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Acho que O type 42 está mais que ultrapassado

Creo P44 que las Type 42 son barcos de AAW bastante poderosos, las últimas actualizaciones de la electrónica del barco y de su muy poderoso misil Sea Dart, lo hacen mucho más potente que una OHP como barco de defensa aérea de zona…
Si estoy de acuerdo en que ya son bastante viejas….pero comparadas con las OHP, pues no es tanto…

£96mil = 140,210,719 EUR

Ese es el costo de una Type 23 nueva…

£16mil= 23,368,453 EUR

Ese es el costo operacional en la RN…donde se navega más de 300 días al año y se ejercita todo el tiempo. Esa es una realidad muy distinta en LA...no lo se si en Portugal…

Respecto al Sea Wolf en Malvinas, recordemos que el sistema no estaba entregado en servicio oficialmente (no tenia el IOC) y existieron problemas en la integración del SdA con el sistema de mando y control de los barcos.
El Sea Dart ya ha mostrado su capacidad antimisil en el Golfo, logrando 7 derribos en Malvinas. Con su actualización REPC (año 2000), su performance mejora mucho más….

Gostaria muito de ter estas TYPE 23, agora em competição directa com as OHPs como seria

No son comparables, la OHP es para AAW con sus misiles SM-1 y capacidad SW y SuW, la Type 23 es para SW con capacidad de autodefensa AA con sus Sea Wolf VL y capacidad SuW…

Como é que o Chile terá 3 dessas ao seu serviço?

Navegando y entrenando menos (y a valor de mano de obra local)….

Acho que as Type 23 por tudo são superiores às OHP.

Es cierto que las Type 23 son mucho mas modernas, pero no tienen capacidad AAW de zona como las OHP. Una comparación más adecuada es con las Clase L, donde estas últimas son más modernas y con mejor electrónica, pero no tienen capacidad de usar helicóptero…

Saludos cordiales,

Do NAVSOURCE.ORG, 2 OHPs em Malta no passado mês de Fevereiro


19 February 2006 - Polish Navy Perry class frigate ORP Gen. Kazimierz Pulaski (272), ex-USS Clark (FFG-11) at Malta together with other NATO warships.


19 February 2006: USS Simpson visits Valletta Port, Malta, together with other units of a NATO squadron.

(comparar a ausência do Lançador Mk-13 na fragata americana)


será que algum dia veremos um navio destes entrar a Barra do Tejo, com o Pavilhão Português na popa????

The Turkish Navy frigate Gorkova (F-496), ex-USS Samuel Eliot Morison. The Gorkova visited the port of Palma de Mallorca, as part of a NATO group from 15 to 19 October 2005.

Bonita foto da turca
F-494 Gökçeada
http://www.losbarcosdeeugenio.com/fotos/tur_F494.jpg

Amigo P44:

Si tuviera que optar entre una OHP y un Tipo 42 no lo dudaría ni un instante, más aún si éste último se tratara de un eslora alargada.

Además de ser un hermosísimo barco, muy marinero, y con un temible armamento, las condiciones de alojamiento y comodidad para la tripulación corresponden más a un hotel 5 estrellas que a un barco de guerra. Ni comparar con una OHP.-

El cañón de 114 es de lo mejor, aún en nuestros días. Además los Sea Dart siguen siendo un sistema recontra válido de defensa de zona.
Y la verdad no creo que los britones los vendan muy caros.

Desgraciadamente, nuestros Tipo 42 sufrieron y sufren por la falta de repuestos. Si será bueno que así y todo aún se conserva uno en servicio y en esta condición quedará por mucho pero mucho tiempo.

Si hubiera problemas para mantenerlos y nos lo vendieran los britones seguro compraría por lo menos un par de ellos, eso sin pensarlo dos veces.-

Un fuerte abrazo desde Buenos Aires.-

Amigo TR

O nosso problema é que até á data, e desde finais de 2003, principios de 2004 , que vivemos uma "novela" por causa de 2 "velhas" OHPs, a FFG-12 e a FFG-14, que até hoje não sabemos se virão para Portugal.

