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#511 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qua Dez 13, 2017 2:10 pm

SAS to ease entry test to woo women
Female applicants may be required to carry less and be given more time on hill marches


Britain’s special forces are considering modifying their notoriously tough selection tests to ensure women have a “fair” chance of joining the elite units.

It is understood the possible changes will be made to the initial phase of the SAS and SBS (Special Boat Service) selection, which is when recruits are expected to march over hilly terrain carrying increasingly heavy loads. On some of the longer marches, The Sunday Times has learnt, female soldiers may be allowed to carry less weight and will be given extra time to complete the tests.

The changes are being considered because the first female soldiers could apply for special forces selection in just over a year, defence sources say. Soldiers from any unit in the armed forces can apply to join the special forces, although they traditionally recruit heavily from the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marines.

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#513 Mensagem por Clermont » Qui Dez 14, 2017 9:41 am

cabeça de martelo escreveu:(...) to ensure women have a “fair” chance of joining the elite units.
Quando chegar o momento da verdade, veremos se a guerra garantirá às mulheres uma chance "justa" de saírem vivas do combate real.

À propósito, o Senado do Brasil aprovou - ontem, se não me engano - uma lei obrigando a Marinha a admitir a entrada de mulheres em todas as áreas do Corpo da Armada e do Corpo de Fuzileiros Navais.

É nestes momentos em que penso se quatro anos de governo Bolsonaro não valeriam a pena só pelo prazer de varrer do mapa todo este lixo demagógico "politicamente correto" que assola o Brasil.




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#514 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qui Dez 14, 2017 9:57 am

Careerism, cronyism, and malfeasance in the Special Warfare Center
BY SOFREP


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PAVING THE WAY FOR THE FIRST FEMALE GREEN BERET

I hesitate to begin on this axis, but it warrants the most illumination. To be clear, this is in no way a commentary on the debate concerning the efficacy of women serving in Special Forces. The Regiment’s attitude is clear, the debate is a heated one, and both sides of the aisle have documented numerous credible arguments. That is a separate discussion entirely. Regardless of one’s opinion on the topic, a universally accepted truth recognized by all parties is that if women yearn to join the force, they should meet the same standards achieved by those men they wish to serve with. This is where no reasonable person disagrees. No one has said “If they want to join, give them a lower standard so they can join.” Yet this is exactly where the current leadership has taken it upon themselves to inject an end state no one wants, to achieve personal endeavors that benefit no one. They have stated through continuous action and policy implementation that they do not want women to meet the standard. What they want, is to markedly lower the standards enough to ensure that any woman attempting this path will have absolutely no issue achieving it. They have said time and again that they want to maintain the standards, but have continuously lowered, and now eliminated them. Consider the time-line of events:

o June 2015: SFOC has unanimous support at every level of command. Land nav, 12-mile, Swim, and SFPA all in full effect and standards are enforced. Historically all incoming command teams visit each phase of the course to get a capabilities brief. All sections spend time briefing.

o July 2015: Incoming upper-echelon command teams conduct first walk through of 4th Battalion, 3 hours is spent with SFOC cadre determining the ‘viability and value’ of training provided there: A discussion never before tabled. No other phases are visited or brief.

o February 2016: DoD Directive for SOF to integrate women into SOF is mandated down to the lowest levels.

o July 2016: Incoming Group/SWCS command teams conduct first walk-through of 4th BN. Entire time is spent with SFOC cadre determining the ‘viability and value’ of training provided. No other phases brief.

o August 2016: All phases are command directed to provide student critiques of training. Guidance from A Co 1SG is that they are for “leadership input”.

o January 2017: The first female attends SFAS. She is medically dropped during land nav (severe injury during prolonged rucking event).

o January 2017: SFOC student critiques are requested at the SWCS command level, the first time in history.

o February 2017-forward: SWCS level command request only negative feedback critiques from SFOC.

o June 2017: Incoming SWCS command team conducts first walk-through of unit. No phases brief.

o July 2017: 13 SFOC students transported to hospital for training related injuries, five are admitted (injuries during SFOC range from 7-25). ALL SFQC units put on a safety stand-down to “reassess training”.

o July 2017: MG Sonntag dismisses all SFOC testable events. Students will take the physical tests, but they can no longer be relieved for them as they are considered diagnostics. Students can no longer fail SFOC except for Voluntarily Withdrawing or getting injured.

