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talharim escreveu:Essa CS é um engodo uma farsa..............afirmo insistentemente que se não fosse os EUA na região o titio Kim teria tomado Seul em 2 dias.

A raça forte dos Koreanos tá la no norte.

Cara, os amarelinhos do Sul fecham o mar na hora que eles quiserem.

Só com os SW (T214) eles travam aquilo, já ultrapassa em décadas a capacidade dos manolos comunas.
Sem falar dos KDX-II e III.

Acho que pelo menos um KDX-III já está ativo.

Sei não, desconfio seriamente da capacidade de qualquer escolta ser efetiva contra submarinos em águas costeiras, e ainda existe o risco de misseis terra-mar.

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PRick escreveu:

jumentodonordeste escreveu:
Cara, os amarelinhos do Sul fecham o mar na hora que eles quiserem.

Só com os SW (T214) eles travam aquilo, já ultrapassa em décadas a capacidade dos manolos comunas.
Sem falar dos KDX-II e III.

Acho que pelo menos um KDX-III já está ativo.

Sei não, desconfio seriamente da capacidade de qualquer escolta ser efetiva contra submarinos em águas costeiras, e ainda existe o risco de misseis terra-mar.

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ROKN tem uma capacidade ASW única na área. Não daria nem chance para os submarinos KPANF.
Mísseis terra-mar são perigosos mesmo, mas sozinhos eles não fazem milagre.
Se limparem o mar, ADEUS TIO KIM.

Mas isso não vai dar em nada não, só tensão mesmo.
Sempre assim.

jumentodonordeste escreveu:

PRick escreveu:
Sei não, desconfio seriamente da capacidade de qualquer escolta ser efetiva contra submarinos em águas costeiras, e ainda existe o risco de misseis terra-mar.

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ROKN tem uma capacidade ASW única na área. Não daria nem chance para os submarinos KPANF.
Mísseis terra-mar são perigosos mesmo, mas sozinhos eles não fazem milagre.
Se limparem o mar, ADEUS TIO KIM.

Mas isso não vai dar em nada não, só tensão mesmo.
Sempre assim.

Não é bem assim. Submarinos são armas muito astutas, e nas mãos de quem sabe o que fazer com um deles, afunda qualquer coisa que bóie.

Quanto as armas terra-mar, basta pegar com os sistemas desligados, ou em uma área onde a topografia ajude. É uma arma que depende de N fatores, mas se todos eles, pode ser até por sorte, estiverem ali na tua frente, bau bau.

Um abraço!

Bom, se vocês estão dizendo.
Eu sei que um conflito não é uma coisa exata, não é como uma disputa de Super-Trunfo.
Mas EU não consigo pensar em nenhum cenário de conflito convencional em que o CN ganhe da CS, pelo menos em capacidade tecnológica.
Mas sei que isso não vence um conflito sozinho.

Visão da Yonhap.

S. Korean Navy ship sinking in Yellow Sea: officials

South Korean Navy ship was sinking off the west coast near its maritime border with North Korea, officials here said Friday,
Officials also said South Korea fired a shot at an unidentified vessel toward the North.

The 1,500-ton ship carrying 104 crew members went down around 9:45 p.m. near a South Korean island in the Yellow Sea, prompting an emergency meeting of security-related Cabinet ministers.
Seoul's Navy officials refused to give details, but said a South Korean vessel fired at a ship toward the North later in the evening, indicating possibilities of a possible torpedo attack from the North. Local residents reported having heard gunfire for about 10 minutes from 11 p.m.
"The ship appears to have begun sinking after an explosion at the rear of the ship," the Navy said in a statement. "We have been unable to find the exact cause of the incident as of this moment."
The Navy said it has rescued 58 crew members during an ongoing rescue operation, but fears some may have died.
North Korea has said in recent weeks it is bolstering its defense in response to joint South Korean-U.S. military drills that were held this month.
The North Korean army conducted dozens of artillery firing drills earlier Friday, according to Seoul's military officials.

xiiiiii. O bicho vai pegar, hein!

Corsário01 escreveu:xiiiiii. O bicho vai pegar, hein!

Link da noticia em jornal da Coreia do Sul...

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/?cloc=home|gn|jdaily

Muitas jovens vidas perdidas... Tristeza.

romeo

Na verdade eles ainda estão em Guerra. Só um cessara fogo é que esta acertado.

Site Defesa Brasil - Notícias do dia 27/03/2010

EUA e Rússia fecham acordo para reduzir arsenal nuclear - http://tinyurl.com/yagdvkx

Esquadrão VF-1 treina em Natal - http://tinyurl.com/y8qbtxg

Secretário de Defesa dos EUA vem ao país negociar parceria - http://tinyurl.com/yakuj92

Navio da Marinha sul-coreana afunda perto da Coreia do Norte - http://tinyurl.com/yf58ry2

Bom dia a todos!

New York Times

SKorean Naval Ship Sinks Near NKorea; 40 Missing

Filed at 8:44 p.m. friday

SEOUL, South Kore- a (AP) -- Word that a South Korean naval ship sank in the tense waters around the disputed maritime border with communist North Korea set off panic: The president convened an emergency meeting and the military dispatched a fleet of ships.

Five hours later, 58 sailors had been pulled to safety but some 40 others were missing, reports said. There was no indication early Saturday that North Korea was to blame for the ship's demise, but troops kept a vigilant watch.

Seoul's panic attack -- hours after North Korea's military threatened ''unpredictable strikes'' against the U.S. and South Korea -- highlighted the fragility of peace on the divided Korean peninsula.

The two Koreas remain locked in a state of war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953.

Since then, the two Koreas have fought three bloody skirmishes in the Yellow Sea waters. And in January, North Korea fired about 30 artillery rounds not far from Baeknyeong; the South Korean military fired 100 warning shots in response.

