MIG 29/35 news

[piratadabaixada]

Se ofereceram, toda a gente sabia, não é segredo, talvez por isso tenha sido excluído?

A FAB com certeza não sabia, pois o FX1 estabelecia que os caças deveriam ser novos.

Abraços,

Heronim

[piratadabaixada]

Essa história de vender caças recondicionados como novos, em relação a venda de MiG-29 para a Argélia, levantam algumas questões que ainda não consegui compreender lendo os posts sobre a questão. Então, vamos lá:

(i) Quem teve a geniosa idéia de vender caças recondicionados como novos? Será que essa mente pródiga não pensou que alguém iria descobrir? Além do que, quem embolsou a diferença, hein?

(ii) Partindo da hipótese de que o "moral hazard" partiu dos russos. Então, como se pode fechar negócio e parcerias com um governo e Estado que permitem que uma situação dessas ocorra?

Não é a primeira vez que os russos fazem isto, fizeram também no Peru, uma bancada de testes de mísseis que deveria ser nova era usada.

Abraços,

Heronim

[piratadabaixada]

Bourne,

Ninguém é insano ao ponto de fazer isso, toda a gente sabe que os SMT são recondicionados, então ou internamente sabiam que eram usados, mas foram "vendidos" internamente como novos, para meter dinheiro ao bolso, ou foi coisa para pressionar alguém.

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No FX1, do qual participei intensamente de debates ninguém imaginava que o MIG29 SMT eram células recondicionadas. Todo mundo acreditva que eram células novas.

Abraços,

Heronim

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Sudan confirms purchase of Russian MiG-29 jet fighters

18:42|14/ 11/ 2008
MOSCOW, November 14 (RIA Novosti) - Sudan has bought an undisclosed number of MiG-29 fighters from Russia, the northeast African state's defense minister said on Friday. "The deal is done. The aircraft have been bought," Abdel Rahim Mohamed Hussein told a RIA Novosti news conference.

Russia earlier denied media reports of MiG-29 deliveries to Sudan directly or via third countries.

A Sudanese opposition newspaper reported on Monday that the Sudanese government had taken delivery of 12 MiG-29 fighters through a Belarusian company.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20081114/118322533.html

[talharim]

Mas o Sudão não está sob embargo de armas da ONU ???

[caixeiro]

Mas o Sudão não está sob embargo de armas da ONU ???

HAHauhuahuahuhauhahUAHhauhaha, explica isso para os chineses e os Russos

[P44]

até o libano....

Russia to hand over 10 MiG-29 fighters to Lebanon

16.12.2008, 14.53


MOSCOW, December 16 (Itar-Tass) - Russia will hand over ten MiG-29 fighters to Lebanon, Lebanese Defense Minister Ilias Murr said after a meeting with his Russian counterpart Anatoly Serdyukov on Tuesday.
Opening the talks in expanded format, Anatoly Serdyukov noted "we're very much hoping that our talks will be productive and give a new impulse to bilateral military and military-technical cooperation."
"In the course of our talks in narrow format we discussed a broad range of issues, including the internal political situation in Russia and Lebanon. I am pleased that our first meeting passed in a positive, friendly atmosphere. We've received a list of the Lebanese armed forces’ needs and are ready to consider it in the nearest future," he emphasized.
For his part, Murr thanked the Russian minister for a warm welcome. He said he was hoping for more such meetings in the future, adding that the "narrow format talks were fruitful and good." He informed those present, than Lebanon would receive 10 MiG-29 fighters."The Russian warplanes will be given to Lebanon as aid," an official in the Lebanese delegation said.
Prior to the talks in expanded format, Serdyukov handed in to Murr the Russian Defence Ministry medal 'For the Strengthening of Comradeship-in-Arms.'
It was noted during the ceremony that Murr "is decorated for his contribution to the strengthening of bilateral military and military-technical cooperation and for assisting the Russian military contingent in rebuilding the Lebanese infrastructure."
The Lebanese defence chief announced his decision to visit Moscow after a meeting with director of Russia's Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation Mikhail Dmitriyev in Beirut on December 6.
Both parties stated an interest in military partnership, which "will give a new impulse to Russian-Lebanese ties."
The 72,000-strong Lebanese army has T-54 tanks and Russian-made howitzers in its arsenal. Those weapons were handed over to it after the 1975-1990 civil war as paramilitary units were being disarmed. The Lebanese side would like to modernize its air defences and increase the number of helicopters and armoured vehicles, Lebanese Defence Ministry officials said.
Russia and Lebanon established close military ties in 2006. Russia was one of the first countries to respond to the Lebanese government’s appeal to restore the country’s southern regions that had been destroyed during Israeli air bombardments.
The Russian construction battalion built nine road bridges during its two-month mission to Lebanon. The Russian military builders restored the most difficult sections of transport routes. The Lebanese authorities and the population highly praised their efforts.
Ilias Murr, 46, is a prominent Lebanese politician. An Orthodox Christian, he studied law in Switzerland. He repeatedly occupied government posts in the capacity of defence minister and interior minister.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.htm ... &PageNum=0

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Simulador Mig-29K
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ount=13258

[Skyway]

Só 10? O Líbano vai continuar sendo o quintal e área de treinamento dos israelenses...

[FIGHTERCOM]

Só 10? O Líbano vai continuar sendo o quintal e área de treinamento dos israelenses...

São os alvos aéreos tripulados.


Abraços,

Wesley

[Bolovo]

O Libano está mais preocupado em lutar contra o Hezzbolah. A coisa tá feia, estão usando Huey para fazer bombardeio! Esses Mig-29 podem ajudar alguma coisa. Contra a IAF isso seria pífio.

[Skyway]

Eles podiam comprar uns Super Tucanos heim....

[Bolovo]

Eles podiam comprar uns Super Tucanos heim....

Seria bom.

Usariamos os "turcos" que existem na cidade de São Paulo para intermediar as negociações.

Negócio feito na hora.

Cultura inútil: Pra quem não sabe, todo mundo daquela região que veio no pós-Primeira Guerra para o Brasil, ou seja, os turcos, os libaneses, os palestinos, os sírios e etc, eram chamados por aqui de "turcos". E eles odeiam isso, odeiam os turcos, pelo fato do Império Otomano ter mandado na terra deles por tanto tempo. Pergunta para um grego, um libanes o que ele acha da Turquia. Eu já fiz uma vez e não escutei palavras bonitas.

[P44]

um libanês não sei, agora um GREGO faço uma pequena ideia

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An Indian Air force handout picture shows the first Indian women pilot, Suman Sharma sitting inside the Russian Fighter Aircraft MIG-35, at the Yelahanka Air Force Station in the southern Indian City of Bangalore, India, 13 February 2009. The Seventh Edition of Aero India 2009 is being organized by the Ministry of Defence, Government of India. It brings under one roof around 330 companies from 50 countries and 270 firms from India from the 11th to 15th of February 2009