Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qua Dez 11, 2019 6:24 am
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Re: Turquia
Enviado: Sex Fev 14, 2020 9:25 am
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Ter Mai 26, 2020 5:07 am
About 35 soldiers have reportedly marched onto a floodplain site on the east bank of the River Evros near the town of Feres on the disputed border between Turkey and Greece.
Special forces and infantry set up a camp with a small Turkish flag flying from a tree and rejected Greek demands to withdraw.
Longstanding disputes over the position of the border arise from the fact the Evros River, which marks it out, often shifts its course.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... 841bd27eec
Special forces and infantry set up a camp with a small Turkish flag flying from a tree and rejected Greek demands to withdraw.
Longstanding disputes over the position of the border arise from the fact the Evros River, which marks it out, often shifts its course.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... 841bd27eec
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Ter Mai 26, 2020 2:39 pm
O Erdogan deve estar procurando uma desculpa para distrair o público interno.
A ver se os gregos caem na isca.
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A ver se os gregos caem na isca.
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Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 12:49 am
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 12:59 am
Tomara que dessa vez aconteça alguma coisa de verdade. Seria uma boa desculpa para os europeus se livrarem de uma vez do maluco de Ancara usando os gregos como pau de escora. Eles fariam com maior prazer.
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Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 2:50 am
Turkey-Greece tensions escalate over Turkish Med drilling plans
Greece has issued a naval alert after Turkey announced it was sending a ship to carry out a drilling survey in waters close to a Greek island off Turkey's south coast.
Turkey's initial advisory on Tuesday sparked alarm in Greece amid reports that naval ships from both countries were preparing to patrol the area.
The EU said Turkey's alert was "not helpful and sends the wrong message".
Turkey said its survey ship was working entirely within its continental shelf.
How have relations soured?
Although the Turkish survey ship, Oruc Reis, was still reported to be at anchor in the Turkish port of Antalya on Wednesday, the Turkish alert - known as a Navtex - prompted alarm in the Greek military and was condemned by Athens as illegal.
The survey alert covers an area between Cyprus and Crete. Unconfirmed Greek reports said Turkish and Greek navy ships were heading to an area near the Greek island of Kastellorizo, a short distance from the Turkish mainland.
Greece has said the Turkish naval move violates its sovereign rights. Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis spoke to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and said he would talk to other Greek political leaders about the escalation on Thursday.
Why the flare-up?
Nato allies Turkey and Greece are on separate sides in a race to develop energy resources in the Eastern Mediterranean.
In recent years, huge gas reserves have been found in the waters off Cyprus, prompting the Cypriot government, Greece, Israel and Egypt to work together to make the most of the resources. As part of that agreement, energy supplies would go to Europe via a 2,000km (1,200-mile) pipeline in the Med.
Last year Turkey stepped up drilling to the west of Cyprus, which has been divided since 1974, with Turkish northern Cyprus only recognised as a republic by Ankara. The division of the island was marked in Turkey this week, and Ankara has always argued that the island's natural resources should be shared.
Then, in November 2019, Ankara signed a deal with Libya that Turkey said created an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) from the Turkish southern coast to Libya's north-east coast. Egypt said it was illegal, Greece said it was absurd as it failed to take account of the Greek island of Crete, midway between the two countries.
At the end of May, Turkey said it planned to start drilling in the coming months in several other areas further west, alarming EU members Greece and Cyprus.
Several licences have been issued to Turkish Petroleum to drill in the Eastern Med, including off the Greek islands of Rhodes and Crete.
"Everyone should accept that Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus cannot be excluded from the energy equation in the region," said Turkish Vice-President Fuat Oktay.
What are the legal issues?
Many Greek islands in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean are within sight of the Turkish coast, so issues of territorial waters are complex and the two countries have come to the brink of war in the past.
If Greece were to extend its territorial waters from six miles to the maximum of 12 allowed internationally, Turkey argues its sea routes would be severely affected.
Apart from territorial waters, there are exclusive economic zones (EEZs), like that agreed between Turkey and Libya, but also like the Cypriot EEZ accords with Lebanon, Egypt and Israel. They can extend for 200 nautical miles.
So where does Kastellorizo fit in, 2km from the Turkish mainland?
Greece argues that the Turkish alert involves a large area of the continental shelf of Kastellorizo. But Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said last month that "islands that are far from the mainland and closer to Turkey cannot have a continental shelf".
Turkey's vice-president said last month that Ankara was tearing up maps "drawn to imprison us on the mainland", and Ankara insists it is acting with the UN's Law of the Sea.
What reaction has there been?
Greece's European allies have backed its position. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, on a visit to Athens, urged Ankara to stop "provocations in the Eastern Mediterranean".
On Wednesday, an EU spokeswoman said Turkey's new move was "not helpful and sends the wrong message".
The bloc had repeatedly underlined that the limitation of exclusive economic zones and the continental shelf should be addressed through negotiations and in good faith, she added.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53497741
Greece has issued a naval alert after Turkey announced it was sending a ship to carry out a drilling survey in waters close to a Greek island off Turkey's south coast.
