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Bolovo escreveu:Esse não é o painel do J-10. É o painel do nati-morto Lavi israelense, que por mais que digam, não tem nada a ver com o J-10, apesar da aparência.

Não será o J 10. Mas teremos o JF 17 na Venezuela. parece que o Zé Ruele do chaveco vai atrás dessas naves para a FAV, afinal os F-16 e F 5 não são eternos.

Luís Henrique escreveu:Os chineses não param....

Caça chinês de 5ª geração deve voar antes do tempo estimado



A Defense Intelligence Agency dos EUA foi pega de surpresa com a declaração feita pelo general chinês He Weirong, comandante da Força Aérea Chinesa, de que o primeiro caça de 5ª geração deve voar logo e entrar em serviço em 2017. O anúncio contraria o argumento usado pelo Secretário de Defesa americano Robert Gates quando encerrou o Programa F-22 Raptor.

O novo caça chinês J-XX deve incorporar as capacidades 4S (Stealth, Supercruise, Supermanobrabilidade e Short take-off).

A revelação feita pelo comandante chinês vai esquentar o debate sobre o cancelamento do F-22 em favor do F-35, que está sendo duramente criticado antes de entrar em serviço.

Fonte: blog do poder aéreo.

Photoshop.

cockpit J-10S



simulador cockpit J-10S ? (ou desconhecido JXX?)

rumor is JXX is just going to be advanced J-10b possibly with 2 engines, there has been a speech from a chinese general stating details.

fonte :Mp.net

Cabeça de martelo, essa foto que você postou é bem legal, mas se você ou outro colega forista puder me tirar uma duvída ficarei muito grato, na foto é o caça chines de 5ª geração não é? Pois para mim o bico os canards e principalmente a tomada de ar lembra muito a do J-10B vocês não acham? Um abraço a todos.

Asteróide escreveu:Cabeça de martelo, essa foto que você postou é bem legal, mas se você ou outro colega forista puder me tirar uma duvída ficarei muito grato, na foto é o caça chines de 5ª geração não é? Pois para mim o bico os canards e principalmente a tomada de ar lembra muito a do J-10B vocês não acham? Um abraço a todos.

Leonardo, aquela foto é uma montagem. Mas enfim, ela tem características de caças de 5º geração.

Asteróide escreveu:Cabeça de martelo, essa foto que você postou é bem legal, mas se você ou outro colega forista puder me tirar uma duvída ficarei muito grato, na foto é o caça chines de 5ª geração não é? Pois para mim o bico os canards e principalmente a tomada de ar lembra muito a do J-10B vocês não acham? Um abraço a todos.

Asteróide a noticia foi colocada pelo Luís Henrique, eu apenas citei-o para dizer que aquela foto é uma criação feita com um programa chamado Photoshop e não uma foto real. Esta montagem tem anos, por isso não quer dizer nada.

O Melhor J-10 do Mundo ´americano!!!!

Walterciclone escreveu:O Melhor J-10 do Mundo ´americano!!!!

E eu perdi tempo vendo 1 min desse video...

Italo Lobo escreveu:

Francoorp escreveu:Falando da qualidade dos produtos chineses, eu tenho uma moto 125cc de fabricação chinesa!!!Uma Keeway Outlook 125 cc.

Já quebrou o eixo posterior duas vezes, aì eu que sou do ramo da mecânica de produção, modifiquei o eixo e mandei fazer novo, e com um tratamento térmico de cimentificaçào(U.E.)...tà novinho em folha

Pelo resto, poucos defeitos, o cabo do taquímetro arrebentou com 6mil KM, hoje a moto tem 60.000KM e os ùnicos defeitos são estes, falando de forma relativa...gostei da moto, robusta aonde serve. Pelo menos agora com o eixo modificado.

A cementação e não cimentação, é um processo de adição de carbono num aço de baixo teor de C, que pode ser feito através de uma reação química ou elevando-se a temp. do aço a temp superior a da zona crítica daquele aço...Depois vc faz um tratamento térmico de tempera e de revenimento(para aliviar as tensões) e aí sim, a peça aumenta a sua dureza.

Foi o que eu fiz, olha eu também trabalho no ramo, este processo é mais usado em engranagens, eu usei em um eixo, sò falei cimentificazione, porque usei o termine em português misturado em língua estrangeira(italiano), peço desculpas se errei o termine, mas pra quem sabe ler!! .

Ilya Ehrenburg escreveu:Minha preferência é pelo JF-17.

Cocordo, este é mais barato de manter-se, e parece mais simples de copiar!!

Will China Trade Advanced Fighter Jets for Oil?
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4377

Dated 13/5/2009

China is aiming at a substantial share of the international market for third-generation fighter aircraft, with a particular eye on oil-rich Third World countries as part of its arms-for-oil strategy. This was evidenced by the high-profile display of its J-10A fighter at the Zhuhai Air Show in November 2008.

Chinese experts were observed giving exhaustive information on the J-10A to military delegations from Angola, Nigeria and Venezuela at the air show. Venezuela seemed most interested in the aircraft.

