JAS-39 Gripen

[Carlos Mathias]

É rapaz, os suecos estão jogando pesado mesmo.
Vamos ver.

[Skyway]

Cof, cof, cof. Que coincidência...

Encadernado tava mais bunitinho.

Um abraço!

[Skyway]

É rapaz, os suecos estão jogando pesado mesmo.
Vamos ver.

Só o avião é leve.

Um abraço!

[Vinicius Pimenta]

Agora eles precisam publicar o outro caderninho.

[Carlos Mathias]

Pois é.
Mas cara, eu estava olhando no "navais" o super-pacote francês e vou te falar. Difícil de igualar, mesmo pelos EUA.

Fabricação local de torpedos moderníssimos, mísseis anti-navio da classe do Exocet Bl-III e ASTER, participação no Meteor, as fragatas FREMM estão cotadas pela metade do preço das americanas, está incluso o desenvolvimento de um pa DE 40.000 Ton...

Enfim, a proposta Gripen-NG é ótima, mas as outras tem um peso global bem maior, coisa que que a Suécia não podá igualar.

Enfim, vamos ver, né?

[Vinicius Pimenta]

É verdade. Quem está jogando para perder?

Agora, é preciso separar as coisas. O "pacotão naval francês" não tem nada a ver com o F-X. Torpedos, mísseis e as FREMM vão vir dessa forma independente da escolha do F-X. É igual a questão da CSA e dos subs alemães. Uma coisa não tinha nada a ver com a outra. Se estava na proposta era só pra enganar bobo.

[Skyway]

Com certeza, todos estão parecendo stand do camelôdromo do Saara...vendendo de tudo e fazendo qualquer negócio.

Que venha o melhor para nós!

"É um por 10 e dois por 15! Quem vai?!!!"...

Um abraço!

[gaitero]

É verdade. Quem está jogando para perder?

Agora, é preciso separar as coisas. O "pacotão naval francês" não tem nada a ver com o F-X. Torpedos, mísseis e as FREMM vão vir dessa forma independente da escolha do F-X. É igual a questão da CSA e dos subs alemães. Uma coisa não tinha nada a ver com a outra. Se estava na proposta era só pra enganar bobo.

Exato, as aquisições Brasileiras para com os equipamentos de origem francesas já são mais do que suficiente para uma relação estreita entre os mesmos. Deixando o F-X, digamos assim, livre à um interesse maior.

[Carlos Mathias]

Vinícius, me desculpe, mas você realmente acha que não está havendo uma pressão com tudo isso junto num super-pacotão? Já esquecemos dos Rafas F-1 prá MB? Estão ensacados, só esperando. Assinou, amanhã tá aqui e a MB rindo de orelha à orelha.
OS EUA estão fazendo o mesmo com seus AEGIS, F-18E + armas e etc. Só que até agora não vi nada sobre nossa participação no AIM-1'20D, nem em fábrica de HARPOON, nem de Standart nem nada.

Eu vejo a proposta da Marinha como uma de um conjunto de pacotes para as três forças, que juntos, fazem peso econômico e político para permitir essas vantagens todas.

Por exemplo, a FAB poderá operar o mesmo LBVR da MB (Meteor), exatamente o mesmo avião, a integração de armas seria a mesma, a operação seria mais unificada e etc, etc, etc.
Quer dizer, é sim um super-pacotão que envolve provavelmente as três forças.

Mas é aquilo, a FAB pode não querer nada disso, sabe lá.

[Alcantara]

Amigão, eu também respeito a opinião alheia mas isso aqui é um fórum de debates.
O "é possivel que", que afirmastes, é bem diferente do que está se lendo por aqui.
É possível que tenham um datalink superior assim como é possível que não tenham, certo?

Sim, certíssimo.

Afirmar outra coisa é "fazer de conta" e essa é a minha opinião.
Abraços

Ok. Mas me diga uma coisa: onde você arranjou isso de que afirmei que os suecos estavam mais avançados que os outros?
Eu só especulei. Quem tá afirmando algo é você, não eu.


