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Os porta-aviões ingleses já são coisa para 2018/2020

Mas vem cá, o ingleses não entraram no Programa do F-35B, exatamente, para poderem ter eles nos novos NAe´s, como vai ficar então? Vão usar eles nos Invecibles, os caras já não estão aposentando eles? Tudo culpa do Iraque.

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Os ingleses estão no momento concentrando esforços nos Asute e Daring cerca de 2 unidades de cada a mais devem ser encomendados.

PRick escreveu:Mas vem cá, o ingleses não entraram no Programa do F-35B, exatamente, para poderem ter eles nos novos NAe´s, como vai ficar então? Vão usar eles nos Invecibles, os caras já não estão aposentando eles? Tudo culpa do Iraque.

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Sem (mais) drama. Os Biffies(by Tugas) vão ter que extender a vida operativa dos Invincible, até 2018/20.

A coisa na Europa está feia. Os Britânicos que não conseguem começar a construir os seus dois Queen Elizabeth e os Françuá(by Morcego) que não conseguem uma hélice/eixo descente para seu único PA.

Os espanhóis estão aí para salvar o velho mundo.

E o São Paulo acabou ficando com o eixo e o melhor hélice.

Em tempo:

O Comandante do Scirocco ficou assustado com a possibilidade de ficar sem navio, quando foi indagado sobre a venda do mesmo para a MB.

Mais news em breve!!!!

Corsário01 escreveu:E o São Paulo acabou ficando com o eixo e o melhor hélice.

Em tempo:

O Comandante do Scirocco ficou assustado com a possibilidade de ficar sem navio, quando foi indagado sobre a venda do mesmo para a MB.

Mais news em breve!!!!

Que tragam um hélice sobresalente, que o eixo nóis dá conta.

cicloneprojekt escreveu:

PRick escreveu:Mas vem cá, o ingleses não entraram no Programa do F-35B, exatamente, para poderem ter eles nos novos NAe´s, como vai ficar então? Vão usar eles nos Invecibles, os caras já não estão aposentando eles? Tudo culpa do Iraque.

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Sem (mais) drama. Os Biffies(by Tugas) vão ter que extender a vida operativa dos Invincible, até 2018/20.

A coisa na Europa está feia. Os Britânicos que não conseguem começar a construir os seus dois Queen Elizabeth e os Françuá(by Morcego) que não conseguem uma hélice/eixo descente para seu único PA.

Os espanhóis estão aí para salvar o velho mundo.

Além do Iraque, UK tem um problema adicional, sua economia é a que está mais atrelada aos EUA, e portanto, está sofrendo muito mais o impacto da crise.

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segundo os conservadores britânicos, o UK estaria perto da bancarota

The United Kingdom's Future Nuclear Deterrent Capability


(Source: House of Commons Public Accounts Committee; issued March 19, 2009)



Edward Leigh MP, Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, today said: "The Ministry of Defence's ability to maintain continuous at sea nuclear deterrence from 2024, when two of the current Vanguard class submarines will have gone out of service, is open to doubt.

"The Department's timetable for completing the design and build process for the replacement submarines is extremely tight. It has 17 years to do it, even though the Department itself accepts that such a process usually cannot be completed in under 18. The MOD's track record in delivering major defence projects on time is not exemplary.

"The MOD must make absolutely fundamental decisions about the design of the new submarines by September of this year. These include the main design features; whether to develop a new type of nuclear reactor requiring substantial research and development; and, crucially, the design and size of the missile compartment.

"The problem is that a decision on the size of the missile compartment in the new submarines will have to be taken in advance of the development by the United States of a missile to succeed the current Trident D5. In other words, our programme to have a renewed nuclear deterrent will depend on yet to be taken decisions by the US on the dimensions of the successor missile. The MOD is taking steps to reduce the risk of a new missile not fitting in our submarines, but there is no guarantee it will."

Mr Leigh was speaking as the Committee published its 11th Report of this Session which, on the basis of evidence from the Ministry of Defence (the Department), examined making important decisions, managing dependence on the United States and managing the programme effectively.

The United Kingdom first deployed a submarine-launched nuclear deterrent in 1968. Since then, successive governments have been committed to a policy of continuous at sea deterrence, meaning that at least one nuclear-armed submarine is on patrol at any one time. In its 2006 White Paper, the Government announced its intention to maintain the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent capability and set out its plans to build a new class of submarines to replace the current Vanguard fleet and to participate in the United States' Trident D5 ballistic missile life extension programme.

