The Definitive Flanker T-10BM

[chm0d]

Pelo menos nossos pilotos do GDA já podem ir treinando....

http://www.aviapedia.com/videos/fighter ... /Su-35.wmv

[Carlos Mathias]

E é bom irem se acostumendo com estes números...

Russian fighter's radar manufacturer:
"Our newest phase array radar (IRBIS-E) will have 20 Kw class maximal output (4 times of APG-71) and the similar detecting / tracking range performance as APG-77."

RAF / EADS / BAES:
"The CAPTOR-M now is able to track MIG-29 (RCS = 5m2) at the range more than 161 ~ 185 km away. It is very impressive for a traditional fighter's radar, however it is relatively shabby when comparing with the NG AESA radars such as APG-77, APG-81, and IRBIS-E. However, after incorporating AESA technology into CAPTOR formally in 2014 (CAPTOR-E), we shall be able to chase them up..........."

E um texto melhor sobre o IRBIS-E...

Recently Tikhomirov NIIP released sufficiently comprehensive information about the developed by it new RLSU (radar system for control) phased antenna array Irbis, intended for the application on the new modifications of the fighters of family Su-27 - first of all on the aircraft Su-35 and the modernised fighter Su-27SM2. Last year the enterprise designed advertising book on RLSU Irbis-E. which now makes it possible to describe about some design features and possibilities of new radar.

RLSU Irbis, development of which is conducted in NIIP from 2004 under chief designer Vladimir Zagorodniy's leadership on the basis of the experience of creation RLS with the passive phased arrays 'Bars' and 'Osa', is intended for the decision in the composition of the integrated complex BREO of the carrier aircraft of the wide circle of tasks by detection and accompaniment of air, ground and surface targets, to the determination of their [gosprinadlezhnosti], to the identification of class [itipa] are air; targets, to the determination of a quantity of aerial targets in the group, to the forming of the radar trace of the underlying surface (actual chart area) in the modes of low, average and high resolution, to information input of a low-altitude flight with flight around and turning movement of obstacles, correction of navigation systems, to the measurement of distance, to the missile guidance with the radar homing heads ([RGS]), etc.

Structurally [RLSU] Irbis-E is multifunctional radar system X band with the passive phased array. Placed on the two-axis hydraulic drive (along the azimuth and bank), with the use of a promising computing system EKVS-E BTsVM Solo -35. Antenna system on the base passive phased array with a diameter of 900 mm with the vertical polarisation of wave and the switch time during electronic control 0,4 ms scans with the electronic beam steering along the azimuth and the angle of elevation in the sectors not less than 60～. Furthermore, two-stage electrohydraulic drive mechanically turns antenna in azimuth to the bearing to 60～ and in bank to the bearing of 120～. Therefore, the maximum angle of deflection of ray with respect to the azimuth during electronic control and mechanical corrective turn of antenna increases to 120～. In this case the vertical polarisation of wave can be changed to horizontal for a improvement in the conditions of observing the surface targets.

The transmitter, made on the base of the solid-state master oscillator Oliva and chains from two traveling-wave power amplifiers of the type Chelnok, ensures the maximum peak power at the survey frequencies not less than 20 kW with the average power 5 kW, or the average discrete continuous power of the transfer at frequencies of illumination not less than 2 kW. Four-channel receiver on the base of the low-noise intake amplifier assumes and primarily converts HF-signal with the factor of noise 3.5 dB. Digital processing of the signals accepted it occurs in the programmable signal processor on the base BTsVM 'Solo -35.01', and data processing and control of work [RLSU] - in BTsVM 'Solo-35.02', which together form BTSVS EKVS-E.

With the development RLSU 'Irbis-E' is used a number of the already well developed devices from the composition RLSU Bars, used on the aircraft Su-30MKI. Their number includes the synchroniser, LF and SHF-receivers, the master oscillator. Two-stage drive EGSP-27 RLSU Irbis-E is further development of the single power drive Bars - EGSP-6A. The new passive phased array is developed on the basis of technical and tecjnological decisions, approved with the development of Osa and Bars phased arrays. The amplifier of transmitter is developed on the base of the output amplifier of power on the base of the travelling-wave tube Chelnok, created within the framework of the program BRLS N011M (prototype Bars) and passed inspection in the composition BREO experimental aircraft Su-27M ∮712 in the stage of flight design tests, after ensuring a notable increase in the range of system.

