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O que há de interessante nesse F-35?
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Nossa! A Itália com todo o seu know-how com aeronaves de combate teve que se contentar com as asas. Fico pensando, será que para nós sobrariam os rebites?!Carlos Lima escreveu:O que há de interessante nesse F-35?
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Artigo interessante sobre a escalada dos custos das novas aeronaves...
USAF faces cost conundrum with F-35, KC-46 and LRS-B
20 JANUARY, 2016 BY: JAMES DREW WASHINGTON DC
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -b-420997/
In 1986 during the so-called Reagan Build-up, $12 billion delivered 387 new combat aircraft to the US military. Today, that amount buys fewer than 80.
As the secretary of the air force has put it many times, the US military is on the losing side of the cost curve – with few aircraft coming in, and cuts, cuts and more cuts just to pay the bills. In terms of aircraft, USAF is smaller today than at any point since it split from the army in 1947.
And although an F-35 armed with modern, precision-guided weapons is far superior to the fighters of the 1980s, USAF officials contend that the number of airframes still remains important.
This month marks the 25th anniversary of Operation Desert Storm – arguably the greatest display of combat airpower in history. Now, the air branch is reminiscing about how mighty it once was.
“At the time of Desert Storm, we had 134 combat squadrons in the US air force. Today we have 55,” says service secretary Deborah Lee James at a CSIS conference in Washington DC last week. “That’s 134 to 55 in 25 years. We had 8,600 aircraft. Today, it’s 5,400 aircraft. Yet, I would submit that we’re busier than we’ve ever been because we’re all over the world, globally engaged.”
This imposition has been highlighted again this week by aerospace analyst Richard Aboulafia of Teal Group, speaking at a National Aeronautic Association forum in Washington DC.
“In the last peak around fiscal years 2010-2011, we purchased about 75 [tactical aircraft] for the same amount of money [as in 1986]. Oh dear, that’s really not good,” he explains. “Last year, the administration found a way to simply inject a lot more cash into it and buy a lot more airplanes, with 11 more F-35s and a dozen [F/A-18] Super Hornets and [EA-18G] Growlers. This is a positive outcome, [but] does it solve the problem? Hell no.”
Military planners face four choices, Aboulafia explains: spend more money on airplanes; cut force structure to fund modernisation; keep “carrot feeding” old jets; or accept a hollow force. “None of these choices are good,” he says.
The US government’s upcoming fiscal year 2017 budget submission should contain some details about the way forward, and there’s already talk of trading surface ships for more front-line fighter jets – pointing to more funds, not a fix.
The navy is poised to keep buying Boeing F/A-18E/Fs from the St Louis, Missouri plant, throwing the programme a “life raft,” says Aboulafia. This, he says, is a hedge against sole dependence on the Lockheed Martin F-35C for recapitalisation, since F-35s cost more per unit. But, that economic decision could crumble unless Boeing secures more export deals, namely to Kuwait and Canada.
If production drops below two aircraft per month, costs could rise. “If the navy wants to do one per month, that means either costs rise really fast or they have to find export customers,” Aboulafia says.
Despite an upbeat assessment of the defence sector following a two-year budget deal and return to growth in 2016, Aboulafia cautions against this unit cost imbalance and a looming budgetary “bow wave” – where the F-35 and Northrop Grumman-won Long- Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) would cannibalise each other for funding. Boeing’s KC-46A tanker would probably be protected because it’s a fixed-price contract and a good deal for the government.
“If the top line does not grow from about $12 billion to $16 billion in a couple of years, then the competitive tension will be between the new bomber and F-35,” Aboulafia warns.
USAF faces cost conundrum with F-35, KC-46 and LRS-B
20 JANUARY, 2016 BY: JAMES DREW WASHINGTON DC
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -b-420997/
In 1986 during the so-called Reagan Build-up, $12 billion delivered 387 new combat aircraft to the US military. Today, that amount buys fewer than 80.
As the secretary of the air force has put it many times, the US military is on the losing side of the cost curve – with few aircraft coming in, and cuts, cuts and more cuts just to pay the bills. In terms of aircraft, USAF is smaller today than at any point since it split from the army in 1947.
And although an F-35 armed with modern, precision-guided weapons is far superior to the fighters of the 1980s, USAF officials contend that the number of airframes still remains important.
This month marks the 25th anniversary of Operation Desert Storm – arguably the greatest display of combat airpower in history. Now, the air branch is reminiscing about how mighty it once was.
“At the time of Desert Storm, we had 134 combat squadrons in the US air force. Today we have 55,” says service secretary Deborah Lee James at a CSIS conference in Washington DC last week. “That’s 134 to 55 in 25 years. We had 8,600 aircraft. Today, it’s 5,400 aircraft. Yet, I would submit that we’re busier than we’ve ever been because we’re all over the world, globally engaged.”
This imposition has been highlighted again this week by aerospace analyst Richard Aboulafia of Teal Group, speaking at a National Aeronautic Association forum in Washington DC.