The Department's ability to sustain its nuclear deterrent capability in the future is dependent on collaboration with the United States. The new class of submarine is likely to remain in service beyond the extended life of the existing Trident D5 missile, which will be renewed in 2042, and must therefore be compatible with any successor missile developed by the United States. The Department has received a series of assurances from the United States that any new missile will be compatible with the United Kingdom's new submarine class. Nevertheless, the concern remains that the Department has no direct control over the development of the new missile.

The future deterrent programme is still at the concept phase. The Department has yet to make many decisions about the principal parameters of the submarine design, the type of nuclear reactor, and the design and size of the missile compartment. The Department expects to make these decisions by September 2009. To respond to an already challenging timeline, the Department plans to overlap the submarine's design and construction phases.

The Strategic Deterrent Programme Board is chaired by the Senior Responsible Owner, who is responsible for coordinating the delivery of the future deterrent. In order to succeed, the Senior Responsible Owner must maintain strong relationships across other departments to ensure that he delivers the capability that the government as a whole requires. He must draw on performance management information that is still evolving and operate in the context of a challenging commercial environment, characterised by monopoly suppliers.


Click here for the full report (35 pages in PDF format) on the UK Parliament website.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 50/250.pdf

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Warnings of Future Trident Issues


(Source UK Ministry of Defence; issued March 19, 2009)



Some media outlets have reported that the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has said that Britain's ability to maintain its Trident nuclear deterrent is 'open to doubt' with an 'extremely tight' timetable to design, build and replace the missile-carrying submarines.

It has also been reported that the American-built missiles that will arm the British submarines may be the wrong size.

Quentin Davies, Minister for Defence Equipment and Support, said: "Our ability to maintain the Trident nuclear deterrent is not in doubt. Although I recognise that the timelines are challenging, I remain very confident that we will deliver a new submarine on time and maintain our continuous at-sea deterrence.

"The Committee has misunderstood the situation regarding missiles and missile compartments (Emphasis added--Ed.) in the new US and British submarines. These are certain to be compatible because the missile compartments in both boats will share the same basic design. A significant amount of work has already been completed on both of the potential propulsion options and a decision is currently on course for September 09.

“I will publish a full response to the PAC report following more detailed consideration of its findings."

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O quarto SSN da classe Astute em ritmo forte de construção :

O melhor submarino do mundo simplesmente.

HMS AUDACIOUS

enquanto isso, a RAF continua a tentar lixar a RN....

NAVY READY FOR BATTLE OVER RAF BID TO DROP CARRIERS
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HOTTING UP: Navy ready to fight RAF bid

Sunday April 12,2009
By Tracey Boles

SENIOR members of the RAF are on a collision course with the Royal Navy after privately proposing that the Ministry of Defence drop one of its two planned aircraft carriers in a bid to balance the books.


Other RAF money-saving ideas are believed to include cancelling both carriers, and retiring the Harrier early.

The two carriers ordered under the Queen Elizabeth-class CVF programme are projected to cost £4 billion. They will carry 66 state-of-the-art fighter jets made by America’s Lockheed Martin called Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), and form the backbone of the future Navy.

The MoD is under pressure to find cost savings as it grapples with a funding deficit of £2 billion a year. However, cancelling a ship could cost up to £2 billion because all parts have already been ordered. The powerful warships, due to enter service later this decade, are also expected to sustain or create 10,000 jobs.

A senior industry source said: “There is a tussle going on between the RAF and Navy. They are positioning ahead of any change in Government.”

An MoD spokesperson said: “As part of a regular planning round decisions are being considered on a range of measures. Announcements will be made in due course.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/946 ... p-carriers

Ministry Of Defence: Type 45 Destroyer


(Source: House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts; issued June 23, 2009)



Edward Leigh MP, Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, today said: "The Type 45 destroyer is an impressive and sophisticated piece of air defence naval weaponry, based largely on new technology. Our Committee saw for itself just how advanced the ship is in terms of manoeuvrability and speed. But the risks to the successful delivery of the Type 45 were poorly judged.