-SUT can only accommodate 120 students so company leadership introduces a point system for the above events to determine the top 120 students who will move forward from SFOC to SUT.

-MG Sonntag conducts an all-command-teams meeting to discuss the way ahead. The point system is disregarded. Instead, SUT is command directed to now accommodate 240 students. The typical SFOC class starts with 160-250 students, so this ensures all students that start SFOC can move on to SUT without isssue now that there are no standards set in place to fail them.

o September 2017: All graded SFQC PT events including the SFPA, APFT, diagnostic APFT’s, and Diagnostic SFPA’s still banned from being conducted.

-Revision introduced that there will be ZERO graded physical events in the SFQC between the months of June and August.

o October 2017: Town hall meeting with cadre: CSM Arrowsmith assures every single cadre present that the standards are not going to be changed, and that the standards will not be lowered. Cadre bring up the issue that removing the gates in SFOC effectively eliminates all standards. He insist that those standards will be moved to language phase. Although there was massive outcry, some semblance of peace was restored when it was insisted that, although the gates had been moved to language and effectively cut the amount of graded events in half, the students would have to pass them AT LEAST ONCE in order to graduate the Q- course. “Standards did still exist.”

o October 2017: A follow up Town hall meeting is called last minute: MG Sonntag used is face time with the cadre to repeat exactly what CSM Arrowsmith said in the previous town hall. He assured the cadre that standards would remain in place.

o November 2017: An ordeal occurs with students in language phase. They are forced to show up for an additional PT formation due to numerous absences (discussed below). After this, a command directive is put out across SWCS: there will no longer be remedial training or physical punishment for student infractions. Only counseling or UCMJ action is to be taken.

o November 2017: The culmination: It has just been announced that graduation for students will be held immediately after they graduate Robin Sage. Language phase is no longer a requirement for graduation. Aside from passing selection, there are LITERALLY no physical gates or standards required of students in order for them to graduate the Special Forces Qualification Course.

This is the state of the entire SFQC as it stands today. Students do not need to be able to pass a 2-mile run at an 80% standard. They do not need to pass a 5-mile run in under 40 minutes. They do not need to be able to pass a 12-mile ruck march in under 3 hours. They are not required to find ANY points during their land nav training and assessment. They do not need to be able to perform 8 pull-ups. They do not need to be able to perform 57 push-ups, or 66 sit-ups. They no longer need to be able to climb a 15 foot rope with weight on. Students are no longer administered any form of physical or administrative punishment. After passing a 19-ish day selection process, there are no physical barriers to earning the coveted Green Beret. These all were standards for EVERY Green Beret in modern history prior to this month. To say that standards have not been eliminated would be laughable, were it not so tragic.

MG Sonntag and COL Kornburger have been transparent in their motivations. The moment they took command, their primary motivation for making changes to the SFQC was to acquire ‘Multi-star Potential’ on their OERs, They pursued this by, first, ensuring that the Q-course graduation rate was raised so they could lay claim to making the Q course more efficient and, second, ensuring that the standards were lowered so as to make certain that the first women able to pass selection would have the best possible chance of making it through the grueling 14 month (at it’s quickest) pipeline practically unimpeded. Being able to say they graduated the first female Green Beret is a milestone no officer (devoid of principles, that is) can possibly pass up. SFOC had the strictest requirements and the highest attrition rate, almost entirely physical in nature. They practically did away with it. They placated cadre, and the force as a whole, with promises of enforcing those standards in language. They assured instructors and battalion leaders that the relief decisions at the board would be supported. But in 85% of all NTR’s or 2 year relief appeals sent to them, they reversed the decision and put them back into training. They set the stage for mediocrity well before they made it official, pulling the rug out from under the force only once all the pieces set in motion 2 years ago were finally in place. There is not a single operator at the battalion level or below in all of SF that thinks this move is a forward one for the Regiment. But those concerns fall on deaf ears.