Turkey's initial advisory on Tuesday sparked alarm in Greece amid reports that naval ships from both countries were preparing to patrol the area.
The EU said Turkey's alert was "not helpful and sends the wrong message".
Turkey said its survey ship was working entirely within its continental shelf.
How have relations soured?
Although the Turkish survey ship, Oruc Reis, was still reported to be at anchor in the Turkish port of Antalya on Wednesday, the Turkish alert - known as a Navtex - prompted alarm in the Greek military and was condemned by Athens as illegal.
The survey alert covers an area between Cyprus and Crete. Unconfirmed Greek reports said Turkish and Greek navy ships were heading to an area near the Greek island of Kastellorizo, a short distance from the Turkish mainland.
Greece has said the Turkish naval move violates its sovereign rights. Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis spoke to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and said he would talk to other Greek political leaders about the escalation on Thursday.
Why the flare-up?
Nato allies Turkey and Greece are on separate sides in a race to develop energy resources in the Eastern Mediterranean.
In recent years, huge gas reserves have been found in the waters off Cyprus, prompting the Cypriot government, Greece, Israel and Egypt to work together to make the most of the resources. As part of that agreement, energy supplies would go to Europe via a 2,000km (1,200-mile) pipeline in the Med.
Last year Turkey stepped up drilling to the west of Cyprus, which has been divided since 1974, with Turkish northern Cyprus only recognised as a republic by Ankara. The division of the island was marked in Turkey this week, and Ankara has always argued that the island's natural resources should be shared.
Then, in November 2019, Ankara signed a deal with Libya that Turkey said created an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) from the Turkish southern coast to Libya's north-east coast. Egypt said it was illegal, Greece said it was absurd as it failed to take account of the Greek island of Crete, midway between the two countries.
At the end of May, Turkey said it planned to start drilling in the coming months in several other areas further west, alarming EU members Greece and Cyprus.
Several licences have been issued to Turkish Petroleum to drill in the Eastern Med, including off the Greek islands of Rhodes and Crete.
"Everyone should accept that Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus cannot be excluded from the energy equation in the region," said Turkish Vice-President Fuat Oktay.
What are the legal issues?
Many Greek islands in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean are within sight of the Turkish coast, so issues of territorial waters are complex and the two countries have come to the brink of war in the past.
If Greece were to extend its territorial waters from six miles to the maximum of 12 allowed internationally, Turkey argues its sea routes would be severely affected.
Apart from territorial waters, there are exclusive economic zones (EEZs), like that agreed between Turkey and Libya, but also like the Cypriot EEZ accords with Lebanon, Egypt and Israel. They can extend for 200 nautical miles.
So where does Kastellorizo fit in, 2km from the Turkish mainland?
Greece argues that the Turkish alert involves a large area of the continental shelf of Kastellorizo. But Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said last month that "islands that are far from the mainland and closer to Turkey cannot have a continental shelf".
Turkey's vice-president said last month that Ankara was tearing up maps "drawn to imprison us on the mainland", and Ankara insists it is acting with the UN's Law of the Sea.
What reaction has there been?
Greece's European allies have backed its position. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, on a visit to Athens, urged Ankara to stop "provocations in the Eastern Mediterranean".
On Wednesday, an EU spokeswoman said Turkey's new move was "not helpful and sends the wrong message".
The bloc had repeatedly underlined that the limitation of exclusive economic zones and the continental shelf should be addressed through negotiations and in good faith, she added.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53497741
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 10:38 am
Da próxima vez que um estúpido disser pra você: para que o Brasil precisa de navios de guerra, pra que o Brasil precisa de submarinos...
é só dar o exemplo da Grécia e da Turquia... exemplo mais claro que esse não tem...
é só dar o exemplo da Grécia e da Turquia... exemplo mais claro que esse não tem...
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 11:07 am
Sei não, acho que o Brasil precisa disso tudo, logo, não devo ser tão estúpido assim, tanto que acho que precisamos também da nossa própria Grécia (ou Turquia) disputando o mar conosco, porque se não há percepção CLARA de ameaça, é mais fácil não fazer nada (ou quase nada).
Nosso caso, aliás: quem sentiria necessidade de comprar armas para Defesa Residencial se mora num condomínio fechado cujo dono tem uma multidão de seguranças armados até os dentes?
Nosso caso, aliás: quem sentiria necessidade de comprar armas para Defesa Residencial se mora num condomínio fechado cujo dono tem uma multidão de seguranças armados até os dentes?
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 11:20 am
Acho que não Túlio, explicando bem, o povo entende, quanto ao condomínio fechado, cara, só protege você de nóias, trabalho com esses condomínios hoje, e é fácil entrar em um deles, e lá dentro, só Deus na causa...
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 11:26 am
Cupincha, o condomínio fechado foi uma metáfora para a AL, sendo o dono FODÃO os EUA. Como vi que postaste faz pouco no tópico de survivalism, deves ter confundido um pouco as coisas...
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 12:56 pm
O PROSUB é um programa de R$37,7 bilhões, ou seja 4 vezes mais caro que o projeto de construção das 4 Tamandarés.
