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Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Sáb Mar 25, 2017 1:23 pm
por cabeça de martelo
Túlio escreveu:Olhem só esta granada de mão Sueca: se comporta como uma daquelas minas "saltadoras" antipessoal. Pula a uns dois metros de altura antes de explodir, maximizando seu efeito destrutivo.

Nem conhecia, caí duro!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
O Exército Norte-Americano também está a desenvolver um novo produto:

:arrow: http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... p-grenade/

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Ter Abr 04, 2017 8:59 am
por cabeça de martelo
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Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Ter Abr 04, 2017 10:24 am
por Túlio
cabeça de martelo escreveu: O Exército Norte-Americano também está a desenvolver um novo produto:

:arrow: http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... p-grenade/
É, mas a Sueca já está por aí, pulando e explodindo até no YT. Já a dos EUA me parece com aquela do primeiro filme do Robocop, com controle eletrônico da detonação e um confuso controle dos modos (o que vão fazer com os estilhaços se for usada no modo ofensivo?).

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Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qua Abr 05, 2017 10:30 am
por cabeça de martelo
US Army Considers Adopting an Interim Battle Rifle in 7.62 NATO

According to multiple sources, what started out as a directed requirement for a 7.62 NATO Designated Marksmanship Rifle for issue to Infantry Rifle Squads has grown in scope to increase the Basis of Issue to all personnel in Brigade Combat Teams and perhaps beyond. The genesis of this requirement is overmatch. The troops feel like they’re in a street fight with a guy with longer arms. The 7.62x54R cartridge gives the enemy those longer arms.

Consequently, the Army wants to enable the rifleman to accurately engage targets at a further range than the current 5.56mm. Although at this point, I’ll keep that exact exact distance close to the vest. The goal here is to foster a dialogue about the 7.62 requirement in general, and not offer operational specifics.

It’s important to establish right up front that 7.62mm is not the Army’s end goal. The “Interim” component of this capability’s name relies on a plan to eventually adopt one of the 6.5mm family of intermediate calibers. Currently, elements of the Army are evaluating .260, .264 USA and .277 USA. The .260 is commercially available while .264 USA and .277 USA are developments of the Army Marksmanship Unit. Unfortunately, the US Army doesn’t plan to conduct an intermediate caliber study until the early 2020s. That’s why they want to adopt 7.62mm now. The idea is to adopt the Battle Rifle to deal with a newly identified threat with what’s available now, and transition the fleet to an intermediate caliber cartridge, once its selected. Additionally, the transition to this proposed intermediate caliber cartridge is possible from a 7.62 platform. Such a transition is all-but-impossible with the current 5.56 receiver sets.

The path of least resistance may well be to adopt an existing 7.62mm Government Off The Shelf (GOTS) weapon. It means less oversight and is quicker to put in action. There are currently four options, although the first one I’ll mention hasn’t even been discussed.

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First up is the M14 Enhanced Battle Rifle. This option, isn’t even really an option. Brought back into limited service during the early years of the war, it suffers from numerous shortcomings. However, it did validate the need for a 7.62 rifle option.

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Second, is the Mk17 SCAR-H. Built by FN, and designed to meet USSOCOM’s SOF Combat Assault Rifle requirement, it is a modular platform with a simple swap from one caliber to another. This makes it very attractive for a planned transition to a new cartridge. However, the platform was adopted after a competition between 5.56 weapons and was not evaluated for adoption against other weapons in its 7.62 configuration. USSOCOM recently removed all of its SCARs from service so they are there for the taking. Unfortunately, it’s not a panacea. There aren’t nearly enough in inventory so the Army would have to buy more, but that’s true of any of the GOTS options. Finally, the Mk17 uses a proprietary magazine, adapted from the FN FAL which is less than ideal.

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The third option is is the M110 Semi-Auto Sniper System. Currently in service with the Army as a Sniper weapon, it is manufactured by Knight’s Armament Co. As a system, SASS comes with a rather expensive optic and some other accessories not for general issue. On the plus side, it has been adopted by numerous other user groups and a multitide of variants are readily available. It uses what most believe is the best of the 7.62 AR-style magazines and is considered industry standard.