Although spineless, cowards are smart. They have learned from Ranger School’s previous ordeal. They won’t have to defend (real or perceived, I have no first-hand knowledge of how the female ranger graduates were treated) accusations of “ad hoc” lowering of standards or preferential treatment for women who brave SF training. No, the standards will have been lowered well beforehand. All accusations of preferential treatment or double standards will fall by the wayside when these ‘standards’ set forth have already been deemed the “status quo” well before their arrival. The cruelty of the situation is that any woman with the fortitude to attempt this training would most definitely have wanted the standards to remain the same. It is reasonable to assume they would have wanted to test their metal against the historical standards and ensured they were every bit as capable as the men they aspire to serve next to. It is a point of pride to know you are every bit as capable as the best of the best, IF you can do it. But they have been robbed of the ability to earn that achievement. Knowing there are officially no physical barriers to earning the Green Beret cheapens the experience for everyone involved, including the population it is misguidedly meant to assist.

The fact of the matter is that the Q-course today is markedly, measurably easier to skate through (I do not use that term lightly) than ever before. As long as one shows up for training, there is virtually no way to fail this training. MG Sonntag said it best: “Once they’ve been selected, there is no reason they should fail a single portion of the Q-course.”

He willfully disregards the vital failure rate the Q-course creates by identifying those that were never cut-out for Special Forces. A Green Beret is much more than just a person that can gut-out 19 days of suck. They are intelligent, responsible, mature, clever, work well with others, and capable of adapting to any situation. They embody the SOF attributes. And these attributes are nigh impossible to assess in a 19-day selection, but absolutely critical to discerning before going to a team.

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#516 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qua Mar 07, 2018 12:07 pm

Where are the female Marines?
By: Shawn Snow

Two years after the Defense Department ordered the Marine Corps to open all combat arms career fields to women, less than 100 women have successfully entered those previously male-only jobs.

A total of 92 women are operating in a multitude of combat billets across the Corps, from rifleman to armored reconnaissance to combat engineers.

Yet only 11 enlisted women are serving today in the traditional “03” infantry career fields, Marine Corps officials said. No women have even attempted the Basic Reconnaissance Course or Amphibious Reconnaissance Course, and there are no female snipers, according to data provided by Manpower and Reserve Affairs.

Of the women serving in combat billets, most of them are in less physically demanding roles such as light air defense and artillery, commonly referred to as a non-load bearing job field, according to data obtained by Marine Corps Times.

On the officer side, only one female officer has graduated the grueling Infantry Officer Course and is serving currently as an 0302 infantry platoon commander. A total of 23 female officers are serving in previously restricted combat jobs.

“There is no target number or quota for how many female Marines should be in ground combat fields or units; the focus is on combat effectiveness,” said Maj. Brian T. Block, a Marine spokesperson.

“We are systematically executing the Marine Corps Force Integration Plan.”

Block said the Corps’ approach to gender integration is not just focused on the number of women in combat billets but a force-wide endeavor that includes marketing and recruitment of top female talent and new efforts by the Corps that has male and female recruits training side by side, a first for the Marines.

As the Corps continues to push its gender integration plan it has been resolute on maintaining “standards, while leveraging every opportunity to optimize individual performance, talent, and skills in order to maximize the Corps’ warfighting capabilities,” Block said.

Gender integration is bringing about some growing pains for the Marine Corps. Officially, the Marines want more women in the Corps overall, targeting a goal to make the force 10 percent women by the end of next year.

Yet the number of women who have broken the gender barrier in the Marine Corps’ combat arms remains far fewer than the those in the Army. And many advocates for female service members say the Marines’ numbers paint a disappointing picture of gender integration progress across the Corps.

Still, it’s a historic achievement for the 92 individual women who are now in the Marine Corps combat arms. The groundbreaking cadre of women met unquestionably rigorous standards and personally maneuvered around the cultural barriers they confronted along the way.

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Yet questions persist inside and outside the Marine Corps about whether the service is doing enough to ameliorate barriers to the combat arms and making women feel more welcome.