The first foreign buyer of the J-10A will be Pakistan, a source from the Chinese aviation industry said. In March, Pakistan's Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed confirmed that a deal with China had been reached and that the aircraft would be delivered in 2014 and 2015. The version for Pakistan will be called the FC-20.

However, there is an issue with the engine on this aircraft. The J-10A is currently equipped with Russian-made AL-31F aviation engines. It is unclear whether Russia will permit China to install these engines on its aircraft and then export them to Pakistan. Such a move would have not only economic but also political repercussions, considering that Pakistan's rival, India, is a major purchaser of Russian arms.

For this reason, the export version of the J-10A fighter is still under design. Both the engine and the weapon systems on board will be different from the domestic version, according to the source from the Chinese aviation industry.

India has been using the Russian AL-31FP engine extensively in its fighter aircraft. If China exports large numbers of J-10A/FC-20 fighters outfitted with Russian engines to Pakistan, India will be much more concerned over this deal than with China's earlier export of JF-17 2.5-generation fighters to Pakistan. As a third-generation combat aircraft, the J-10A will pose a real threat to the Indian air force.

With this concern, India sent a strong delegation to the Zhuhai Air Show to expand its contacts with the Chinese, led by its air chief of staff. The Indian air force's aerobatics demonstration team also put on a performance at this event.

At the Singapore Air Show earlier last year, Indian Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major had already carefully inspected the simulation cockpit of the JF-17, which is being jointly developed by China and Pakistan. His trip to the Zhuhai Air Show in November last year was to examine the J-10A/FC-20 fighter.

In contrast to India's increased interest in engaging with China to explore the possibility of buying Chinese-produced weapons systems, Russia sent a much smaller delegation than usual to the Zhuhai Air Show. For the first time, Russia did not exhibit any combat aircraft or radar systems at the air show. Some representatives of Russian enterprises even canceled their planned trips to China at the last minute.

J-10 fighter enters international market at $40 million
16:29, January 21, 2010



Recently, the U.S. think tank, International Assessment and Strategy Center, published an article about the Chinese J-10 fighter. The article claimed that the J-10 fighter is about to enter the international market after 2010, while its price tag of 40 million U.S. dollars is half of its U.S. counterpart, the F-16 fighter.

According to the article, the J-10 fighter is going to sell on the international weapons market around 2010 after extensive R&D and equipping of the Chinese Air Force is complete. It is understood that the Chinese Air Force started developing J-10 back in the 1960s, and it has been fully equipped for the last five years.

The progress that China has made in developing the engine makes the fighter very competitive on international markets; while with its good quality electronics and weapon systems, the price is just half of an American F-16. Pakistan is sure to be the first buyer, and many countries including Iran and the Philippines are also planning to introduce the fighter.

According to Pakistani sources, Pakistan has already reached an agreement with China to buy 36 J-10 fighters at a total value of 1.4 billion U.S. dollars (40 million U.S. dollars for each fighter). While the single price for an F-16, which U.S. sold to the UAE affiliated with AN/APG-80 radar, was 80 million U.S dollars. At the moment it is unclear whether spare parts, maintenance support, training and other services are included into the J-10's price. It is estimated that Pakistan might buy 70 to 150 J-10 fighters in all.


J-10 fighter is performing in the air

Besides price, what makes the J-10 attractive is its competitive electronics and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a driverless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consisting of a fixed, electronically scanned array radar. If true, this would be a major advance for China's radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a heads-up display.

The J-10 has 11 hardpoints, including five on the fuselage. Its principal counter-air weapon is the Luoyang PL 12 active radar-guided air-to-air missile (AAM) with 70-km. range. With a twin-AAM pylon on the inner wing mount, plus two on forward fuselage mounts, the J-10 can carry eight PL-12s. Short-range AAMs include the PL-8, a copy of the Israeli Python-3, and an improved version of this missile, the PL-9, both helmet-sighted. The J-10 may soon feature a more capable helmet-mounted display and a new fifth-generation AAM from Luoyang.

The fighter's market success will depend on China's ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines. Rival fighter maker Shenyang has been developing its WS-10A Taihang turbofan since the mid-1980s, which could offer 13.2 tons of thrust. Russian sources believe it is beset by developmental difficulties.

Chengdu may have a competing Huashan advanced turbofan engine program, which some Chinese sources note is based on its late-1990s acquisition of the engineering data and sales rights to the Tumansky R-79 turbofan developed for the defunct Yakovlev Yak-141 supersonic vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing fighter. Nevertheless, Russian sources say China remains interested in more powerful versions of the Salyut AL-31FN, which could come in 13.5- and, eventually, 15-ton-thrust versions.

Chengdu remains ready to develop a carrier-based version of the J-10. During the PLAAF anniversary, a test pilot was reported noting that ground-test simulations prove the J-10 can operate from a carrier.

Global Times contributes to the story

By People's Daily Online

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 ... 75587.html