificação do convoo e hangar das 2 Holandesas e as Belgas de modo a acomodar o NH-90 FTH.

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[P44]

O projecto do navio de apoio logístico/reabastecedor que vai substutuir o Zuiderkruis

nova imagem do JSS (JOINT SUPPORT SHIP)


e 2 imagens de computador do NPO Holandês (dedicado ao Luis F. Silva, eu sei que ele gosta)

[luis F. Silva]

P 44 escreveu:

e 2 imagens de computador do NPO Holandês (dedicado ao Luis F. Silva, eu sei que ele gosta)

E é que gosto mesmo. Só que isso não são NPOs, mas corvetas "built for but not with".

[P44]

OS NPO Holandeses já têm nome:

De patrouilleschepen van de Hollandklasse hebben de volgende namen:

P 840 Holland
P 841 Zeeland
P 842 Friesland
P 843 Groningen

e provavelmente estarão os 4 em serviço antes que o famoso 1º NPO tuga largue amarras de Viana

[Sniper]

Prepe e seu otimismo peculiar...

Belos barcos esses Holandeses...

[soultrain]

Sniper,

NAVIO!!!!

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