Fórum Defesa Brasil

Skyway escreveu:Muito bom para um navio que tinha que ser entregue esse mês.

Eles tem que aprender conosco. Fala que é pra segurança de algum evento esportivo de Janeiro que o pessoal corre com a obra e termina até o dia 31 de Dezembro.

Será que batem o recorde da Barroso???

Strategic Direction of the Future Submarine Program
(Source: Australian Dept. of Defence; issued Feb 20, 2015)
Today the Government announces the acquisition strategy for the Future Submarine Program. This announcement sets out further details of the competitive evaluation process that will be undertaken by the Department of Defence.

Submarines are an essential component of Australia’s naval capability and the Government will ensure that the future submarine provides the best possible capability and value for money for Australian taxpayers while maximising the involvement of Australian industry.

Submarines are the most complex, sensitive and expensive Defence capability acquisition a Government can make.

Australia’s national security and $1.6 trillion economy depend on secure sea lanes. We need the best possible submarine to protect our trade and support our maritime security.

It must be delivered in time to avoid a capability gap in the mid-2020s when the Collins Class submarine is scheduled to be retired from service. The decisions we make on the Future Submarine Program will determine what kind of capability we have to defend Australia and Australian interests into the 2040s and beyond.

The process outlined by the Government today provides a pathway for Australian industry to maximise its involvement in the program, whilst not compromising capability, cost, program schedule or risk.

The Government expects that significant work will be undertaken in Australia during the build phase of the future submarine including combat system integration, design assurance and land based testing. This will result in the creation at least 500 new high-skill jobs in Australia, the majority of which will be based in South Australia.

The Future Submarine Program is the largest Defence procurement program in Australia’s history and represents an investment in the order of $50 billion in Australia’s security. These costs will be subject to refinement through the competitive evaluation process. A significant proportion of this investment will be spent in Australia during the lifetime of the future submarine.

Successive governments have used various kinds of competitive evaluation processes for major Defence capability procurements.

As part of this competitive evaluation process, the Department of Defence will seek proposals from potential partners for:

a) Pre-concept designs based on meeting Australian capability criteria;

b) Options for design and build overseas, in Australia, and/or a hybrid approach;

c) Rough order of magnitude (ROM) costs and schedule for each option; and

d) Positions on key commercial issues, for example intellectual property rights and the ability to use and disclose technical data.

In addition to this – and on the advice of Defence – the Government has endorsed a set of key strategic requirements for our future submarines:

a) Range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine;

b) Sensor performance and stealth characteristics that are superior to the Collins Class submarine; and

c) The combat system and heavyweight torpedo jointly developed between the United States and Australia as the preferred combat system and main armament.

Defence advises that for Australian industry to have the best opportunity to maximise their involvement in the Future Submarine Program, it needs to work with an international partner.

Based on work completed by Defence, France, Germany, and Japan have emerged as potential international partners. All three countries have proven submarine design and build capabilities and are currently producing submarines.

France, Germany and Japan will be invited to participate in this competitive evaluation process (Emphasis added—Ed.) that will assess their ability to partner with Australia to develop a Future Submarine that meets our capability requirements.

The Department of Defence will invite potential international partners to seek opportunities for Australian industry participation in the Future Submarine Program.

The competitive evaluation process will help the Government balance important considerations including capability, cost, schedule, and risk. Interoperability with our alliance partner, the United States, will also be a fundamental consideration.

The competitive evaluation process will take around ten months, after which an international partner will be selected for Australia’s Future Submarine Program. Further details about Australian industry involvement are also expected to be known at that point.

The competitive evaluation process will ensure that capability, cost, schedule, and key strategic considerations, along with Australian industry involvement, are carefully and methodically considered, and avoid unnecessary delays to the Future Submarine Program.

The Department of Defence will soon be holding industry briefings to inform Australian industry about the process and how they can engage with potential international partners.

