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Zavva escreveu:O Governo Federal criou uma espectativa tão grande em torno da transferencia de tecnologia, que isto esta dificultando o anuncio do F-X2.
Como o governo agora vai justificar o Rafale sem isso ?

Vocês que defendem este mitos, deveriam se dar conta que não estão ajudando o Rafale em nada.
O Jobim até mudou o discurso dizendo que os franceses são os unicos que podem transferir tecnologia da maior parte da aeronave, e vai ser com este discurso que o Rafale será anunciado, dentro do campo das possibilidades, pois os franceses não irão transferir o que o Sarkozy prometeu.

Outro ponto que a gente não tem como rastrear, é quais tecnologias são fabricadas na França sob licensa americana.

Quem viver verá...

Abs

Zavva escreveu:

Bender escreveu: Este é o tópico das repetições.

SDS.

Não aberta da forma como você esta entendendo. É uma arquitetura aberta, pois ela permite rodar vários sistemas operacionais e ser replicada por fabricantes autorizados.

Senão qualquer um faria os chips e processadores de alta performance.
Existem outros aspectos como controle de temperatura, nanotecnologia, envolvidos na fabricação deste processadores, que são segredos industriais.
Não se pode colocar processadores lentos, ou que não suportem grandes variações de temperatura interna ou externa, em produtos como caças.

Gostaria que fosse tão simples assim.

Abs

Zavva escreveu:

Penguin escreveu:
Wikileaks:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/235141

Exemplo de componente americano no Rafale:

Digital Signal processing of Airborne Radars

Radars, and more sharply Signal Aperture Radars (SAR), digital processing systems needs an association of powerful processing nodes and efficient data interfaces to sustain both the high throughput data flows delivered by the sensors and computing nodes. In airborne application, the constraints of minimum of weight, high temperature of operation, as well as immunity to shocks and vibrations are added to the intrinsec performance in signal processing. The Kontron‘s 6U VME PowerNode5 has been chosen both in UAV major program and in the Rafale fighter by fitting all the high requirements while offering market standard RapidIO high speed switch fabric and dual PowerPC970FX processing powerful necessary for Digital Signal Processing.

Site do fornecedor: http://emea.kontron.com/industries/mili ... ackmounts/

Clicar na aba Application History e procurar a palavra "Rafale" .

The PowerPC 970, PowerPC 970FX, PowerPC 970GX, and PowerPC 970MP, are 64-bit Power Architecture processors from IBM introduced in 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_970

Tem sempre algum componente americano em algum lugar, gostemos disso ou não.
Esta neurose não vai nos levar a lugar algum.

Abs

Zavva escreveu:O Governo Federal criou uma espectativa tão grande em torno da transferencia de tecnologia, que isto esta dificultando o anuncio do F-X2.
Como o governo agora vai justificar o Rafale sem isso ?

Vocês que defendem este mitos, deveriam se dar conta que não estão ajudando o Rafale em nada.
O Jobim até mudou o discurso dizendo que os franceses são os unicos que podem transferir tecnologia da maior parte da aeronave, e vai ser com este discurso que o Rafale será anunciado, dentro do campo das possibilidades, pois os franceses não irão transferir o que o Sarkozy prometeu.

Outro ponto que a gente não tem como rastrear, é quais tecnologias são fabricadas na França sob licensa americana.

Quem viver verá...

Abs

Sweden 'tricked' in failed Norway Gripen bid
Published: 3 Dec 10 08:06 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Share9 Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.


•Anger over Norway's fighter plane rejection (21 Nov 08)
•Saab loses Norway fighter plane tender (20 Nov 08)
•Papers shoot down proposed Gripen sale to Norway (2 May 08)
Citing US diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports that Norway’s supposed interest in the Gripen was just a show.

Norway ultimately decided to purchase the US-made Joint Strike Fighter/F-35 combat aircraft in a deal reportedly worth 55 billion kronor ($7.9 billion).

At the time, Norway's choice of the American plane over the Gripen angered a former Saab executive.

"We are really surprised about how this was handled, what happened yesterday, and about the justification," Jan Nygren, who served as Saab’s deputy CEO until two years prior to the decision, told the TT news agency at the time.