"Persistent over-optimism and underestimation of the technical challenge, combined with inappropriate commercial arrangements, led to burgeoning costs and serious delays.

"It is encouraging though to hear that the Department appears to be applying the lessons from the Type 45 project and its actions to turn the project around to its programme to procure the two aircraft carriers.

"HMS Daring, the first of the six Type 45s, will not now enter service until the end of 2009, over two years late and £1.5 billion over the original budgeted cost. What is disgraceful is that it will enter service with not one of its main anti-air missiles having been fired from the ship - and it will not be fully operational until 2011. The fleet of Type 45s will not have their full capability until well into the next decade. As a result, the existing Type 42 destroyers are having to be patched up and kept in service for longer.

"In the Committee's view, there are two deeply worrying implications for the UK's air defence capability. One is our having to rely for a number of years on ageing vessels designed and built for the Cold War. The other is that, even when the full complement of six Type 45s is fully operational, this number of new destroyers falls short of the 12 originally planned and then eight subsequently proposed, making it very difficult for the MOD to meet its requirement of having five ships at sea at any one time."

Mr Leigh was speaking as the Committee published its 30th Report of this Session which, on the basis of evidence from the Ministry of Defence, examined capability provided by the Type 45 Destroyer, the reasons for the cost increases and delays on the project, and the lessons learnt for the Carrier project and support contract.

The Type 45 Destroyer is being procured to form the backbone of the Royal Navy's air defence capability for the next 30 years, and will provide a very impressive capability compared to the Type 42 Destroyers which is it designed to replace. There have been a number of problems on the project, meaning it will enter service over two years late and £1.5 billion over its original budget.

The Department has had to extend the life of the Type 42 Destroyers for longer than originally planned as a result of the delays to the Type 45. These ships are increasingly expensive to maintain, provide a more limited capability than the Type 45 and are more vulnerable to the most up to date threats from a modern enemy.

The Department originally planned to buy 12 ships. However, because of reduced threat, revised planning assumptions and an intended improved network capability, this number shrunk to eight and eventually just six. Despite this, the Department's requirement to have five ships at sea at any one time remains unchanged. It will be more challenging for the Department to meet this requirement with only six ships.

The problems on the Type 45 project result from the Department's failure to take sufficient account of the technical risks involved in such a complex project in its estimates of the likely costs and timescales to deliver, or in the commercial construct which it agreed, which led to a poor relationship with industry. Following a far-reaching review of the project, the contract was renegotiated in 2007, and there have been no further cost increases or delays since then.

Although the Type 45 will enter service in 2009, it is a disgrace that it will do so without a PAAMS missile having been fired from the ship, and will not achieve full operational capability until 2011. Other equipments and capabilities which will enhance the ship's ability to conduct anti-air warfare operations will not be fitted until after the ship enters service in some cases.

It is essential that the Department learns the lessons from both the failures and successes on this project, and applies them to its other programmes such as the Carrier, if it is to avoid a repeat of the cost overruns and time delays that have been a feature of so many of its major Defence projects. The Department also needs to apply the lessons in taking forward its longer-term support arrangements for the Type 45, which have yet to be finally agreed.


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MoD Responds to PAC Report Into Type 45 Destroyers


(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued June 23, 2009)



The MoD today issued an initial response to the Public Accounts Committee’s (PAC) report into the Type 45 Destroyer programme.

The Minister for Defence Equipment and Support, Quentin Davies, said:

“I welcome this report by the Public Accounts Committee. They rightly recognise that the Type 45 will provide the Royal Navy with a world class military capability, and they note the improvements made on the programme over the last two years.

“The Type 45 will be the largest, most powerful air defence destroyer ever built for the Royal Navy. It will set new standards in air defence, capable of defending its company from multiple attacks from the most sophisticated anti-ship missiles and aircraft.”

“The MoD will now carefully consider the Committee’s detailed conclusions and recommendations and make a full response in due course”.

On the report’s criticism that the Sea Viper missile system will not have been fired from a Type 45 Destroyer prior to the ship entering service, the Minister said:

“By the time she enters service, the Type 45 will already have proven a level of anti-air warfare performance significantly higher than any other ship. Against this background the government is surprised and disappointed that the Committee does not recognise the extensive trials that have taken place. In these circumstances, the use of the word ‘disgrace’ obviously makes no sense at all and is absurd.”