RLSU Irbis-E can locate and simultaneously track up to 30 aerial targets with the retention of the continuity of the survey of space (track while scan), ensure the simultaneous fire of two targets with two rockets with semi-active RGS and up to eight targets by eight rockets with active RGS, in such cases to four targets at the distance of more than 300 km. In the mode 'air-surface' the complex ensures the mapping of land and sea surfaces and the detection of ground targets in the modes of survey with real beam (low resolution) with the Doppler sharpening (medium resolution) and SAR mode (modes of high and superhigh resolution). Range of detection of aerial targets RCS 3 sq m in the head-on courses in RLSU Irbis-E comprises not less than 350-400 km, while in the overtaking courses - not less than 150 km (with the height of target 10 km and more). To detect 'stealthy' targets RCS 0.01sq m station can at the distances to 90 km. Resolution during the identification of dense multiple target (at a distance of 50 km) it comprises: on the distance - 50-100 m, on the velocity - 5 m/s and on the angular coordinates - 2,5～.

Being the logical development Bars, RLSU Irbis, thus, has considerably higher characteristics: the extended (more than doubled) zone the working of frequencies, the increased from 70 to 120 deg zone of detection and accompaniment of aerial targets along the azimuth, the considerably increased range, the improved jamming invulnerability, etc through these indices Irbis is located on the level of the most up-to-date foreign developments in this region, exceeding the majority of American and West European RLS with the passive and the active phased arrays and practically without being inferior to the most perfect system of this class - RLS AN/APG-77 of American fighters F-22.

E antes que falem, tá no F-16.net. Quer dizer, tudo menos Flankerista.

[Einsamkeit]

Carlos, o BM usa que tipo de radar de cauda? Existe a previsao de lançar misseis para tras?

[Carlos Mathias]

É esse aqui:

OSA STARTED HUMMING


(...) The N029 radar aiming system (better known as Osa) is the world's first phased-array radar system suitable for mounting on light airplanes. The system with weight of just 120 kilograms and volume of 150 cubic decimeters can track up to eight targets simultaneously and support firing of missiles with radar homing warheads at four of them. The system can work not only with air targets but also with ground and sea targets. So far the Osa is the lightest and most compact radar possessing the highest efficiency in its class. (...)

Work on integration of the Osa into the MiG-29BT double-seat multifunctional fighter, a modernized version of the MiG-29UB combat-training airplane, has been restarted. (...) After the modernization the MiG turns from a combat-training airplane capable only of close-range maneuverable air battle in simple weather conditions at direct visibility distance into a powerful multifunctional fighter capable of long-range missile warfare and elimination of ground targets regardless of the time of the day and weather. Besides equipment with the new radar all avionics of the airplane are also replaced. (...)

A number of technical solutions of the N029 allow detection of air targets of fighter class at a distance of 120 kilometers even with the present antenna with diameter of 460 millimeters. Use of antenna with an increased aperture will increase the target detection range to 150-160 kilometers. Thus, according to this important parameter the Osa will be superior to the newest American counterpart with an active phased-array being developed for the F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon 4++ generation fighter by Northrop Grumman. The American system detects a target of fighter class at a distance of 140-150 kilometers. (...)

The Yak-130 combat-training airplane will also carry the Osa. The Yak-130 is intended for deepened training of military pilots and for use as an attack airplane in local conflicts.

Designers of the Osa plan to unite two radars of various bandwidths within one radar system. For this purpose they will place compact active phased-array radar under the main phased-array radar and will integrate the other elements of the radar system to the maximum extent. As a result it will be quite realistic to create a compact and relatively inexpensive system representing actually two radars at a price and volume corresponding to 1.3 times that of the initial Osa. (...)

[Jacobs]

Será que vale a pena ter um radar na cauda do avião???

Eu penso pela seguinte logica: Um radar de cauda tem capacidade infinitamente inferior a um radar frontal. Pro radar de cauda pegar alguma coisa, o alvo ja teria que estar bem perto. Isso sem falar que disparar um missil e pra traz deve consumir muito de sua força sinética apenas na curva, ou looping que terá que executar até atingir a trejetória correta.