"And besides, we are just a tad surprised to say the least that they so unabashedly chose to criticize the Gripen, despite the fact that all of us involved know that the Gripen is a better fit for the functional demands laid out in the documentation included in the proposal request."

According to Aftonbladet, the United States threw a spanner in the works of the Gripen deal by stopping the export of an American-made radar component for use on the Swedish plane.

The prelude to the snub included a 2008 meeting between Sweden’s defence minister Sten Tolgfors and the US ambassador at the time, Michael Wood.

During the meeting, Tolgfors asked for permission to buy the American-made Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system for the Gripen.

But documents released by WikiLeaks describe how the Americans worked to scuttle the Swedes’ radar request.

“We suggest that we delay the decision about the ASEA-permit for the Gripen until after Norway’s decision,” read one US diplomatic cable, according to Aftonbladet.

The newspaper writes that the US embassy in Oslo also placed a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway following negative reports about the F-35 in the Norwegian press.

After the call, prospects for the F-35 brightened; Norwegian politicians gave signals that made the United States confident its plane would win the Norwegian tender. But the Americans were careful not to claim that the aircraft purchase was a done deal before Norway announced its decision.

“We must continue to act like an honourable and elegant competitor,” read a cable from the US embassy in Oslo.

Swedish defence minister Sten Tolgfors refused to comment on the details of the leaked documents, saying he had no plans to contact the Norwegian government to find out exactly what happened with the failed Gripen deal.

“No, I’m not going to do that for the simple reason that when the decision came [about Norway’s choice of aircraft] we had had wide-ranging contacts with the Norwegian government, as well as with experts, because we needed to understand the valuation that Norway had made. It was important because we own and we push and will continue to push to own the Gripen plane for many years,” Tolgfors told TT.

Håkan Juholt, chair of the Riksdag’s Committee on Defence, and former chair in Sweden’s defence commission, believes the government has been naïve.

“I’ve always had suspicions that it was something other than the price and performance that was decisive in this deal,” he told TT, adding that it’s obvious that the tender wasn’t a questions of fair play.

“The Swedish government has been naïve,” he said, adding that a Swedish defence minister who a sitting US ambassador repors as loving the United States should perhaps not be seen as the toughest opponent one can have in a negotiation.


TT/The Local/dl (news@thelocal.se)

Marino escreveu:Para que esta discussão?
Na semana que vem a novela acabou.
Estes argumentos todos agora são de torcida no botequim.

cb_lima escreveu:Para quem gosta de Gripen NG e o Wikileaks...

http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Sweden 'tricked' in failed Norway Gripen bid
Published: 3 Dec 10 08:06 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Share9 Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.


•Anger over Norway's fighter plane rejection (21 Nov 08)
•Saab loses Norway fighter plane tender (20 Nov 08)
•Papers shoot down proposed Gripen sale to Norway (2 May 08)
Citing US diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports that Norway’s supposed interest in the Gripen was just a show.

Norway ultimately decided to purchase the US-made Joint Strike Fighter/F-35 combat aircraft in a deal reportedly worth 55 billion kronor ($7.9 billion).

At the time, Norway's choice of the American plane over the Gripen angered a former Saab executive.

"We are really surprised about how this was handled, what happened yesterday, and about the justification," Jan Nygren, who served as Saab’s deputy CEO until two years prior to the decision, told the TT news agency at the time.

"And besides, we are just a tad surprised to say the least that they so unabashedly chose to criticize the Gripen, despite the fact that all of us involved know that the Gripen is a better fit for the functional demands laid out in the documentation included in the proposal request."

According to Aftonbladet, the United States threw a spanner in the works of the Gripen deal by stopping the export of an American-made radar component for use on the Swedish plane.

The prelude to the snub included a 2008 meeting between Sweden’s defence minister Sten Tolgfors and the US ambassador at the time, Michael Wood.

During the meeting, Tolgfors asked for permission to buy the American-made Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system for the Gripen.

But documents released by WikiLeaks describe how the Americans worked to scuttle the Swedes’ radar request.