The Marine Corps has made gestures and policy decisions that appear unwelcoming to women. And that was reinforced by last year’s “Marines United” scandal, when a large online community of male Marines was sharing nude photographs of women, including female Marines.

The Marines were the only branch to ask for a waiver when the Pentagon ended the policy that excluded women from combat jobs. In 2015, the Pentagon’s civilian leaders rejected the Corps request that some jobs remain restricted to men.

That sent a signal to women that they were not welcome in the Corps, said Lorri Manning, a director at the Service Women’s Action Network and retired Navy captain. It “gives women second thoughts, you don’t want to go where you’re not welcome.”

STANDARDS

Few women are even trying to enter the Marine Corps combat arms job field.

Only 51 female recruits entering boot camp during the eight-month period between October 1, 2016, and May 31, 2017, entered with a combat arms job field. Of those, 13 passed the MOS Classification Standard test.

As the initial cadre of women arrived at boot camp, nearly three out of four women were failing new Military Occupation Specialty Classification Standard physical fitness requirements for combat job fields forcing them to be reclassed into other fields, Marine Corps officials said in August 2017.

Yet women who make it through boot camp and pass that initial test are performing well.

After boot camp, Marines take another series of gender-neutral job specific physical fitness tests called the MOS-specific physical standards, or MSPS. These are gender-neutral standards specific to job fields and are taken at the MOS school house.

Nearly 90 percent of women have passed the MSPS standards, Marine Corps officials said.

Nevertheless, more than half the women serving in ground combat billets today are serving in fields with less physical demanding requirements.

On the enlisted side, there are currently six female rifleman (0311), one machine gunner (0331), and three mortarman (0341). Though women have attempted the screening to become a Marine special operator, none have yet passed.

The majority of women have fallen into artillery, combat engineers, and low altitude air defense gunners, where the physical requirements are less stringent.

Though, the Corps has made strides in boosting fitness results of female Marines. The Marines employed certified fitness instructors as part of the Force Fitness Instructor program to help boost knowledge of the science behind physical training.

And efforts by Marine Corps Maj. Misty Posey to help institute a training routine to prepare women to do pull ups in lieu of the traditional flexed arm hang are also bearing fruit as female Marines have seen notable success in the pull-up portion of the PFT, according to the annual report by Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services.

But, by comparison the Army has had fewer problems bringing women into ground combat jobs. Nearly 500 women are serving in various combat billets throughout the Army, officials said.

Moreover, 10 women have graduated from the Army’s grueling Ranger course and one is serving as an officer with a Ranger regiment. Nearly 74 women have graduated from Infantry or Armor Basic Officer Leader’s Course.

One reason for the Army’s success: prior to the opening of combat fields, the Army started pushing women noncommissioned officers and leaders to previously excluded job fields to boost the ranks of female cadre members before new female soldiers entered the infantry schoolhouses. The initiative was known as Leaders First.

The Corps implemented a similar strategy after the Army that saw over 200 female Marine leaders sent to formerly restricted units. An effort the Corps says has been successful.

NEEDED: MORE WOMEN

Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert B. Neller said in late January he wanted to grow the number women in the entire Marine Corps to 10 percent, up from today’s 8 percent female force.

That would likely boost the number of women in the combat arms.

But it’s a lofty goal.

There are only 3,500 slots for women in recruit training, and that limits the Corps’ ability to grow the number of women, Lorri Manning explained.

That limit on the number of beds for women at recruit training at Parris Island, South Carolina, would be mitigated if the Corps fully integrated men and women into the same recruit training programs.

Manning believes that standards can be used to create a perception that women in the Corps are not being put through the same gauntlet as their male counterparts, which ultimately leads to disrespect of female Marines and a treatment of them as second-class Marines.

Manning says the Corps also sends signals that training of male Marines is a higher priority over women that ultimately inhibits a drive to enter physically demanding combat job fields.

The Marines Corps’ culture also has more intangible barriers to female integration, including a tightly-knit social fabric that values comradery and brotherhood amongst male Marines at the expense and sidelining of women, said Nora Bensahel, an expert on defense at American University. Bensahel pointed to the “Marines United” scandal that rocked the Corps last year after revelations about a secretive Facebook highlighted the deep issues within the Corps. It highlighted a Corps as a “culture that devalues women in the ranks.”