Nem sequer se coloca outra opção...se não vierem , a nossa Marinha resumir-se-á a 3 Meko 200 como componente oceanica, mais 2 U-209PN em 2010 (altura em que as meko terão 20 anos...)

De resto teremos apenas uma guarda-costeira

TR-1700:

Mas há Type-42 no "mercado" para venda?

Rui Elias Maltez escreveu:TR-1700:

Mas há Type-42 no "mercado" para venda?

Acho que não , "oficialmente", mas os ingleses estão lentamente a retirá-los de serviço, devido a cortes de verbas.

Além de que os T-42 serão substituidos pelos DARING T-45.

Acho que vários T-42 já estão na reserva .

Uma foto inédita que descobri da FFG-14 USS SIDES



Aqui uma página acerca de todas as OHP da USN, histórico, status , fotos
http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/det ... etail.html

E uma foto da FFG-12 USS GEORGE PHILIP

A Marinha da Taiwan (Rep. da China) tem ao seu serviço uma série de 8 fragatas FFG construidas no seu país, e inspiradas nas da classe OHP, americana.





Lista dos navios:

Cheng Kung class frigate (Oliver Hazard Perry class)
Built in Taiwan under license.

ROCS Cheng Kung (FFG-1101)
ROCS Cheng Ho (FFG-1103)
ROCS Chi Kuang (FFG-1105)
ROCS Yueh Fei (FFG-1106)
ROCS Tzu I (FFG-1107)
ROCS Pan Chao (FFG-1108)
ROCS Chang Chien (FFG-1109)
ROCS Tian Dan (FFG-1110)

PFG-2 Cheng Kung-class [Perry] Frigate

The PFG-2 is virtually identical to the Perry Class FFG-7 in use in the U.S Navy. Taiwan's Kuang Hua I [Glorious China] naval modernization program includes the licensed-production of eight Perry-class (Cheng Kung-class) frigates.

As of the early 1990s Taiwan planned to field a navy with an eventual strength of 25 modern frigates.

The frigate procurement was planned to total at least 24 ships: 8-12 PFG-2 designs based on the USN's FFG-7, 6 PF types based on the French 'La Fayette' design, and 6-9 ex-USN Knox-class.

The Taiwan Frigate (PFG-2) class frigates are designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and to escort other ships that are sent to the same seas.

They are to be used mainly for coastal patrol and border defense.

This effort is part of the US Foreign Military Sales Program through a cooperative agreement with the USG, U.S. defense contractors and the China Shipbuilding Corporation (CSBC).

Lockheed Martin worked with the China Shipbuilding Corporation and the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) and the Republic of China Navy to plan, build and operate Taiwan’s first indigenous surface combatant, the Perry-class PFG-2 frigate.

The Navy placed an order for the PFG-2 frigates with the state-run China Shipbuilding Corp. (CSBC) on 08 May 1989. The first Perry-class frigate, "Cheng Kung," started construction on 10 January 1990 and was completed 7 May 1993. Afterward, one frigate was delivered to Taiwan every 11 months. The ROC Navy took delivery of a third missile frigate in 1995, and the fourth in early 1996.

Construction on the fifth, sixth and seventh units were underway by 1996, and was completed by November 1998.

The first seven of the class are knowns as Flight I, and are named after Chinese generals and warriors.

The ship is powered by 2 LM 2500 gas turbines (General Electric), to give a top speed of 29 knots while carrying a crew of 185 and 2 SH-2 LAMPS helicopters. With a displacement of 4,000 tons, the frigates are equipped with advanced radar, artillery, torpedo, surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles as well as anti-submarine helicopters.

The Perry-class frigates are armed with indigenously- produced Hsiung Feng II ASCMs, and air defense weapons systems include the Standard air defense missile. The area between the mast had to be strengthened to take the Hsiung Feng II missles.

