Re: Super Hornet News
Enviado: Sáb Mai 09, 2015 8:30 pm
Ou manter as linhas de produção da Boeing abertas até lá.
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Liberals to explore purchase of interim Super Hornet jets
The federal Liberal government says it will “explore the acquisition” of 18 new Boeing-made Super Hornet jets on an interim basis until it can decide on a permanent replacement for Canada’s aging fleet of fighter planes. The government says it plans to discuss the issue with the U.S. and Boeing to determine whether Super Hornets can be procured “at a cost, time, level of capability and economic value that is acceptable to Canada.”
The decision marks what will surely be another controversial turning point in the long, protracted effort to replace the air force’s workhorse CF-18s, which Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan says are long past due for replacement. This past spring, the government had been eyeing the Super Hornets as a stop-gap option until an outcry from industry and the opposition forced them back to the drawing board.
During last year’s election campaign, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised not to purchase Lockheed Martin’s F-35 stealth fighter, long the preferred option of the previous Conservative government. The government has been struggling with how to fulfil that promise for fear any attempt to exclude the stealth fighter from a competition would result in a multibillion-dollar lawsuit.
There is precedent for buying Super Hornets on an interim basis after Australia bought 24 of the aircraft to replace antiquated F-111 jets until newer F-35s were ready.
However, the idea of Canada needing to follow suit was largely dismissed by a government-appointed expert panel and the military’s research branch as too expensive, since the air force would be operating two types of aircraft, demanding different training, infrastructure and supporting equipment.
One key question will be how much the Super Hornets would cost. The Liberals pegged the cost of one F-35 at $175 million and one Super Hornet at $65 million, but those numbers have been repeatedly questioned.
Meanwhile, Kuwait recently announced plans to buy 40 Super Hornets for $13 billion. While the deal includes eight Super Hornets dedicated to electronic warfare, that still works out to $335 million per plane.
At the same time, Denmark is moving ahead with plans to buy 27 F-35s at a cost of $4, which amounts to about $148 million per plane. Even then, both Boeing and Lockheed Martin have said comparisons with other countries do not reveal the true costs for Canada, which would require a different package than other countries. There is also the issue of how much Canadian business would benefit from the decision.
The Liberal government paid $33 million in June to stay within the F-35 program, bringing Canada’s total contribution to $311 million since 1997. The government’s argument for making the payment was to keep Canadian companies in the running for billions of dollars in work, of which they have so far received more than $1 billion.
Industry Canada estimated in December 2014 that Canadian companies could win more than $9.5 billion in work associated with the F-35. Supporters of the F-35 have said such contracts would represent leading-edge work for Canada’s aerospace sector and see them feeding into a global supply chain in support of the stealth fighter.
But the work is also not guaranteed, and Canadian companies would need to compete for each contract. In contrast, Boeing would likely be bound by the government’s long-standing rule that requires foreign companies to re-invest into Canada after winning federal contracts.
The policy has been previously criticized, while critics say any work associated with the Super Hornet would be on old technology. But Boeing indicated in the summer that it could target those required investments by expanding its sizable commercial operations in Canada.
http://ipolitics.ca/2016/11/22/liberals ... rnet-jets/
Rapaz, se o Brasil fosse um país que levasse a sua defesa à serio, a compra de uns 24 desses avioes para a nossa aviacao naval para fazer o papel de superioridade aerea e mantem os 12 A-4BR para missoes de ataque naval. Isto aumentaria muito a nossa capacidade de projecao naval.Carlos Lima escreveu:Video super legal do SHornet... não ficaria infeliz em ver avião desse calibre no Brasil
Sonho meu... sonho meu...
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CB_Lima
Boa noite colega, uma coisa que muito me orgulho é nestes 10 anos que faco parte deste forum nunca ter sido repreendido pela moderacao. Dito isto, nao considero adequado se referir a um produto do mercado internacional tao comprovado em combate como o Super Hornet, como sempre foi compra o pessoal que ficava fazendo piada dos materiais russos e chineses. Nunca me liguei na procedencia do material, pessoalmente acho que uma política de defesa seria deve se atentar um binomio primordial, na qualidade do vetor em questao e nas suas condicoes de aquisicao (no que entraria questoes como a aquisicao de tecnologia sensivel e as condicoes de pagamento, por exemplo).Ilya Ehrenburg escreveu:O escolhido seria o Super Torto, então apareceu na mídia um ser de aparência inexpressiva que atendia por... Snowden.
Rapaz, existe um ja antigo boato de que o Peru estaria pensando em comprar o T-50 russo. Se isto se concretizar mesmo, é capaz de liberarem o F-35 para os paises "aliados" na America do Sul, a questao seriam as condicoes de aquisicao.mmatuso escreveu:F-18 apesar de feio pra cacete seria uma boa escolha.
Gostaria de ver F35 voando com as nossas cores, mas seria mais impossível ainda. rs
Quando estourou o escândalo da NSA não dava mesmo para escolher um caça made in USA...FCarvalho escreveu:O F-18E/F sempre foi, e ainda é, um caça muito bom. Para países com vontade e honestidade de ideias em relação a sua própria defesa.
Alguém já viu isso por aqui?
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Este tipo de situacao so mostra como somos ingenuos frente as grandes potencias, agora mesmo os EUA e/ou a China, ou qualquer pais que precise de uma materia-prima sensivel. Para comeco de historia, computadores com dados sensiveis nao deveriam ser conectados a internet, o governo deveria ter.uma intranet nos seus sistemas sensiveis.Ilya Ehrenburg escreveu:Quando estourou o escândalo da NSA não dava mesmo para escolher um caça made in USA...FCarvalho escreveu:O F-18E/F sempre foi, e ainda é, um caça muito bom. Para países com vontade e honestidade de ideias em relação a sua própria defesa.
Alguém já viu isso por aqui?
abs.
Só para você ter uma idéia: os servidores do MME foram invadidos pela NSA em conjunto com os serviços canadenses (five eyes) e todas as informações geológicas ali armazenadas foram roubadas, ou furtadas, como quiser...
Você vai adquirir de quem lhe espiona, invade e lhe rouba?