An expert advisory panel will also be appointed to oversee the competitive evaluation process. Further details about this will be announced once individual appointments are confirmed.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... plans.html

Tem um detalhe que difere e muito dos discursos dos países desenvolvidos e do Brasil, nos países desenvolvidos sempre se diz algo a respeito do contribuinte, dizendo que faram o melhor com o menor preço, aqui no Brasil nunca levam em consideração o contribuinte...

Porque o dinheiro é infinito, se faltar aumentam impostos e que se ferre o povo.

mmatuso escreveu:Porque o dinheiro é infinito, se faltar aumentam impostos e que se ferre o povo.

Estamos vivenciando isso... tantos aumentos na gasolina simplesmente para cobrir o rombo que PT deixou... tenho até medo quando abrirem a caixa preta do BNDS... alguns gerentes do BB estão dizendo que não esta sendo liberado um tostão do BNDS para empréstimos, o dinheiro sumiu...

Australia asks Japan to join submarine tender

JIJI
May 6, 2015

Australian Defence Minister Kevin Andrews on Wednesday asked Japan to participate in procedures to become Australia’s partner in a project to jointly develop next-generation submarines, Japanese officials said.

Andrews made the request in a telephone conversation with Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani, who responded positively. The phone talks, which lasted about 15 minutes, took place at the request of Australia, according to the officials.

In February, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said his country will team with either Japan, France or Germany to jointly develop the next-generation submarines for Australia. The selection process is expected to end later this year.

Japan is considered the front-runner in the race because Abbott has expressed his strong interest in Japan’s Soryu-class submarines.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... UolJZOm3VE

Australia Wants Japan To Build New Submarine Fleet, European Defense Contractors Demand Fair Process

By Cristina Silva @cristymsilva c.silva@ibtimes.com.. on May 06 2015 8:50 AM EDT


A Japan Maritime Self-Defense Forces diesel-electric submarine Soryu is seen in this undated handout photo released by the defense group, and obtained by Reuters on Sept. 1, 2014. Reuters

Australia wants Japan to help it develop a new fleet of submarines. Australian Defense Minister Kevin Andrews asked his Japanese counterpart Wednesday to join the $20 billion project in a 15-minute phone call that took place at the request of Australia, according to the Japan Times.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said in February he would team with either Japan, France or Germany to jointly develop new submarines for Australia. Abbott had previously expressed strong interest in Japan’s Soryu-class submarines. The Australian government hopes to receive designs for the new submarines, including where and how they will be constructed and at what cost, by the end of the year, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

Retired Vice Admiral Yoji Koda of Japan urged Japanese leaders in March to help Australia develop and maintain its submarine capability. "At least some boats should be built in this country," said Koda, who is close to Japan's defense establishment, according to Reuters.

If Japan supplied a version of its Soryu submarines, it would largely be seen as an important diplomatic move for relations between Australia, the United States and Japan. Japan, however, has allegedly been reluctant to work with the Australian government on the submarine project because it would require sharing sensitive military technology. Some Japanese officials also don't want to compete for the project against European companies, but would instead prefer that the Australian government simply award the contract to Japan.

Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) and France's state-controlled naval contractor DCNS have both expressed interest in the submarine project. They have said they would build in Australia.

"We've got all of the data descriptions which tell us what we need to do and they've sent us, through classified channels, the functional performance specifications ... It literally is happening as we speak," Philip Stanford, the chief executive of TKMS Australia, told Reuters in March of his bid to win the contract.

Australia's fleet of 12 Collins submarines were declared noisy and vulnerable to attack in a widely publicized high-level report nearly two decades ago. The report concluded that the combat system was so bad it should be retired.

http://www.ibtimes.com/australia-wants- ... nd-1910538

Os militares japoneses são contra a venda eles dizem que o governo japoneses deve oferecer modelos antigos não os mais modernos.
Fica a duvida se eles vão oferecer o Soryu ou o novo modelo maior derivado do Soryu que deve entrar em operação em 2020.