Abraços, camarada.

[PRick]

Gripen NG for Brazil

Gripen offers Brazil a complete solution. Gripen NG is the world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with built in Net centric warfare (NCW) technologies and capabilities developed specifically for Brazil.



The Gripen NG for Brazil in short:

• * A powerful and proven engine
  * AESA radar
  * Advanced Communication systems
  * Tactical Data Link
  * Supercruise
  * Advanced Electronic warfare
  * Strategic reach
  * Advanced Weapons Capacity

Olá pessoal,

Assim o Gripen NG leva o FX-2, e se tiver custos semelhantes aos valores divulgados para Hoanda, Dinamarca e Noruega.

Parece que pouco antes e depois da LAAD 2009 é que os concorrentes "acordaram" para o FX-2, pelo menos o que é visível para nós. Acho que os R$3,028 bi do contrato do KC-390 mostrou que a FAB/governo não estão brincando.

[]s, Roberto

Penso ao contrário, se custos fossem decisivos, não teria sentido colocar 03 caças de Classes diferentes, sendo apenas um monomotor. O que o C-390 demonstrou é que se o pacote estiver dentro dos objetivos da END, custo não será problema. Tudo depedende de qual fornecedor é capaz de nos fornecer maior CAPACITAÇÃO.

[]´s

[Skyway]

Penso o mesmo Prick.

[Carlos Mathias]

E aí me vem à cabeça o super-pacotão francês...

[AlbertoRJ]

Fórum Defesa Brasil, 21 Abril de 2009.

Isso!

Site oficial do Gripen, 29 de abril de 2009.

Gripen NG for Brazil

Gripen offers Brazil a complete solution. Gripen NG is the world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with built in Net centric warfare (NCW) technologies and capabilities developed specifically for Brazil.



The Gripen NG for Brazil in short:

• * A powerful and proven engine
  * AESA radar
  * Advanced Communication systems
  * Tactical Data Link
  * Supercruise
  * Advanced Electronic warfare
  * Strategic reach
  * Advanced Weapons Capacity

Why Brazil should choose Gripen

• * Gripen NG is the world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with built in Net centric warfare (NCW) technologies and capabilities developed specifically for Brazil.
  * Gripen will meet or exceed every operational requirement raised by the Brazilian Air Force in all roles - Air to Air Fighter BVR/WVR, Air to Surface land and sea, and recce.
  * Gripen will provide exceptional autonomous multi and swing role capability in normal and hostile FOB operations, and act as a perfect force multiplier.
  * Gripen will, over life, have a substantially lower real Life Cycle Cost than its nearest single engined competitor, and is able to operate at a fraction of the cost of its twin engined competitors.
  * Gripen NG is the only option for Brazil delivering next generation technical and military capabilities.
  * Gripen NG will allow Brazil to become a significant partner in the development programme and become a platform for future technology programmes.
  * In combination with the Industrial Cooperation program, Gripen’s program for FAB, Brazilian Defence and industrial establishment will make Brazil by 2020 completely independent of the need to purchase combat aircraft from other countries and make it an exporter of aircraft like Sweden.

Operational capability

As a Next Generation multi-role fighter Gripen NG has the operational range, payload and built-in Net Centric Warfare (NCW) capability to meet all the roles as defined by the Brazilian Air Force; both national and regional expeditionary. Brazil’s NCW capability will be significantly enhanced by operating the Gripen NG in combination with the Embraer E-99 ERIEYE system.

Advanced Weapons System

Gripen NG has a fully integrated sensor suite with total weapon flexibility and is able to carry weapons sourced from suppliers worldwide. Survivability is assured through a balance between low radar, Infra-Red and visible signatures and a highly advanced modular Electronic Warfare and Self-Protection system.

Support solution

The logistics concept is designed to meet the requirements of the Brazilian Air Force and makes maximum usage of existing Brazilian infrastructure.