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The final GOTS option is the newly adopted M110A1, Compact Semi-Auto Sniper System. Manufactured by H&K, it is a variant of their HK417 platform, or more specifically, an Americanized G28 sniper rifle. It utilizes a piston system which many prefer over the M110’s M4-style direct impingement gas operating system. However, as a weapon system, it incorporates an expensive optic and a rather unconventional suppressor system. Additionally, it uses a proprietary magazine. Essentially, it would need to be “dumbed down” for general issue.

It’s important to note that if any of one these platforms is adopted for this role, it will require some changes as mentioned above becuase they were all adopted for other requirements.

However, the Army may evaluate these GOTS platforms and determine that none of them meet their requirement. In this case they may very well issue an RFP to industry. There are definite long-term advantages to this course of action. For example, the Army can get exactly what they want, rather than adapting a weapon originally procured for another purpose. Additionally, the Army can leverage the latest in small arms technology such as the new short frame receivers. Interestingly, these may well turn out to be more appropriate for use with an intermediate caliber cartridge.

In order to take full advantage of the range of the 7.62 cartridge, the current draft requirement for the IBR calls for a 1×6 variable optic.

Obviously, a transition to the heavier 7.62 cartridge means a reduction in the basic load of the Soldier, to just under half of the current 210 rounds. That is a serious consideration; perhaps the most important for Army leaders to contemplate. Obviously, transition to the intermediate caliber cartridge will mean more bullets per Soldier, but there must be continued development of polymer cases or telescoping rounds to take fully realize this increase in lethality.

Other factors to consider are the additional weight and recoil of a 7.62mm Battle Rifle. Let’s face it, the military transitioned from the M14 to the M16 for multiple reasons, and one of those was weight savings. Soldiers are also going to require additional training to take full advantage of the new capability. Increased engagement distances also mean Soldiers will require access to longer marksmanship ranges.

Additionally, word is that the Army desires a sub-MOA gun. If this is true, they are setting themselves up for failure because M80 Ball is not sub-MOA ammunition. Even the M110 is required to often 1.3 MOA accuracy. Something similar occurred in USSOCOM’s Precision Sniper Rifle program where the ammo was not spec’d to the same level of the rifle which fired it. If the Army tests any of these rifles, even if built to deliver sub-MOA precision, with an ammunition which delivers 2-3 MOA, they will get 2-3 MOA results. It’s the old story of the weakest link, and the capability will be considered a failure because all of the variables weren’t considered. You want an accurate rifle? Make sure you use accurate ammunition.

Then, there’s this whole ‘interim’ concept. Too many times I’ve seen capabilities that were sold initially as an interim and ended up never being replaced with the proposed final capability. There’s always a chance our Soldiers could get stuck with a 7.62 rifle if the planned caliber study doesn’t pan out or worse yet, DoD faces another budget challenged situation similar to the sequester. As we’ve learned, we go to war with the Army we have, not the one we wish we had.

While the change to the intermediate cartridge could be accomplished with bolt and barrel swaps, which is less expensive than completely new rifles, the Army will still need to transition to a new ammunition. That would be two ammunition transitions in less than a decade and three within 15 years, if you consider M855A1.

To be sure, this is a very exciting opportunity for the US Army. It could well mean the first major upgrade to the Soldier’s individual weapon in half a century. My concern, as always, is that the Army doesn’t rush into something it will regret, and that it creates a realistic requirememt, having considered all factors, including ammunition and magazines, which continue to plague the M4. As the DoD budget grows over the next few years, there will be money enough to make rash as well as bad decisions.

On the other hand, there will be institutional momentum against this concept. The Army must not let those voices drown out the requirement to overmatch the reach of our enemies on the battlefield. If the requirement is valid, then it must be supported. The rifle is the most basic weapon in the Army’s inventory.

Instead, the Army must navigate the middle path, carefully considering its near and long-tern requirements. The M16/M4 with its 5.56mm caliber have been in service for over 50 years. The next rifle may well be in service just as long. Or, until Phased Plasma Rifles, in the 40-watt range are available.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/04/05/us ... /#comments

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Sex Abr 07, 2017 9:48 am
por Frederico Vitor

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Sex Abr 07, 2017 10:26 am
por Túlio
Frederico Vitor escreveu:

O que dizer? FANTÁSTICO!!!

