MMRCA - FX Indiano

[LeandroGCard]

Nossa!

Que circunstância estranha, usar o Flanker em uma propaganda para venda do Super Hornet! O mundo é redondo e dá voltas... .


Leandro G. Card

[Bourne]

São complementares.

[Viktor Reznov]

Haja logística !

Quem pode, pode. Quem não pode, se sacode.

[Viktor Reznov]

Eu diria que não só uma questão de mentalidade...mas necessidade mesmo

A necessidade gera a mentalidade.

[AlbertoRJ]

M-MRCA Selection To Showcase Independence & Professionalism": Indian MOD
SATURDAY, APRIL 02, 2011


"If you think extraneous factors are going to guide our decision, then you may be surprised by the result." The words of a senior MoD officer who spoke to select journalists recently about the Indian medium multirole combat aircraft (M-MRCA) competition. As the decade-stretched competition plods toward a decision, tentatively scheduled in the next few months, the near unanimous sense -- from rumours, reports, leaks, hearsay, background briefings -- is that the big European twins,the Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon -- are the IAF's two most preferred aircraft, and in that order [It was news station Times NOW's senior editor Srinjoy Chowdhry who first suggested this in a report last year].

The MoD officer quoted above also said, "There is no political pressure. This is such a large deal that it is apt for showcasing the excellent and professional job India has done in making an informed decision which is independent of any factors, including strategic and geopolitical. The air force is the customer, not the Ministry of External Affairs."

The question now is whether there will be a full-fledged down-select -- where two, or three, aircraft will be kept in the game -- or if only the one leading aircraft will be picked out for commercial negotiations and the others asked to have a good flight home. Both possible, say sources. In the first scenario, there is speculation now about the third spot. Different versions suggest that in third place is either the Gripen or the F/A-18.

After a decade of staying studiously below radar, and quietly emerging a supposed frontrunner, the Dassault campaign will be kicking itself for the ugly mess it now finds itself in -- the blacklisting of the company's Indian face for "embarrassing" the air force. Last heard, the French Embassy in Delhi was doing everything it could to get the IAF to reconsider, and allow Dassault's PV Rao to meet them. For what it's worth, the MoD has said the development doesn't in any way affect the M-MRCA selection process, seeing as it has nothing to do with the competition, but let's face it -- what Dassault has in effect done is to seriously piss off the customer in a competition it simply cannot afford to lose.

Taking off from IAF chief PV Naik's fears expressed during Aero India in February that losing vendors could delay the competition with protests and appeals, Defence Minister AK Antony has reminded the M-MRCA team to ensure that the companies are kept briefed about all decisions at every step. Once a final decision is made, the Minister has directed, that an extensive briefing will be held with all vendors, and all questions/queries sorted out in the shortest possible time.

If the Chief of Air Staff had his way, we'd have a decision on a downselect/elimination by April. The month has begun. Don't hold your breath too much.

Fonte:Blog Livefist

[Jonas Rafael]

Faz pleno sentido. Já disse antes,q ue se não fosse o preço o Rafale seria a escolha óbvia na Índia. Ele posssui exatamente as características que eles estão procurando. O Eurofighter vem logo a seguir por ser muito semelhante, mas como foi desenvolvido pensando mais na capacidade ar-ar, fica um pouco atrás. Super Hornet e Gripen tem grandes chances por causa de política e preço respectivamente, como SH sendo mais apropriado ao que os indianos buscam a meu ver (um vetor com grande capacidade de interdição e ataque, mas que consiga complementar os Flanker na defesa aérea).
No final, vai ser o governo que vai escolher, e duvido que o esperneio dos militares faça alguma diferença como fez aqui.

[Marcos Sanchez]

Se fossemos um país que sabe o que quer, poderíamos nos aproximar dos indianos e forçar que a dassault diminuí-se o valor do avião pela quantidade a ser adquirida pelos dois países. inclusive se fosse o caso uma construção conjunta.

Os franceses pecam pelo preço e principalmente pelo alto custo para manter os caças.

os f 103 já foram aposentados, os m 2000 tem custo elevado e os bicudos continuam voando, podem não ser uma célula moderna, mas cumprem bem o papel dentro de suas limitações já que não foram projetados para serem aviões de multiplos propósitos.

Mas nada se decide e neste rítmo vamos ficar à pé.

[Carlos Mathias]

Se fossemos um país que sabe o que quer, poderíamos nos aproximar dos indianos e forçar que a dassault diminuí-se o valor do avião pela quantidade a ser adquirida pelos dois países. inclusive se fosse o caso uma construção conjunta.

Vai saber...
É uma possibilidade e nunca estivemos tão perto da Índia como nos últimos tempos.

[AlbertoRJ]

FLASH! Rafale & Typhoon Move To Next Level In M-MRCA, Others Out!

