Marinha da Austrália

[knigh7]

Os bastidores do negócio foram interessantes.

Já o do lado francês foi mais simples: o Macron ficou sabendo, jogou uma taça de cristal na parede, colocou as mãos na cabeça e gritou: NÃÃÃÃOOOOO













Na verdade, não foi assim. Foi mais francês mesmo:

[gabriel219]

Francês se fodendo alegra meu dia!

[knigh7]

Brasileiro não sabe quem são os presidentes da França. Mas o Macron é exceção. E não gostam dele (exceto a turminha globalista...)

[knigh7]

O Governo australiano não aceitou ficar na defensiva:



Declaração do Primeiro-Ministro:

"We had deep and grave concerns that the capability being delivered by the Attack-class submarine was not going to meet our strategic interests and we had made very clear that we would be making a decision based on our strategic national interest," he said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/19/aust ... index.html

[P44]

Austrália defende-se da fúria francesa. "Não me arrependo de pôr o interesse nacional em primeiro lugar"

Primeiro-ministro australiano compreende o desapontamento francês com o fim do contrato para a compra de submarinos, mas justificou: "Não me arrependo de ter posto o interesse nacional em 1º ligar"

https://observador.pt/2021/09/19/austra ... lugar/amp/

[Brasileiro]

Me lembrei do outro caso em que franceses ficaram chupando o dedo, como no FX2 da FAB, em que o Rafale chegou até mesmo a ser anunciado como vencedor.

Mas no caso atual, isto configura quebra de contrato, não?

[knigh7]

O Governo Australiano terá de pagar multa. É importante ressaltar que o Primeiro-Ministro australiano declarou que se o contrato fosse quebrado posteriormente o valor da multa seria proibitivo.
Alguns jornais australianos reportaram que a multa é de AUD 400 milhões, já os franceses reportam que é de 1 400 M€ .
Ela deve ficar entre os dois valores.

[J.Ricardo]

Me lembrei do outro caso em que franceses ficaram chupando o dedo, como no FX2 da FAB, em que o Rafale chegou até mesmo a ser anunciado como vencedor.

Em breve veremos Macron atacando o extermínio dos povos nativos e dizendo que a soberania australiana da grande barreira de corais é relativa...

[knigh7]

E atacando os incêndios sazonais florestais também de lá

[P44]

French MoD Setting The Record Straight On Australian Submarine Affair

The spokesperson of the French Ministry of Defense (MoD), Hervé Grandjean, took to Twitter today to set the record straight on the "Australian submarine affair".

Xavier Vavasseur 21 Sep 2021

Australia last week announced its intention to acquire at least eight nuclear-powered submarines (SSN) as part of an enhanced trilateral security partnership between Australia, the UK and the US dubbed AUKUS. This announcement also means the end of the Attack Class Submarine Program which sparked a major diplomatic crisis between France and its three allies.

For the record, the Australian Government selected Naval Group (then known as DCNS) as its preferred international partner for the design of 12 Future submarines for the Royal Australian Navy on April 26 2016. In the SEA1000 project, DCNS was competing with the Shortfin Barracuda design against Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) Type 216 and Japan’s Soryu-class designs. Based on the new Barracuda nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN) of the French Navy (the first ship has already been delivered), Australia’s Attack-class submarine was set to be 97 meters in length and 8.8 meters in diameter. Lockheed Martin was announced as the Future Submarine Combat System Integrator in September 2016 and the Design Build and Integration Contract was signed 12 January 2018.

The recently cancelled Attack-class program was set to see the first of twelve new submarines start construction in 2023 and be delivered in the mid-2030s. The new plan under the AUKUS initiative aims at starting to build the first of at least eight SSNs from the 2030ies.

In this context, Hervé Grandjean, spokesman of the French Mod published today a long and detailed thread on Twitter:

In the last few days, everything and its opposite has been said about the Australian submarine contract. The safety of Australians and the performance of our industrialists deserve better than peremptory statements. A #thread to better understand the Australian submarine affair.

— Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (@HerveGrandjean) September 21, 2021
France and submarines are a serious business.

Over the past 120 years, France has built more than 250 submarines, including more than 230 conventional-powered ones. The feedback in terms of engineering and know-how is considerable.

The French project benefited directly from the technological assets of the Suffren nuclear attack submarine, as well as from Naval Group’s expertise, gained from numerous Scorpene programs sold for export (Chile, Malaysia, India, Brazil)

In many ways, the performance of the Attack submarine offered by France to the Australians was better than that offered by a nuclear submarine. Why?

Particularly in terms of acoustics, the discretion of a conventional submarine remains under certain circumstances paradoxically better than that of a nuclear submarine: a conventional submarine does not have a permanent cooling system for its reactor in operation.

The silent speed (at which a submarine can listen without being detected) was particularly high thanks to the pump-jet technology, that very few countries master.

The submarine proposed to Australia was of oceanic class, meaning it had very high autonomy and range capabilities.

France and Australian submarines: the customer is king

In 2009, the Australian Defence White Paper, two years after the start of the Collins replacement project, already said: “The Government has ruled out nuclear propulsion for these submarines”.

In August 2021, the joint press release of the French and Australian defense and foreign affairs ministers still stated, “Ministers underlined the importance of the Future Submarine program.”

On the same day as the AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine’s achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract.

Returning to the surface to recharge the batteries is inherent to a diesel-electric submarine. This was the Australian request.

A nuclear submarine has, by nature, a greater projection capability than a conventional submarine. The planned tonnage of the SM Attack (between 5,000 and 6,000 tonnes) was large enough to provide the projection capability required for Australian naval operations.

The Australian choice: bad news for… the Australians.

The first Attack submarines were to be delivered by 2030. With this new AUKUS partnership, it will be more like 2040. That’s a long time, when you see how fast China is militarizing…#FastIsBeautiful

According to a June 2021 Congressional Research Service report, the production costs of the last two Virginia SSNs ordered (35th and 36th) would be $6.91 billion, or $3.46 billion per unit (€2.95 billion). Much more expensive than a French Barracuda for example…#GoodManagement

The September 17 announcement indicates that the nuclear submarines will be built in Australia. But Australia says it does not want a nuclear industry, neither civilian nor military. #Coherence

Are we to understand that the United States will provide complete nuclear boiler rooms to be integrated into submarines, with teams of American technicians to ensure commissioning, maintenance and perhaps even operation? #Sovereignty

Investments in infrastructure capable of hosting nuclear submarines in Australia, necessary to prevent any environmental risk, will be expensive and complex. #Complexity

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ne-affair/

[P44]

Australia in talks to lease, buy existing subs​

September 23, 2021, by Fatima Bahtić

The Australian government will be in discussions to lease or buy the existing submarines from the US and UK in the next 12 to 18 months, Australia’s Minister for Defence Peter Dutton revealed.

The information was confirmed in a transcript released by the defence ministry three days ago. Last week, the government announced its plans to build at least eight nuclear-powered submarines under a new Indo-Pacific security partnership with the United States and Britain, AUKUS.

Nuclear powered submarines have superior characteristics of stealth, speed, maneuverability, survivability and substantial endurance compared to the conventional ones. These abilities allow nuclear-powered submarines to operate in contested areas with a lower risk of detection.

The first initiative under AUKUS is for Australia to acquire nuclear-powered submarine technology, focusing on identifying the optimal pathway to deliver the submarines.

https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/09/23/a ... ting-subs/

[knigh7]

Mais 12 SeaHawks (antiga denominação) para a Marinha australiana:

[P44]

[FCarvalho]

Esses U$ 985 milhões por 12 Sea Hawks são em dólar australiano ou americanos?
Tanto um quanto outro dão uma mostra do tamanho do desafio que é modernizar a aviação de asa rotativa da MB.
E ainda temos várias lacunas para cobrir.

[knigh7]

https://www.defesanet.com.br/naval/noti ... ubmarinos/