Launch of the First Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer

In an important milestone for the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program, the first of three destroyers, Hobart, was launched alongside the Port River wharf in Adelaide today. This is a key achievement for the program and a big step towards the delivery of three highly capable warships to the Royal Australian Navy. The second destroyer Brisbane — now in an advanced state of fit-out with more than half of the blocks already consolidated on the hardstand.


The first Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer has been launched on May 23 (Picture: Tom Huntley)

Once fully operational, the warships will have a combination of great endurance, offensive and defensive weapons, flexibility and versatility. Hobart, Brisbane and Sydney will assume a leading command and control role with the Australian Defence Force and Coalition forces capable of carrying out multi-mission operations.

The Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program is one of the largest and most complex Defence projects ever undertaken in Australia and has been instrumental in building a strong shipbuilding capability in Australia.

The Hobart has reached this milestone through Government and industry collaboration involving an Australian workforce of some 3000 people. This includes the AWD Alliance made up of lead shipbuilder ASC, mission systems integrator Raytheon Australia and the Department of Defence, including the Royal Australian Navy.

The program has also been supported the United States Navy, Navantia, Lockheed Martin, Forgacs, BAE Systems and MG Engineering.

As Hobart moves into this next phase, the second and third destroyers, Brisbane and Sydney, will benefit from the AWD Alliance applying lessons learned.

This experience will be drawn on should a continuous build strategy, with a regular pace of delivering new warships, be feasible.

An enterprise-level naval shipbuilding plan would provide for the long-term future of the Australian naval shipbuilding industry and avoid the peaks and troughs we are experiencing – and have experienced in the past.

With Hobart in the water, the second destroyer, Brisbane, can soon take its place on the hardstand to undergo final block consolidation, and the keel for the third destroyer, Sydney, will be laid.

The AWDs are being built for Australia’s specific defence needs and will provide a significant increase in Australia’s defence capabilities. The AWDs will provide greater protection for ADF personnel by providing air defence for accompanying ships as well as land forces and infrastructure on nearby coastal areas. The AWDs will also provide self-protection against attacking missiles and aircraft.

The Aegis Weapon System incorporating the state-of-the-art phased array radar, AN/ SPY 1D(V), in combination with the SM-2 missile, will provide an advanced air defence system capable of engaging enemy aircraft and missiles at ranges in excess of 150 kilometres.

The AWDs will also carry a MH-60R Seahawk ‘Romeo’ naval combat helicopter for surveillance and response to support key warfare areas. The surface warfare function will include long range anti-ship missiles and a naval gun capable of firing extended range munitions in support of land forces. The AWDs will also be able to conduct Undersea Warfare and will be equipped with modern sonar systems, decoys and surface-launched torpedoes.

Coupled with an array of close-in defensive weapons, all of these capabilities ensure the AWDs have the layered defensive and offensive resources required to win the battle against 21st century conventional and asymmetric threats.
The Defence team is led by the AWD Program Office in the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), which retains overall responsibility for the project management and delivery of the three Air Warfare Destroyers. The DMO, through the Minister for Defence, is responsible to the people of Australia to ensure that the future AWDs are delivered to the RAN on time, on budget and to the required capability.

P44 escreveu:Launch of the First Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer

In an important milestone for the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program, the first of three destroyers, Hobart, was launched alongside the Port River wharf in Adelaide today. This is a key achievement for the program and a big step towards the delivery of three highly capable warships to the Royal Australian Navy. The second destroyer Brisbane — now in an advanced state of fit-out with more than half of the blocks already consolidated on the hardstand.


The first Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer has been launched on May 23 (Picture: Tom Huntley)

Once fully operational, the warships will have a combination of great endurance, offensive and defensive weapons, flexibility and versatility. Hobart, Brisbane and Sydney will assume a leading command and control role with the Australian Defence Force and Coalition forces capable of carrying out multi-mission operations.

The Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program is one of the largest and most complex Defence projects ever undertaken in Australia and has been instrumental in building a strong shipbuilding capability in Australia.