“In the last peak around fiscal years 2010-2011, we purchased about 75 [tactical aircraft] for the same amount of money [as in 1986]. Oh dear, that’s really not good,” he explains. “Last year, the administration found a way to simply inject a lot more cash into it and buy a lot more airplanes, with 11 more F-35s and a dozen [F/A-18] Super Hornets and [EA-18G] Growlers. This is a positive outcome, [but] does it solve the problem? Hell no.”
Military planners face four choices, Aboulafia explains: spend more money on airplanes; cut force structure to fund modernisation; keep “carrot feeding” old jets; or accept a hollow force. “None of these choices are good,” he says.
The US government’s upcoming fiscal year 2017 budget submission should contain some details about the way forward, and there’s already talk of trading surface ships for more front-line fighter jets – pointing to more funds, not a fix.
The navy is poised to keep buying Boeing F/A-18E/Fs from the St Louis, Missouri plant, throwing the programme a “life raft,” says Aboulafia. This, he says, is a hedge against sole dependence on the Lockheed Martin F-35C for recapitalisation, since F-35s cost more per unit. But, that economic decision could crumble unless Boeing secures more export deals, namely to Kuwait and Canada.
If production drops below two aircraft per month, costs could rise. “If the navy wants to do one per month, that means either costs rise really fast or they have to find export customers,” Aboulafia says.
Despite an upbeat assessment of the defence sector following a two-year budget deal and return to growth in 2016, Aboulafia cautions against this unit cost imbalance and a looming budgetary “bow wave” – where the F-35 and Northrop Grumman-won Long- Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) would cannibalise each other for funding. Boeing’s KC-46A tanker would probably be protected because it’s a fixed-price contract and a good deal for the government.
“If the top line does not grow from about $12 billion to $16 billion in a couple of years, then the competitive tension will be between the new bomber and F-35,” Aboulafia warns.
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Norwegian F-16 pilot with some interesting comments on aerial warfare and the F35:
http://blogg.regjeringen.no/kampfly/...net/#more-1050
Since the article is written in Norwegian, I will give a brief summary of what I found most interesting:
From his experience with the F-16, having a helmet sight and missiles to take advantage of it makes the pilot less reliant on superior maneuverability in a dog fight. An aircraft with low RCS and good electronic countermeasures will also be detected at shorter ranges, than an aircraft that is lacking in these departments provided they have the same radar.
The F-35 can operate at altitudes 10-15 000 feet higher than the F-16 and it has 30-70 % more combat range since it carries much of its fuel and weapons internally (good for aerodynamics). It also has a cruise speed that is 50-80 knots higher, which means that it can fire its missiles quicker since it doesn't have to accelerate that much (high speed = more range for the missile).
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Test Report Points to F-35’s Combat Limits
Jan 31, 2016 Bill Sweetman | Aviation Week & Space Technology
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The Block 2B version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which the Marine Corps declared operational in July last year, is not capable of unsupported combat against any serious threat, according to Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation (DOT&E). In a 48-page annual project report to be published shortly, a copy of which was obtained by Aviation Week, the DOT&E states that “the F-35B Block 2B aircraft would need to avoid threat ...
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The Block 2B version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which the Marine Corps declared operational in July last year, is not capable of unsupported combat against any serious threat, according to Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation (DOT&E). In a 48-page annual project report to be published shortly, a copy of which was obtained by Aviation Week, the DOT&E states that “the F-35B Block 2B aircraft would need to avoid threat ...
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A coisa continua feia para o programa F-35...
A Closer Look At DOT&E Report on F-35
(Source: compiled by Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Feb 02, 2016)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... 7i%3E.html
(Updated Fab 03, 2016)
PARIS --- One-third bigger than the 2014 report, which suggests the number of problems continues to increase, the annual report of the Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) reveals new and serious shortcomings discovered in the Lockheed Martin F-35 program during the past year.
We published our initial comments (scroll down to Editor’s Note)on the report on Feb. 01, together with the reaction issued by the F-35 Joint Program Office on Jan. 29 – even before the report was released.
This statement, signed by JPO chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan, claims that “There were no surprises in the [DOT&E] report; all of the issues mentioned are well-known to the JPO, the U.S. services, international partners and our industry team,” which is patently wrong judging by the coverage the report’s contents have prompted in less than 24 hours.
Below is a selection of trade press coverage of the DOT&E report, which was publicly released by the Pentagon on Tuesday, Central Europen Time. and which is available here, on our website.
This is our selection of the report’s coverage:
Test Report Points to F-35’s Combat Limits
Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan 31, 2016
By Bill Sweetman
The Block 2B version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which the Marine Corps declared operational in July last year, is not capable of unsupported combat against any serious threat, according to Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation (DOT&E).
In a 48-page annual project report to be published shortly, a copy of which was obtained by Aviation Week, the DOT&E states that “the F-35B Block 2B aircraft would need to avoid threat engagement… in an opposed combat scenario, and would require augmentation by other friendly forces.”