It's official! France's Dassault Aviation Rafale and the European consortium's Eurofighter Typhoon move to the next level on the Indian Air Force M-MRCA fighter selection process. Both companies have confirmed that their programme teams have been asked to be at the MoD/Air HQ tomorrow for a meeting where the process will be taken forward. While the two companies have been, in effect, asked to extend the validity of their commercial bids, the other four contenders -- Boeing F/A-18, Lockheed-Martin's F-16, UAC's MiG-35 and Saab's Gripen -- haven't received a message or a letter. This is, in effect, the downselect that you've been hearing about so much. More shortly. It must be said that it was TimesNOW's Srinjoy Chowdhry who first reported that the Rafale and Typhoon led the competition, followed by several posts here on Livefist which suggested that the two big European twins were likely to make the semi-final cut.

What has happened today is basically scenario 2 in my post from earlier today. The MoD's decision to issue requests for bid validity extension to only two of the six companies -- and by default allow the commercial bids of the other four to expire tomorrow -- could be problematic, but this isn't something the IAF and MoD haven't accounted for. This could be the most interesting phase of the competition, since the four contenders knocked out of the fray will be wondering why in hell the government waited till the end to shaft them.

Livefist has reported extensively on the apprehensions that could guide the Indian government's final decision against the Americans and Russians. Let's just remind ourselves, however, that is a down-select. The process of selection is not nearly over. This is, however, the first substantive decision that has been taken in the competition, and the only one so far that narrows the board. Stay tuned for what promises to be a huge amount of action from here on out.

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http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/04/fl ... level.html

A se confirmar, o FX-2 (ou FX-3 ) vira caso de vida ou morte para o Gripen NG.

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[Carlos Mathias]

Fio, o NG está praticamente enterrado depois daquela declaração de que só se alguém comprar o gov. sueco vai botar alguma grana ou interesse.

A se confirmar, deu a lógica, técnica e política principalmente.

A Dassault está com duas mãos na taça.

[AlbertoRJ]

E se ganhar lá, fica mais forte aqui.

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[Carlos Mathias]

E aí eu lembro da minha suposição, da minha viagem à maionese...

Os dois páises operando Rafale.
Os dois países operando Flanker.

SU-30/35BM como caça de superioridade/estratégico e Rafale como caça médio/tático, nos dois países.

A Rússia fabricando DAMOCLES, MISTRAL ...

Rapá, são tantas as possibilidades...

[Justin Case]

Amigos,

A notícia que segue veio do vizinho Paquistão:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defe ... tlist.html

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

The Indian Ministry of Defense has issued letters, on Wednesday, to two of the six vendors competing in the estimated USD 10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), asking them to extend the validity of their commercial bids, which will expire on Thursday, tomorrow.

StratPost can confirm that the European Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and the French Dassault’s Rafale have been invited to do so, effectively making up the shortlist.

StratPost can also confirm that according to the IAF and the ministry, the other aircraft in the fray, the US Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, the US Lockheed Martin Corporation’s F-16, the Russian MiG-35 and the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen did not pass the technical evaluation conducted by the IAF.

Abraços,

Justin

[Justin Case]

Amigos,

Parece que a notícia do MMRCA tem fundamento.

Vejam a nota publicada, atribuída à SAAB:

PRESS RELEASE: Saab: Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme
27/04/2011 18:52

LINKÖPING, Sweden--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 27, 2011--

Regulatory News:

Today defence and security company Saab AB (STO:SAABB) has received information from the Indian Ministry of Defence that Gripen has not been shortlisted for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme.

"We are offering India a world class next generation fighter aircraft to a very competitive price and an extensive technology transfer programme. We have received this decision and will closely monitor the future process and provide additional information if requested by the Indian Ministry of Defence. We are confident that the Gripen system is the perfect match for the Indian Air Force as well as meeting the highest requirements for the international markets," says Hakan Buskhe, President and CEO at Saab.

India is one of Saab's most important markets. For example, Saab recently announced an investment in a research and development centre in India.

"We are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defence and security sectors," says Hakan Buskhe.

Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots' School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers' changing needs.

This information was brought to you by Cision http://www.cisionwire.com

CONTACT: Saab Press Centre

+46 (0)734 180 018

http://www.saabgroup.com

SOURCE: Saab
Copyright Business Wire 2011

http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets ... 1958203352

Justin

[Penguin]

India Shortlists MMRCA Competitors
Apr 27, 2011

By Robert Wall wall@aviationweek.com
LONDON


The Indian government has named the final candidates in its Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program.

The MMRCA competition keeps the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale in the mix. Saab confirms the Gripen has been eliminated.

Industry officials indicate the other three contestants, the Boeing F/A-18E/F, Lockheed Martin F-16 and MiG-35, also have been eliminated, although India is not formally to announce the line up until April 28.

If both U.S. fighter are cut, it would be a big blow to Washington, which had aggressively courted India with technology release promises. Furthermore, the two U.S. contenders were the only ones with fielded active, electronically scanned array radars, which India says it wants.

The government will now evaluate industrial and commercial terms before naming a final winner in several months.

The MMRCA program is to lead to the Indian assembly of the chosen design. The program is for 126 fighters, although it is expected to grow. The Indian competition has been the most coveted of the international fighter programs currently in the competition phase.

Saab CEO Hakan Bushke says that despite the loss “we are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defense and security sectors.”

Typhoons photo: Geoffrey Lee