The 1,200-ton ''Cheonan'' was on a routine patrolling mission near South Korea's Baeknyeong Island on Friday night with 104 crew members on board when the ship began taking on water, Rear Adm. Lee Ki-sik of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters.

Unidentified military officials told South Korea's Yonhap news agency that an explosion tore a hole into the rear hull, shutting off the engine, wiping out the power and quickly taking the ship down. A number of crew members jumped into the water, Yonhap said.

Six naval ships and two coast guard vessels, as well as helicopters and ambulances, rushed to save the crew, Yonhap and military officials said. Troops scanned the skies for an attack, at one point firing shots at what officials later speculated was a flock of birds.

President Lee Myung-bak, meanwhile, convened a late-night emergency meeting with his defense minister and other top military officials. After three hours, and no conclusion about what caused the ship to sink, they agreed to meet again Saturday, presidential spokesman Lee Dong-kwan said.

President Lee ordered the military to focus on the rescue operation, he said.

Nearby Baeknyeong Island, four hours by boat from the South Korean port of Incheon but just 10 miles (20 kilometers) from North Korea, was turned into a triage center, with islanders helping to treat injured crew members, according to cable network YTN.

A naval official told Yonhap there were deaths among the sailors, and YTN said some 40 crew members were missing. However, military officials told the AP they could not confirm deaths, and said 58 sailors had been rescued, with two airlifted for emergency medical treatment.

The waters around Baeknyeong island are rocky, and some senior government officials speculated that the sinking may have been an accident, not an attack, South Korean media said.

''It's looking more and more like it was just an accident that happens on a ship,'' Carl Baker, an expert on Korean military relations at the Pacific Forum CSIS think tank in Honolulu, said by telephone.

He said Pyongyang was unlikely to attack the far more powerful South Korean military.

''The South Koreans are so much more capable these days than the North that it would be difficult for the miscalculation to happen because I think the North understands its lack of ability,'' he said.

Entrevista do CM para a revista Proceedings:

Admiral Julio Soares de Moura Neto - Brazilian Navy


The world economic crisis has had an impact on virtually everyone. Proceedings asked the commanders of the world's navies: The global economic downturn is obviously affecting the United States and its Navy. How is it affecting your navy's maritime strategy, operation, and force structure?
Admiral Julio Soares de Moura Neto—Brazilian Navy

According to our governments budget evaluation, Brazil was one of the last countries to suffer the impact of the global economic crisis of 2008 and one of the first to recover from its consequences.

Naturally, the impact of the crisis on the Brazilian Navy (BN) was the result of budgetary restrictions imposed by the government. In 2008, these did not affect the accomplishment of any BN missions, either in previously announced investments or in the continuation of routine activities.

In 2009, however, there were significant restrictions. Because of decreased tax revenue—about 20 percent across the whole country—the government needed to reduce budgetary allocations to the same level, imposing an adjustment of 23.4 percent for the navy.

Consequently, the Brazilian Navy adjusted its budget planning except for mandatory expenses and those that would jeopardize commitments to law enforcement in Brazilian waters, search-and-rescue operations in maritime areas under Brazilian jurisdiction, and combined exercises with friendly navies and international exchange programs.

Therefore, the navy compensated in future programs and the scheduled maintenance of ships and aircraft. Construction of some ships has been postponed, and plans to acquire others were delayed. Maintenance periods of some ships and aircraft have been extended. Naturally, there was some impact on exercises and operations scheduled for 2009.

The effect of the economic crisis did not last the whole year. At the beginning of the last four months of the year, the government announced that it had been successful in its crisis containment measures and was able to increase the budget to a higher level, but still far from the one initially foreseen. Thus, during the last months of 2009 the Brazilian Navy budget recovered about half of its projected cuts with a year-end loss of 11.2 percent. Consequently, it was possible to reinstate future programs and proceed with scheduled repairs.

Finally, the prospects for 2010 are good for overcoming the effects of the global economic crisis, and the navy's budget should be higher than last year's. As a result, the needs of the National Defense Strategy will be met according to its established timetable.

Site Defesa Brasil - Notícias do dia 29/03/2010

Obama promete vitória às tropas americanas no Afeganistão - http://tinyurl.com/ybd9ohs

Soldado é libertado pelas Farc com ajuda do Brasil - http://tinyurl.com/yanon3j

França faz primeiro disparo do míssil Exocet Block 3 a partir de um navio - http://tinyurl.com/y8j7oeu

Com setor bélico deficiente, Rússia compra armas - http://tinyurl.com/yemfuxl

Com vocação para servir - http://tinyurl.com/yb2b4wa

Bom dia a todos!

Site Defesa Brasil - Notícias do dia 1/04/2010

Argentina investiga estatal Aerolíneas por suborno - http://tinyurl.com/yaz7h5d

Refém mais antigo das Farc é libertado em iniciativa que teve participação do Brasil - http://tinyurl.com/yejpq4e

Brasil discute com EUA criação de base no Rio - http://tinyurl.com/yexwovy

Hospital de Campanha da Marinha no Chile atinge a marca de mais de 6.200 consultas realizadas - http://tinyurl.com/yc9dhd6

Bombardeio mata dirigente das Farc - http://tinyurl.com/y8a3zp6

Avião dos EUA cai no Golfo Pérsico após ação de apoio no Afeganistão - http://tinyurl.com/yb45zs4

Na Austrália, Boeing e RAAF dão boas vindas aos Super Hornet - http://tinyurl.com/yaldrzd

Bom dia a todos!

Podem ter U-X, KD-X, muito bonitos, sofisticados... Mas Tio Kim tem nukes... Logo... olha o Kim: =