The primary mission of these newer frigates is sea control, particularly the capability to protect the sea lanes beyond the range of coastal aircraft.

Specifications

Builder China SB Corp (Kaohsiung)
Propulsion 2 LM2500 gas turbines
Length 454 feet / 139 meters
Beam 45 feet / 13.7 meters
Draft 19 feet / 5.7 meters
Displacement 4,200 tons full load
Endurance
Speed 29 knots

Crew 235

Armament:

8 - Hsiung II SSM
40 - SM-1MR @ 1 Mk 13 missile launcher
1 - 76mm gun
2 - 40mm/70 AA guns
3 - 20mm guns
1 - 20mm Phalanx CIWS
2 - triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sh ... China_Navy

HMAS Melbourne Leaves Dry Dock Early in FFG Upgrade


(Source: ADI Ltd.; issued July 13, 2006)



ADI Limited’s guided missile frigate (FFG) Upgrade Project is continuing its positive progress, with the second frigate undocking ahead of schedule at the company’s Garden Island facility yesterday.

The docking phase of HMAS MELBOURNE’s upgrade installation was completed on Wednesday July 12, 2006 — 16 days earlier than scheduled thanks to efficiency gains achieved since ADI completed a similar installation on sister ship HMAS SYDNEY last year.

MELBOURNE will now be berthed at Garden Island to complete the remaining platform and combat system modifications, systems integration and testing. MELBOURNE is expected to commence harbour trials late this year, with sea trials and subsequent hand back to Navy anticipated for early next year. MELBOURNE’s early undocking is the latest in a series of significant progress achievements for the $1 billon project.

ADI handed the Lead Ship — SYDNEY — back to the Royal Australian Navy in April and signed a Deed of Settlement and Release with the Commonwealth in May, formalising the project’s scope reduction from six ships to four and resolving all outstanding commercial and contractual issues.

Vice President Thales Naval Australia and ADI Director of Naval Ali Baghaei said the positive schedule performance on MELBOURNE was evidence of the disciplined project management culture instilled in ADI’s naval group over the last 18 months.

‘With a experienced management team, committed workforce and close working relationship with our customer ADI is delivering successful outcomes for the FFG Upgrade project’, Mr Baghaei said.

The FFG Upgrade Project represents the most sophisticated naval systems integration task ever undertaken by an Australian company involving both new technologies and legacy equipment.

Central to the upgrade is the ADI-developed Australian Distributed Architecture Combat System (ADACS). ADI is the only Australian company to have designed, developed and installed an Australian naval combat system.

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HMAS MELBOURNE

Fragata FFG 05 HMAS Melbourne da classe Adelaide (Marinha australiana):

Portugal tinha até Setembro de 2006 para confirmar se ficava ou não com as OHP, o actual Chefe Estado Maior da Armada, pronunciou-se que daria boas noticias este verão para a armada, mas ainda ninguem disse nada e o relogio para as OHP vai contando...quando é que têm a resposta da Holanda?... só depois das férias do parlamento Holandês aí....logo saberemos o que vamos ter...

antoninho

Não te preocupes pois parece que as coisas vão compôr-se

De resto acho que a data limite era Outubro de 2006, até lá a LPM deverá estar promulgada e a decisão final deverá ser comunicada aos US

A data limite era Outubro.

Neste momento não sei se o Governo já comunicou aos EUA o desinteresse pelas 2 OHP, ou se ainda não.

Imagine-se que as convesações com a Holanda correm mal
[abrenúncio, saramago, pé-de-cabra]

Em qualquer caso, tudo indica que as coisas para as duas M holandesas parecem estar bem encaminhadas.

Mas oficialmente só depois de aprovada e promulgada a LPM é que o Governo, e particularmente o Minstério da Defesa poderão oficializar esses contactos com vista à aquisição das fragatas (e os outros equipamentos de que se fala) e pormenores do estilo, com que sistemas vêem, etc.

É isso!

A propósito , amanhã a LPM é votada na globalidade