“The entire culture of the Marine Corps is a hyper-masculine culture,” said Bensahel.

The Marine United Facebook page distributed thousands of sexual and explicit images of female Marines and some civilians, many without the consent of the victims. Sexually harassing and even violent messages accompanied many of the posts.

Since then, the Corps has updated policies to help police social media misconduct and to aid the Corps in its effort to prosecute those committing offenses.

Those efforts are starting to bear fruit, though maybe not as fast as some like.

A year after Marines United, 119 culprits have been identified, 22 non DoD civilians and 97 Marines.

And prosecutors have taken some of these culprits to town. To date there have been 80 dispositions, seven total courts martial, 14 NJP [ non- judicial punishment], 6 administrative separations, and 28 adverse administrative actions, according to the Judge Advocate Division, HQMC.

GROWING THE RANKS OF WOMEN

To achieve the commandant’s goal of a Marine Corps with 10 percent women by the end of next year, Marine Corps Recruiting Command is ramping up a plan to entice more qualified female Marines.

However, there are a myriad of problems attaining those numbers.

“More than 90 percent of America’s youth are disinterested in military service and less than 8 percent of females are interested in military service,” said Jim Edwards, a spokesman with Marine Recruiting Command.

To hit the 10 percent mark, the Corps needs to ship 3,400 women to recruit training annually. “During FY17, Marine recruiters shipped 3,355 women to entry-level training, which was 8.9% of all new recruits,” Edwards said.

The Corps argues that fallout from Marines United has not impacted any recruitment efforts, and data provided by the recruiting command backs that claim.

On the enlisted side of the house, the Corps managed to recruit 3,355 women in FY17, slightly up from 3,201 from the previous year. The Corps has had steady but tepid growth in the number of female enlisted Marines each year since FY 2013.

The swings in the officer pool have been much smaller. FY17 saw 166 females officer recruits, slightly up from 149 in FY 2013. On average, female officer recruits are hitting just over 9 percent out of all recruits on average.

But the Marines are still short of their mark. That’s why Recruiting Command has embarked on an aggressive marketing blitz targeting women.

“We have increased the amount of female-inclusive and female-specific marketing and advertising initiatives to generate awareness about what it means to be a Marine and to highlight opportunities for women in the Marine Corps,” Edwards said.

Some of those initiatives include reflecting on the inclusiveness of Marine occupational specialties, and portraying female Marines more accurately. And updating websites to remove gender-qualifying language.

In 2014 the Corps began sending direct mail to female high school juniors and seniors, something they used to only do for males. Now more than 30 percent of that mail targets female high school students.

And in 2017, the Corps released its “Battle Up” commercial, inspired by the “Battles Won” campaign. It was the first Marine Corps commercial with a female lead.

“These commercials feature women in a more authentic and representative manner alongside their male counterparts and clearly communicates who we are as Marines, what we do in support of our Nation’s interests, and why it should be important and aspirational to our country’s citizens.” Edwards said in an emailed response to Marine Corps Times.

The Corps is also targeting athletic women in sports programs in high school and college to best recruit women that can meet the rigorous physical requirements across all job fields. That includes evolving partnerships with USA Rugby and the National Wrestling Coaches Association.

“Notably, about 10 percent of all youth wrestlers are female and that number continues to increase,” Edwards said.

“These are resilient individuals who know how to fight and win.”

“We remain steadfast in our commitment to ensure that the men and women who earn the title “Marine” will be ready, and will provide America with an elite crisis-response force that is ready to fight and win,” Block said.

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#517 Mensagem por Clermont » Sex Abr 06, 2018 3:41 pm

Ao que parece, as mulheres do vôlei - atletas profissionais - estão receosas de enfrentarem uma transgênero. Acreditam que estão em desvantagem física competindo por pontos numa quadra de esportes.

Então, a pergunta que não quer calar é: de que maneira mulheres comuns podem esperar conseguir igualdade física lutando pela vida num campo de batalha contra homens?