The prime role of the Type 45 Destroyer will be Air Defence: protecting UK national and allied/coalition forces against enemy aircraft and missiles.

Of the six Type 45 Destroyers, four ships are in the water (Daring, Dauntless, Diamond and Dragon) while the other two vessels (Defender and Duncan) will be launched in late 2009 and 2010 respectively. The First of Class - HMS Daring - is currently completing final MOD managed Trials and Acceptance activity prior to entering service with the Royal Navy in 2010. The remaining ships will enter service progressively through to the middle of the next decade.

The PAC has now published its own report and a detailed MoD response will be submitted later in the year via a Treasury minute.


BACKGROUND NOTES:
1. The PAC report follows an audit undertaken by the National Audit Office (NAO) into the Type 45 Destroyer programme. The NAO published its own report in Mar 09. The PAC took evidence from the MoD to discuss the NAO report’s findings on 23 March 2009.

2. The prime role of the Type 45 Destroyer will be Air Defence: protecting UK national and allied/coalition forces against enemy aircraft and missiles. It will carry the world-leading Sea Viper Missile System (formerly known as the Principal Anti-Air Missile System - PAAMS) including the UK designed Sampson multi-function radar.

In addition to its word class Air Defence capability, one of the Type 45’s greatest assets is its versatility. The Type 45 will be able to act as a base platform for a deployable Headquarters, from which to Command operations. It is the only platform of its size in UK defence able to do this and will result is an improvement in our expeditionary capability. The Type 45 will be able to embark up to 60 troops (over and above its own complement) and their equipment, and support them with a modern medical facility that can deliver surgical capability. Type 45 also has a large flight deck that can accommodate Helicopters up to and including the size of a Chinook. The ship can also take up to 700 people if necessary to support a civilian evacuation from war zones or natural disasters.

the Type 45 warship prime contractor is BVT Surface Fleet Ltd. Assembly and launch takes place at the company’s Govan shipyard in Glasgow. The bow sections, masts and funnels for the ships were built in Portsmouth.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... siles.html

mais problemas para a guarda costeira inglesa....

Royal Navy targeted for more cuts

The Royal Navy faces the prospect of further deep and painful cuts to its capabilities this year as part of an MoD wide initiative to balance the budget. According to various defence sources with knowledge of the current planning round, the Royal Navy and RAF are together considering cutting the Joint Harrier Force, while the Navy may scrap some of its Type 42 destroyers earlier and delay the Future Surface Combatant (FSC) by up to 20 years.

Each service will be expected to make drastic sacrifices in order to meet the £2bn cut coming to the defence budget next year. But the Royal Navy is rumoured to be among the biggest losers.

The MoD has refused to comment on planning round discussions and everything is speculation at the moment. Completely axing the Harrier force would be a drastic and dramatic step but it seems unlikely at this point unless the MoD is also planning to cut the new aircraft carriers from the budget. Without the Harrier Force the current carriers would not have any fixed wing aircraft for operations until 2018 when the Joint Strike Fighter comes into service.

Cutting a few of the Type 42 Destroyers is a possibility, but completely axing all of them from the fleet in the next few years is also unlikely. The Type 45 Destroyers are slowly coming into service so a complete cut to the Type 42 fleet would leave the Navy with a major capability gap for up to five years.

As a compromise the Navy may agree to bring forward the out of service dates on one or two of the ships.

Delays to the FSC seem the most likely at the moment. The MoD has repeatedly refused to give details of an FSC timeline and requirements. It is unclear what they actually want in terms of a replacement for the Type 22 and 23 frigates and how many they will need. Ministers have said that decisions will be taken in the next few years and have avoided questions from MPs on the subject.

As a result the Type 22 and 23s will have their lives extended which could prove to be more costly in the long run due to the need for major upgrades and maintenance programmes to keep the ships afloat.

http://www.militarium.eu/article.aspx?ID=2513

PRick escreveu:Mas vem cá, o ingleses não entraram no Programa do F-35B, exatamente, para poderem ter eles nos novos NAe´s, como vai ficar então? Vão usar eles nos Invecibles, os caras já não estão aposentando eles? Tudo culpa do Iraque.

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E quem garante que o F-35B ficará operacional em 2018...

em 2018 os F-35 provavelmente aterram num bote a remos...