Fórum Defesa Brasil

Luís Henrique escreveu:Não deveríamos.

Afinal muitos não o fazem quando compram um carro, porque deveríamos agir assim com a Defesa Nacional?

DSA escreveu:Oh meu cara eu andei de Fiat, ford, alfa romeo e cansei de gastar dinheiro com os mecanicos

comprei um mercedes C de 1995 ja fiz 100 000 nele tem agora 300 000km e mantem a mecanica como nova e continua rolando sem problemas.

é gasolina, oleo e filtros, nao tem gasto mais nada!

espero fazer 1 milhão de kilometros nele!
as vezes comprar usado sai mais barato mesmo

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Vamos ver como ficam as coisas depois da Índia escolher o caça mais caro e ruim das galáxias.

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Nem mais caro, nem pior, nem nada.

Caro é aquilo que compramos e não nos serve perfeitamente, dentro das nossas necessidades.

O Gripen seria caríssimo para a Índia, mesmo custando 1/10 de qualquer caça.
Não cumpre as missões como se quer, e numa guerra deixaria o país capado em suas capacidades, isso sim é extremamente caro.

O conceito de caro e barato é extremamente relativo.

DSA escreveu:Oh meu cara eu andei de Fiat, ford, alfa romeo e cansei de gastar dinheiro com os mecanicos

comprei um mercedes C de 1995 ja fiz 100 000 nele tem agora 300 000km e mantem a mecanica como nova e continua rolando sem problemas.

é gasolina, oleo e filtros, nao tem gasto mais nada!

espero fazer 1 milhão de kilometros nele!
as vezes comprar usado sai mais barato mesmo

Carlos Mathias escreveu:Nem mais caro, nem pior, nem nada.

Caro é aquilo que compramos e não nos serve perfeitamente, dentro das nossas necessidades.

O Gripen seria caríssimo para a Índia, mesmo custando 1/10 de qualquer caça.
Não cumpre as missões como se quer, e numa guerra deixaria o país capado em suas capacidades, isso sim é extremamente caro.

O conceito de caro e barato é extremamente relativo.

Morocco awarded France a contract worth around €350 million (US$420 million) two years ago to overhaul the Moroccan Air Force's mixed fleet of 27 Mirage F1CH/EH fighter aircraft. The contract, signed during a visit by former French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to Rabat on 26-27 September 2005, involves renovating the airframes and avionic suite of the aircraft delivered to the Sherifian kingdom in the late 1980s by Dassault Aviation.

By Jean-Michel Guhl
in Paris, France

The 2007 Paris Air Show gave Astrac — the joint-venture created in November 2005, at the French Ministry of Defence's request, by Thales and Sagem Défense Sécurité (SAFRAN) — an opportunity to show what the new company is all about: high-level all-round upgrade refurbishing of third generation fighters.
Capitalizing on the current Royal Air Forces of Morocco’s program for the modernisation of its entire Mirage F1 fleet (a total of 27 remaining Mirage F1CH and EH), Astrac exhibited a complete offer, including two central computers, SIGMA-type GPS-hybrid navigation systems (both developed by Sagem Défense Sécurité), MICA EM and IR air-to-air missiles provided by MBDA. For this retrofitting solution, Thales is contributing with a RDY3 multi-function radar, a Damocles day/night laser designation pod, a PAJ FA type pod for electronic warfare self-protection and a radar Warning Receiver (RWR). The different units interface via a 1553 bus. 8)
For the air-to-air mission, the multi-function/multi-target radar can be used to fire MICA and Magic 2 missiles. To meet air-to-ground mission requirements, Astrac offers Sagem Défense Sécurité’s standoff AASM air-to-ground modular weapon supported by a mission preparation system by Sagem Défense Sécurité and a debriefing systems from Thales. The weapon can be complemented by laser guided weapons using the Damocles laser designation pod.
Astrac offer, which is compatible with NVGs, also includes a 'zero-zero' ejection seat and a latest-generation glass cockpit MMI with Hands on Thottle and Shift (HOTAS) controls. As an option, the system can also be complemented by a system for deploying anti-ship weapons, such as MBDA’s Exocet AM 39.
Ideal for air forces facing strong budget constraints, the Astrac modernising solution offers added value to a fighter-bomber like the Mirage F1, an aircraft which still in operational with a dozen air arms where it provides good service thanks to the reliability of its single Snecma Atar 9K50 turbojet.
Sold in about 740 copies to eleven different countries, the Mirage F1 is still in operational service today in Ecuador, France, Jordan, Libya, Spain and Morocco. A batch of those once belonging to South Africa (Mirage F1AZ) have meanwhile been sold to Gabon, about a dozen of Iraq's Mirage F1EQs 'given' by Saddam Hussein to Iran while those of Kuwait are stored and those of Qatar sold to Spain. Greece's Elleniki Polemiki Aeroporia's last Mirage F1s were retired two years ago and replaced by Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2s, the final batch of which is now being delivered by Dassault-Aviation, thus marking the end of production for the Mirage 2000 too.
So far, only the Mirage F1s of the Spanish Air Force have been fully modernised by Thales and EADS to an extent comparable with the Astrac endeavour. While about a dozen Libyan Air Force Mirage F1s are due to be modernised by Dassault-Aviation. Therefore, the modernisation market for the Mirage F1 is still very open