O Brasil não tem escolta que presta por que o Estado não deu dinheiro ou por que a MB quis dar um salto maior que a perna e já tendo 5 submarinos modernos optou pelo PROSUB achando que poderia executar ao mesmo tempo com o PROSUPER????
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 2:17 pm
knigh7 escreveu: ↑Qui Jul 23, 2020 12:56 pm
O PROSUB é um programa de R$37,7 bilhões, ou seja 4 vezes mais caro que o projeto de construção das 4 Tamandarés.
O Brasil não tem escolta que presta por que o Estado não deu dinheiro ou por que a MB quis dar um salto maior que a perna e já tendo 5 submarinos modernos optou pelo PROSUB achando que poderia executar ao mesmo tempo com o PROSUPER????
Como diria a MAGDA 
, é uma faca de dois legumes: os IKL já eram meio "coroas" (basta ver que hoje estão praticamente inoperantes) e vimos no que dá forçar meios já enfraquecidos, a tragédia do ARA San Juan poderia ter ocorrido com um dos nossos, e vejas no que deu para os hermanos: não têm mais Arma Submarina, pois o custo de um refurbishing nas duas naves (de classes diferentes ainda por cima, sendo um IKL 209 e um TR 1700) acabaria custando tanto (em tempo e dinheiro) quanto comprar duas novas, y no hay plata para nenhuma das duas coisas. Trocar os hoje velhos IKL por igual quantidade de Scorpênis moderníssimos, e ainda por cima com um SSN no fim do arco-íris, me parece muito melhor, em termos Estratégicos, do que um balaio de Escoltas meia-boca.
Para a superfície, PATRULHA é do que precisamos, e quanto mais melhor. Tanto flutuando quanto voando, aliás. SE e QUANDO tivermos isso em quantidade suficiente, então sim, se pensa em Escolta - a rigor, não temos nada para ser escoltado mesmo, aquele PHM Inglês para mim é o novo Sampa (espero que não dê tanto problema, porque os bifes o usaram bastante na função para que realmente serve, e que não é do nosso escopo). Ou fazer como o Chile, que tem pessoal de primeira nas bases dos grandes fabricantes/operadores e que, com isso, sempre está sabendo de navios que serviriam direitinho para eles e a custos e condições atrativos. Faz pouco incorporaram mais duas Fragatas, se não me engano...
, é uma faca de dois legumes: os IKL já eram meio "coroas" (basta ver que hoje estão praticamente inoperantes) e vimos no que dá forçar meios já enfraquecidos, a tragédia do ARA San Juan poderia ter ocorrido com um dos nossos, e vejas no que deu para os hermanos: não têm mais Arma Submarina, pois o custo de um refurbishing nas duas naves (de classes diferentes ainda por cima, sendo um IKL 209 e um TR 1700) acabaria custando tanto (em tempo e dinheiro) quanto comprar duas novas, y no hay plata para nenhuma das duas coisas. Trocar os hoje velhos IKL por igual quantidade de Scorpênis moderníssimos, e ainda por cima com um SSN no fim do arco-íris, me parece muito melhor, em termos Estratégicos, do que um balaio de Escoltas meia-boca.Para a superfície, PATRULHA é do que precisamos, e quanto mais melhor. Tanto flutuando quanto voando, aliás. SE e QUANDO tivermos isso em quantidade suficiente, então sim, se pensa em Escolta - a rigor, não temos nada para ser escoltado mesmo, aquele PHM Inglês para mim é o novo Sampa (espero que não dê tanto problema, porque os bifes o usaram bastante na função para que realmente serve, e que não é do nosso escopo). Ou fazer como o Chile, que tem pessoal de primeira nas bases dos grandes fabricantes/operadores e que, com isso, sempre está sabendo de navios que serviriam direitinho para eles e a custos e condições atrativos. Faz pouco incorporaram mais duas Fragatas, se não me engano...
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 2:52 pm
O ARA Santa Cruz foi comissionado em 1984 e o San Juan em 1985.
A classe Tupi foi comissionada entre 1989 a 1999.
Nem me refiro ao Tikuna, que foi mais recente ainda.
O PROSUB foi iniciado em 2008. Eram submarinos que tinham entre 9 a 19 anos. Submarinos operam por mais de 30 anos. Veja a Classe Los Angeles. Aliás, a Rússia opera submarinos ainda da época da URSS.
O caso do ARA San Juan não foi por ser velho,mas sim por manutenção ruim.
A classe Tupi foi comissionada entre 1989 a 1999.
Nem me refiro ao Tikuna, que foi mais recente ainda.
O PROSUB foi iniciado em 2008. Eram submarinos que tinham entre 9 a 19 anos. Submarinos operam por mais de 30 anos. Veja a Classe Los Angeles. Aliás, a Rússia opera submarinos ainda da época da URSS.
O caso do ARA San Juan não foi por ser velho,mas sim por manutenção ruim.
Re: Turquia
Enviado: Qui Jul 23, 2020 3:04 pm