Acho que um bom RWR consegue dar muito mais conciencia situacional pro piloto do que um radar de cauda. Talvez seria interessante alguem desenvolver um RWR que consiga determinar as distancias das ameaças que rodeiam o caça, porque atualmente eles so conseguem determinar a proa da ameaça....

[chm0d]

Será que vale a pena ter um radar na cauda do avião???

Eu penso pela seguinte logica: Um radar de cauda tem capacidade infinitamente inferior a um radar frontal. Pro radar de cauda pegar alguma coisa, o alvo ja teria que estar bem perto. Isso sem falar que disparar um missil e pra traz deve consumir muito de sua força sinética apenas na curva, ou looping que terá que executar até atingir a trejetória correta.

Acho que um bom RWR consegue dar muito mais conciencia situacional pro piloto do que um radar de cauda. Talvez seria interessante alguem desenvolver um RWR que consiga determinar as distancias das ameaças que rodeiam o caça, porque atualmente eles so conseguem determinar a proa da ameaça....

É, mais o RWR so pega se tiver com radar on... e se o cara chegar atraz com radar off?

Abs.

[Carlos Mathias]

Num tiro pelas seis horas, todos os valores de alcançe de mísseis devem ser divididos por quatro. Portanto, um MICA por exemplo teria de ser disparado de 15km, isso no alcançe máximo e sem estar o alvo na NEZ. Num caça super-manobrável e com TVC, fazer meia volta é muito mais fácil e rápido, ou mesmo sem precisar mudar a proa. Uma vez localisado o alvo na retaguarda, os sistemas do avião marcarão sua posição no espaço e alimentam as cabeças dos mísseis com este dado. Ao realizar uma 'cambalhota", assim que estiver numa posição favorável, as armas podem ser lançadas e retornar-se a proa normal. Usa-se potência máxima para reacelerar e afastar-se da área. E o alvo? Bem o alvo estará voando em direção ao míssil, ou mísseis. Quer dizer, haverá uma soma das velocidades relativas e isso facilita a vida dos mísseis lançados pelo caça super-manobrável. Não significva que será uma manobra com sucesso sempre, porém isso torna a aproximação pela rataguarda um grande risco. Quanto ao alvo ser detectado apenas quando estiver perto...

A number of technical solutions of the N029 allow detection of air targets of fighter class at a distance of 120 kilometers even with the present antenna with diameter of 460 millimeters. Use of antenna with an increased aperture will increase the target detection range to 150-160 kilometers. Thus, according to this important parameter the Osa will be superior to the newest American counterpart with an active phased-array being developed for the F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon 4++ generation fighter by Northrop Grumman. The American system detects a target of fighter class at a distance of 140-150 kilometers. (...)

The Yak-130 combat-training airplane will also carry the Osa. The Yak-130 is intended for deepened training of military pilots and for use as an attack airplane in local conflicts.

YAK-130 = Aermachi nã-sei-o-quê. E com um radar melhor em termos de alcançe aos nossos F-5M. Não seria uma boa substituir nossas Xavantes por outro treinador que é, em praticamente tudo, melhor que os vetustos F-5M? Quem sabe a negociação não evolui?

[Matheus]

Legal esse Iak-130, seria um interessante Low para um mix com Su30/35, poderia substituir com flga os xavantes e os F-5, os Su substituiriam no GDA e os A-1...

[Carlos Mathias]

Espera mais um pouco, já vão falar que não porque o painel é azul....

[chm0d]

Espera mais um pouco, já vão falar que não porque o painel é azul....

[A-29]

Que não porque o painel é azul

[Carlos Mathias]

Viu?

[chm0d]

Viu?

[Matheus]

60 SU-35 em 3 bases AN, MN CO
60 Iak 130 sendo 28 no Catre mais 2 esquadrões de 16 SC, SGC.

Show de bola.

[chm0d]

60 SU-35 em 3 bases AN, MN CO
60 Iak 130 sendo 28 no Catre mais 2 esquadrões de 16 SC, SGC.

Show de bola.

Perfeito!!