The training programme utilizes the existing infra-structure together with synthetic training aids and the Gripen system in order to maximize the training benefit.

Partnership

COMAER and Brazilian industry would become partners with the Swedish Air Force and Saab in the design, development and integration of future technology programmes for the Gripen NG.

Early Brazilian involvement in the Gripen NG design and development will give the Brazilian Air Force and industry unrivalled access to all levels of technology now and for the future.


Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

Offset

The proposal will deliver Offset equal to the contract value. The Offset programme will transfer unique and advanced technologies and know-how to appropriate Brazilian industrial and institutional parties with the objective of developing national capabilities.

Production and Maintenance

The commitment to Brazilian aerospace includes the option for manufacturing of Gripen NG parts and assemblies and Gripen NG Final assembly in Brazil.

The maintenance concept is tailored to meet the requirements and
capabilities of the Brazilian Industry and the FAB through:

• * Establishment of a Gripen NG maintenance centre in
  Brazil ensuring national autonomy
  * Extensive usage of existing Brazilian infra-structure securing cost savings and ensuring commonality

Transfer of Technology

The Transfer of Technology (ToT) programme will guarantee full involvement in future capability development and maximize Brazilian industrial autonomy through the transfer of unique and highly advanced competencies.

The ToT will include:

• * Design, development and integration of hardware, avionics, software and systems on the Gripen NG
  * Transfer of Advanced Technologies and key High-Tech competencies for example Sensor Fusion, Low-Observability (LO) and Stealth.

Saab guarantees unrivalled access to all levels of technology, including full access to Gripen NG source codes.

Continued Enhancement

Gripen Next Generation (NG) is a considerably enhanced version of the already proven and in-service Gripen C/D multi-role fighter.

Designed for combat in the 21st Century Net Centric Warfare (NCW) environment Gripen’s flexible and modular design makes continuous development and enhancement both low risk and cost effective. The Gripen NG programme covers development of all major sensors and avionics including data communication, self-protection systems, weapons integration, as well as airframe and propulsion enhancements.

Continued Growt

Gripen NG is a ’low risk’ platform with a funded ongoing development programme and guaranteed enhancements. The Gripen NG has substantial growth capability which will ensure that Gripen NG meets all future requirements.


http://www.gripen.com

Cof, cof, cof. Que coincidência...

Agora sim.

[]'s

[Bolovo]

evolução das antenas do radar


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Wide-Angle Radar For Gripen NG
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 5/1/2009 1:00 AM CDT

Back around Aero-India, certain of Gripen's competitors (you know who you are) were circulating the rumor that the NG version was in trouble because it didn't have a radar. The demonstrator will fly with a Thales active electronically scanned array (AESA) but the French government and Dassault - now seeing the NG as a competitor in India and Brazil - had blocked the export of a production radar.

By that time, though, it was pretty clear that Saab was talking to Selex - which, back when it was Ferranti, was a partner on the Gripen radar - about its own AESA technology. Saab had also been very clear that the Thales AESA was purely there for test purposes.

Now that the Saab-Selex deal is official, Saab has posted a brochure on the planned radar - showing that it uses the "swashplate" design mooted by Selex some years ago. I discussed it here in connection with Eurofighter.

With a 200 degree field of regard in azimuth and elevation, the swashplate AESA is strong in off-boresight performance, an area where the fixed AESA is weak - because the latter loses performance off-boresight and can't scan more than 120 degrees at all. And it does it all with one mechanical bearing, which is much less highly loaded than the gimbals of a mechanically scanned radar.

In BVR missile engagements, the wide-angle scan allows you to launch a missile and continue to track the target while weaving to make the adversary's shot more difficult. In WVR, it works well with a datalink-equipped high-off-boresight missile. It's also possible to see how it would work in an all-weather or through-weather attack on a moving ground target, allowing the fighter to keep tracking the target (updating a guided bomb in flight) by performing a "pylon turn" around the target's location.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... daa51b1634