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#518 Mensagem por Lywis » Sex Abr 06, 2018 4:13 pm

Acho que podemos dizer que tiro de mulher mata igual tiro de homem!




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#519 Mensagem por Clermont » Sex Abr 06, 2018 5:38 pm

Lywis escreveu:Acho que podemos dizer que tiro de mulher mata igual tiro de homem!
Muitos ex-combatentes afirmam que dar tiros no inimigo é a parte menor do tempo que se gasta no campo de batalha. E a que menos desgasta o físico do soldado.

Achar o inimigo; fixá-lo; manobrar contra ele e, então, liquidá-lo e o processo que exaure o corpo e a mente do combatente.




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#520 Mensagem por Lywis » Sex Abr 06, 2018 5:45 pm

Sim, e não vejo como uma mulher com preparo físico não venha dar conta disso, não é briga de quebra-braço, é guerra. O IDF sabiamente já passou da fase de estar discutindo isso e tem mulheres na sua infantaria, até hoje continua sendo um dos exércitos mais eficientes do mundo.




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#521 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Sáb Abr 07, 2018 7:18 am

Lywis escreveu:Sim, e não vejo como uma mulher com preparo físico não venha dar conta disso, não é briga de quebra-braço, é guerra. O IDF sabiamente já passou da fase de estar discutindo isso e tem mulheres na sua infantaria, até hoje continua sendo um dos exércitos mais eficientes do mundo.
Salvo erro são três batalhões de Infantaria mistos que por norma estão nas zonas menos quentes... não é propriamente a mesma coisa que os Exércitos da OTAN onde não há praticamente qualquer restrição nem unidades especificas para elas ou qualquer outra "minoria". Já em Israel o que não faltam são batalhões deste género, uns mistos como o Batalhão Caracal, outros com Judeus Ortodoxos, outros com...

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#523 Mensagem por cabeça de martelo » Qui Mai 17, 2018 10:09 am

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Re: Mulheres... outra vez...

#524 Mensagem por Viktor Reznov » Qui Mai 17, 2018 1:12 pm

Lywis escreveu: Sex Abr 06, 2018 5:45 pm Sim, e não vejo como uma mulher com preparo físico não venha dar conta disso, não é briga de quebra-braço, é guerra. O IDF sabiamente já passou da fase de estar discutindo isso e tem mulheres na sua infantaria, até hoje continua sendo um dos exércitos mais eficientes do mundo.
A infantaria feminina da IDF só existe pra inglês ver, em tempo de conflitos elas são manobradas propositadamente pra longe de qualquer zona de combate pra evitar baixas e o associado desgaste de relações públicas que seria uma soldado capturada por terroristas do Hezbolah e estuprada na frente de câmeras. Soldados Israelenses com os quais já conversei atestam que elas são completamente incompetentes, fisicamente fracas e absolutamente desajeitadas, basicamente uma de cada 20 "soldadas" consegue se comparar à infantaria masculina.




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Re: Mulheres... outra vez...

#525 Mensagem por Clermont » Dom Mai 20, 2018 9:42 am

Viktor Reznov escreveu: Qui Mai 17, 2018 1:12 pm(...) Soldados Israelenses com os quais já conversei atestam que elas são completamente incompetentes, fisicamente fracas e absolutamente desajeitadas, basicamente uma de cada 20 "soldadas" consegue se comparar à infantaria masculina.
"As convocadas cumprem um período de instrução de quatro semanas, numa base de treinamento particular, sob enquadramento totalmente feminino. Coisa curiosa, os únicos homens nessas bases são os cozinheiros, porque os israelenses consideram que o rancho é uma ocupação que demanda esforços musculares demasiados para uma moça."

CAIRE, Raymond - A Mulher Militar - Das Origens aos Nossos Dias. Rio de Janeiro, BIBLIEX, 2002
Ou seja, mulheres israelenses não são consideradas capazes de carregar os panelões de comida quente nos ranchos dos quartéis, mas alguns acreditam que elas podem carregar armas pesadas, equipamento, munição e coisa e tal no meio de um combate contra o Hezbollah... :roll:




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