Eu nem sabia que era possível/seguro disparar após remover a cobertura da caixa da culatra, achava que ia voar peça pra todo que é lado. As imagens são maravilhosas e é uma sequência, logo depois a gente pode ver FAL e FAP do mesmo jeito. Dei essa parada para comentar e já vou assistir o resto.

Muito bom MESMO!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Sáb Abr 08, 2017 12:00 am
por delmar
Um chefão da IMBEL apareceu na LAAD fazendo promoção da carabina IA2 no calibre 7,62. Até a metade do ano estará em produção para venda às policias estaduais.

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 8:16 am
por cabeça de martelo
SOFINS: French GIGN gets new rifle

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The French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN) has ordered a new standard issue weapon.

It has selected the Bren 2 assault rifle from Czech company CZ. The company told Shephard at the SOFINS exhibition that the GIGN has selected the 7.62 x 39 mm version of the rifle and placed an initial order for 68 units earlier in 2017.

Additional procurements are slated to take place in the near future with the aim of replacing the majority of the H&K 416s currently in service.

The decision to adopt the Bren 2 was the result of a process that began in 2015 after the Paris attacks in January that year. Faced with terrorists equipped with bullet-proof vests, French gendarmerie and police intervention units found that 9 mm weapons had little efficiency in such situations and that 5.56 mm ammo lacked the necessary stopping power.

The CZ spokesperson said that the GIGN identified a need for a new weapon able to fire a heavier bullet. The 7.62 x 51 mm calibre had the suitable characteristics but the weapons for this calibre were considered too heavy and bulky for efficient close-quarter combat.

Thus, GIGN decided to evaluate assault rifles chambered in the 7.62 x 39 mm calibre instead and undertook trials throughout 2015 with a variety of weapons.

CZ's offering was only proposed in the latter stages of the evaluation program. Throughout the better part of 2016, the rifle was intensively tested in a variety of situations and was found to be the most reliable and efficient weapon within the panel of rifles tried by the GIGN.

The CZ Bren 2 was developed from the CZ 805 Bren S1 to take part in the French Army Future Infantry Weapon (AIF) programme (which saw the selection of the H&K 416). However CZ was unable to participate in the process as it came in too late. Development on the Bren 2 continued nevertheless and the weapon has now been selected in its 5.56 mm version by the Czech military which will use it as its standard rifle instead of the original CZ 805.

The Bren 2 7.62 x 39 mm version selected by the GIGN is a compact assault rifle with a nine inch barrel. It comprises a handguard with Picatinny rails which allows for the fitting of a variety of accessories and aiming aides as well as collapsible telescopic stock.

The GIGN has requested some modifications for its own rifles which comprise a new flash hider designed to be fitted with a sound suppressor. Some of the rifles procured by the GIGN also include a modified gas regulation system allowing for subsonic shooting. The weapon is fully ambidextrous and despite its short barrel, retains its full precision at a range of 400m as confirmed during the GIGN trials.

CZ is now pitching its P-10 pistol to the GIGN. The company has also offered its Bren 2 7.62 x 39 mm rifle to the French Special Operations Command (COS), arguing that equipping Special Forces with such a rifle would allow for easier interoperability in the field with local forces in Africa or the Middle East however it has not managed to generate the expected interest so far.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/spec ... new-rifle/

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 9:17 am
por delmar

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Cabeça de Martelo publicou:
SOFINS: French GIGN gets new rifle
Este calibre, 7,62 x 33mm, não é o mesmo dos AK russos?

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 9:41 am
por cabeça de martelo
É!

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 2:00 pm
por Túlio
delmar escreveu:

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Cabeça de Martelo publicou:
SOFINS: French GIGN gets new rifle
Este calibre, 7,62 x 33mm, não é o mesmo dos AK russos?

Erro de digitação, x 33 era o 7,92 usado pelos Alemães na 2GM em seus StürmGewere.

Mas eu queria ver mesmo é O BOLOVO, incansável defensor do 5,56 x 45 como a oitava maravilha, ao vê-lo perder terreno em CQC/CQB para o 7,62 x 39, já tendo perdido nas médias e longas para o 7,62 x 51/54.