Most of the same limitations will apply to the U.S. Air Force’s initial operational capability (IOC) version, the F-35A Block 3i. “Since no capabilities were added to Block 3i, only limited corrections to deficiencies, the combat capability of the initial operational Block 3i units will not be noticeably different.”
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Also, the Marines accepted several substantial flaws in their IOC standard, causing problems with the way that the “performance and accuracy of mission systems functions,” including the aircraft’s data fusion system and radar performance, were displayed to the pilot.
Specific technical problems continue to impose speed and maneuver limitations on the F-35, the report says.
(end of excerpt)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/ar ... E_2015.pdf
A Closer Look At DOT&E Report on F-35
(Source: compiled by Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Feb 02, 2016)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... 7i%3E.html
(Updated Fab 03, 2016)
PARIS --- One-third bigger than the 2014 report, which suggests the number of problems continues to increase, the annual report of the Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) reveals new and serious shortcomings discovered in the Lockheed Martin F-35 program during the past year.
We published our initial comments (scroll down to Editor’s Note)on the report on Feb. 01, together with the reaction issued by the F-35 Joint Program Office on Jan. 29 – even before the report was released.
This statement, signed by JPO chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan, claims that “There were no surprises in the [DOT&E] report; all of the issues mentioned are well-known to the JPO, the U.S. services, international partners and our industry team,” which is patently wrong judging by the coverage the report’s contents have prompted in less than 24 hours.
Below is a selection of trade press coverage of the DOT&E report, which was publicly released by the Pentagon on Tuesday, Central Europen Time. and which is available here, on our website.
This is our selection of the report’s coverage:
Test Report Points to F-35’s Combat Limits
Aviation Week & Space Technology, Jan 31, 2016
By Bill Sweetman
The Block 2B version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which the Marine Corps declared operational in July last year, is not capable of unsupported combat against any serious threat, according to Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation (DOT&E).
In a 48-page annual project report to be published shortly, a copy of which was obtained by Aviation Week, the DOT&E states that “the F-35B Block 2B aircraft would need to avoid threat engagement… in an opposed combat scenario, and would require augmentation by other friendly forces.”
Most of the same limitations will apply to the U.S. Air Force’s initial operational capability (IOC) version, the F-35A Block 3i. “Since no capabilities were added to Block 3i, only limited corrections to deficiencies, the combat capability of the initial operational Block 3i units will not be noticeably different.”
…/…
Also, the Marines accepted several substantial flaws in their IOC standard, causing problems with the way that the “performance and accuracy of mission systems functions,” including the aircraft’s data fusion system and radar performance, were displayed to the pilot.
Specific technical problems continue to impose speed and maneuver limitations on the F-35, the report says.
(end of excerpt)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/ar ... E_2015.pdf
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Deve ter perdido o ar depois de ver o preço do F-35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJVWkPc3a0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJVWkPc3a0
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The F-35 Lightning II : Potential Market 2007-2030
http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Publ ... Market.pdf
Em relação a Portugal:
Need highly questionable
Concordo.
http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Publ ... Market.pdf
Em relação a Portugal:
Need highly questionable
Concordo.
"Lá nos confins da Península Ibérica, existe um povo que não governa nem se deixa governar ”, Caio Júlio César, líder Militar Romano".
O insulto é a arma dos fracos...
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Perguntaram pra ele quando é que os F-35 operacionais vão estar prontos pra combate aéreo, aí ele tentou fazer o cálculo na cabeça mas o número gerado era demais pra memória RAM dele, aí ele super-aqueceu e deu reboot.Bolovo escreveu:Deve ter perdido o ar depois de ver o preço do F-35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJVWkPc3a0
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cabeça de martelo escreveu:The F-35 Lightning II : Potential Market 2007-2030
http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Publ ... Market.pdf
Em relação a Portugal:
Need highly questionable
Concordo.
mas é muito provável compramos o F-35 em segunda mão . > 2025
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Neste momento não há nada em concreto e dúvido que em 2025 já haja mercado de F-35 em segunda mão.
"Lá nos confins da Península Ibérica, existe um povo que não governa nem se deixa governar ”, Caio Júlio César, líder Militar Romano".
O insulto é a arma dos fracos...
O insulto é a arma dos fracos...
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A maioria das forças aéreas do Ocidente desenvolvido está cometendo um erro gravíssimo em adquirir uma aeronave tão problemática como o F-35. Deveriam consultar os especialista deste fórum antes de tomar uma decisão de tamanha importância para a defesa de seus países.
EUA, Austrália, Dinamarca, Itália, Reino Unido, Israel etc. Todos inocentes.
EUA, Austrália, Dinamarca, Itália, Reino Unido, Israel etc. Todos inocentes.
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Re: F-35 News
cabeça de martelo escreveu:Neste momento não há nada em concreto e dúvido que em 2025 já haja mercado de F-35 em segunda mão.
Provavelmente tens razão, mas não estou a ver em que caça Portugal vai apostar.
Mais tarde ou mais cedo vamos ter o F-35.
Talvez mas um grande talvez vamos ter uma aeronave europeia no nosso arsenal??