“We suggest that we delay the decision about the ASEA-permit for the Gripen until after Norway’s decision,” read one US diplomatic cable, according to Aftonbladet.

The newspaper writes that the US embassy in Oslo also placed a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway following negative reports about the F-35 in the Norwegian press.

After the call, prospects for the F-35 brightened; Norwegian politicians gave signals that made the United States confident its plane would win the Norwegian tender. But the Americans were careful not to claim that the aircraft purchase was a done deal before Norway announced its decision.

“We must continue to act like an honourable and elegant competitor,” read a cable from the US embassy in Oslo.

Swedish defence minister Sten Tolgfors refused to comment on the details of the leaked documents, saying he had no plans to contact the Norwegian government to find out exactly what happened with the failed Gripen deal.

“No, I’m not going to do that for the simple reason that when the decision came [about Norway’s choice of aircraft] we had had wide-ranging contacts with the Norwegian government, as well as with experts, because we needed to understand the valuation that Norway had made. It was important because we own and we push and will continue to push to own the Gripen plane for many years,” Tolgfors told TT.

Håkan Juholt, chair of the Riksdag’s Committee on Defence, and former chair in Sweden’s defence commission, believes the government has been naïve.

“I’ve always had suspicions that it was something other than the price and performance that was decisive in this deal,” he told TT, adding that it’s obvious that the tender wasn’t a questions of fair play.

“The Swedish government has been naïve,” he said, adding that a Swedish defence minister who a sitting US ambassador repors as loving the United States should perhaps not be seen as the toughest opponent one can have in a negotiation.


TT/The Local/dl (news@thelocal.se)

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Penguin escreveu:
Enquanto uns gritam e esperneiam outros pesquisam e mostram a realidade.
São os tais tijolinhos que o Ministro da Defesa Hervé Morin mencionou:



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According to IBM the new 90um die shrink of the PowerPC 970 (new revision is called 970FX) cuts the power consumption pretty severely. Previously the 1.8GHz 970 used 51 Watts whereas now the 2.0GHz 970FX uses only 24.5 Watts.

At 1.4GHz it's only 12.3 Watts, I can see a Powerbook upgrade pretty soon...

Another change in the 970FX the bus speed which has risen to 1.1GHz from 1.0GHz (giving 8.8 GigaBytes per second).

Intel on the other hand are having the opposite problem, their die shrink is sending power consumption UP. The major difference seems to be IBMs use of SOI (Silicon On Insulator) which is preventing transistor current leakage, Intel are not using SOI so are suffering as a result, not that they appear to care.

According to rumours a while back the 970FX could go to 3GHz now if IBM wanted it to, the older 970 can go up to 2.5GHz but sucks something like 90W in the process. I'd guess the new revision could do 3GHz but it's power useage will be something in the same region.

Future is looking good for the PowerPC.

cb_lima escreveu:Para quem gosta de Gripen NG e o Wikileaks...

http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Sweden 'tricked' in failed Norway Gripen bid
Published: 3 Dec 10 08:06 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Share9 Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.


•Anger over Norway's fighter plane rejection (21 Nov 08)
•Saab loses Norway fighter plane tender (20 Nov 08)
•Papers shoot down proposed Gripen sale to Norway (2 May 08)
Citing US diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports that Norway’s supposed interest in the Gripen was just a show.
(...)

TT/The Local/dl (news@thelocal.se)

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CB_Lima

cb_lima escreveu:Para quem gosta de Gripen NG e o Wikileaks...

http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Sweden 'tricked' in failed Norway Gripen bid
Published: 3 Dec 10 08:06 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Share9 Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.


•Anger over Norway's fighter plane rejection (21 Nov 08)
•Saab loses Norway fighter plane tender (20 Nov 08)
•Papers shoot down proposed Gripen sale to Norway (2 May 08)
Citing US diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports that Norway’s supposed interest in the Gripen was just a show.

Norway ultimately decided to purchase the US-made Joint Strike Fighter/F-35 combat aircraft in a deal reportedly worth 55 billion kronor ($7.9 billion).


TT/The Local/dl (news@thelocal.se)

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CB_Lima

Não aberta da forma como você esta entendendo.