Ia encher um post de tabelinhas e quotes de artigos de fãs do 5,56. Infelizmente, as NOTÍCIAS falam de outra coisa... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 2:44 pm
por Bolovo
Túlio escreveu:
delmar escreveu:

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Cabeça de Martelo publicou:
SOFINS: French GIGN gets new rifle
Este calibre, 7,62 x 33mm, não é o mesmo dos AK russos?

Erro de digitação, x 33 era o 7,92 usado pelos Alemães na 2GM em seus StürmGewere.

Mas eu queria ver mesmo é O BOLOVO, incansável defensor do 5,56 x 45 como a oitava maravilha, ao vê-lo perder terreno em CQC/CQB para o 7,62 x 39, já tendo perdido nas médias e longas para o 7,62 x 51/54.

Ia encher um post de tabelinhas e quotes de artigos de fãs do 5,56. Infelizmente, as NOTÍCIAS falam de outra coisa... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Eu não vejo o menor problema. O GIGN é uma unidade policial especializada da França. E o que unidades policiais tem em seu inventário? Basicamente armas leves, sendo os fuzis praticamente as armas mais poderosas, portanto, é normal ver fuzis mais potentes nas mãos de policiais. A equivalente russa da GIGN, a SOBR da Guarda Nacional (até ano passado eram do Ministério do Interior), contam com RPG, lança-granadas e etc, coisa que as unidades de polícia do ocidente não tem, por isso a necessidade de focar o poder de fogo no fuzil. Ademais, as Forças Armadas Francesas adotaram recentemente o HK416 no calibre 556 Otan (obra divina) como novo fuzil padrão. Então é aquilo, você tem que se decidir: os franceses estão certos por adotar o 762 soviético na GIGN e errados por adotar o 556 Otan nas suas forças armadas, o contrário, ou não fazem ideia do que estão fazendo? :wink:

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 5:57 pm
por Clermont
Bolovo escreveu:os franceses estão certos por adotar o 762 soviético na GIGN e errados por adotar o 556 Otan nas suas forças armadas, o contrário, ou não fazem ideia do que estão fazendo? :wink:
Mas, as FA francesas fazem parte da OTAN sendo forçadas a utilizarem o 5,56 mm por questão de padronização. Já o GIGN, força policial, escapa desta limitação.

Realmente, é curioso: o Exército argentino vai manter o 7,62 mm num fuzil novo; o Exército americano cogita a idéia de substituir o 5,56 mm voltando ao velho 7,62 mm.

Daqui a alguns anos (dez? quinze?) quando o último soldado combatente, da última unidade combatente do Exército brasileiro depor o velho FAL 7,62 mm e substitui-lo por um IA2 5,56 mm, como estarão equipados os exércitos de ponta do mundo?

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 6:01 pm
por Túlio
Clermont escreveu:
Mas, as FA francesas fazem parte da OTAN sendo forçadas a utilizarem o 5,56 mm por questão de padronização. Já o GIGN, força policial, escapa desta limitação.

Realmente, é curioso: o Exército argentino vai manter o 7,62 mm num fuzil novo; o Exército americano cogita a idéia de substituir o 5,56 mm voltando ao velho 7,62 mm.

Daqui a alguns anos (dez? quinze?) quando o último soldado combatente, da última unidade combatente do Exército brasileiro depor o velho FAL 7,62 mm e substitui-lo por um IA2 5,56 mm, como estarão equipados os exércitos de ponta do mundo?

Excelente, como sempre: nem respondi ao post porque debati demais isso com o Bolovo, nunca deu em nada. Os ianques estão tão "satisfeitos" com o 5,56 que não param de testar outros calibres. Assim, quando o EB tiver acabado de trocar de calibre (pelo passo que anda, acho que ali pela metade do percurso) EUA/OTAN já vão estar usando outro. O 7 x 49 parece bastante promissor (claro, outros também)...

Época para irmos ao 5,56 acabou ali pelos anos 90 (primeira metade), hoje saberíamos o quão desapontador é.

Re: Armas de Fogo e Equipamentos em Geral

Enviado: Qui Abr 13, 2017 10:32 pm
por Viktor Reznov
É pq o GIGN já está antecipando o futuro de guerra urbana contra guerrilhas terroristas islâmicas equipadas com Zastavas contrabandeados da Sérvia.