The Hobart has reached this milestone through Government and industry collaboration involving an Australian workforce of some 3000 people. This includes the AWD Alliance made up of lead shipbuilder ASC, mission systems integrator Raytheon Australia and the Department of Defence, including the Royal Australian Navy.

The program has also been supported the United States Navy, Navantia, Lockheed Martin, Forgacs, BAE Systems and MG Engineering.

As Hobart moves into this next phase, the second and third destroyers, Brisbane and Sydney, will benefit from the AWD Alliance applying lessons learned.

This experience will be drawn on should a continuous build strategy, with a regular pace of delivering new warships, be feasible.

An enterprise-level naval shipbuilding plan would provide for the long-term future of the Australian naval shipbuilding industry and avoid the peaks and troughs we are experiencing – and have experienced in the past.

With Hobart in the water, the second destroyer, Brisbane, can soon take its place on the hardstand to undergo final block consolidation, and the keel for the third destroyer, Sydney, will be laid.

The AWDs are being built for Australia’s specific defence needs and will provide a significant increase in Australia’s defence capabilities. The AWDs will provide greater protection for ADF personnel by providing air defence for accompanying ships as well as land forces and infrastructure on nearby coastal areas. The AWDs will also provide self-protection against attacking missiles and aircraft.

The Aegis Weapon System incorporating the state-of-the-art phased array radar, AN/ SPY 1D(V), in combination with the SM-2 missile, will provide an advanced air defence system capable of engaging enemy aircraft and missiles at ranges in excess of 150 kilometres.

The AWDs will also carry a MH-60R Seahawk ‘Romeo’ naval combat helicopter for surveillance and response to support key warfare areas. The surface warfare function will include long range anti-ship missiles and a naval gun capable of firing extended range munitions in support of land forces. The AWDs will also be able to conduct Undersea Warfare and will be equipped with modern sonar systems, decoys and surface-launched torpedoes.

Coupled with an array of close-in defensive weapons, all of these capabilities ensure the AWDs have the layered defensive and offensive resources required to win the battle against 21st century conventional and asymmetric threats.
The Defence team is led by the AWD Program Office in the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), which retains overall responsibility for the project management and delivery of the three Air Warfare Destroyers. The DMO, through the Minister for Defence, is responsible to the people of Australia to ensure that the future AWDs are delivered to the RAN on time, on budget and to the required capability.

La envidea és una mierda.............

Grande abraço

juarez castro escreveu:

P44 escreveu:Launch of the First Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer

In an important milestone for the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program, the first of three destroyers, Hobart, was launched alongside the Port River wharf in Adelaide today. This is a key achievement for the program and a big step towards the delivery of three highly capable warships to the Royal Australian Navy. The second destroyer Brisbane — now in an advanced state of fit-out with more than half of the blocks already consolidated on the hardstand.


The first Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer has been launched on May 23 (Picture: Tom Huntley)

Once fully operational, the warships will have a combination of great endurance, offensive and defensive weapons, flexibility and versatility. Hobart, Brisbane and Sydney will assume a leading command and control role with the Australian Defence Force and Coalition forces capable of carrying out multi-mission operations.

The Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program is one of the largest and most complex Defence projects ever undertaken in Australia and has been instrumental in building a strong shipbuilding capability in Australia.

The Hobart has reached this milestone through Government and industry collaboration involving an Australian workforce of some 3000 people. This includes the AWD Alliance made up of lead shipbuilder ASC, mission systems integrator Raytheon Australia and the Department of Defence, including the Royal Australian Navy.

The program has also been supported the United States Navy, Navantia, Lockheed Martin, Forgacs, BAE Systems and MG Engineering.

As Hobart moves into this next phase, the second and third destroyers, Brisbane and Sydney, will benefit from the AWD Alliance applying lessons learned.

This experience will be drawn on should a continuous build strategy, with a regular pace of delivering new warships, be feasible.

An enterprise-level naval shipbuilding plan would provide for the long-term future of the Australian naval shipbuilding industry and avoid the peaks and troughs we are experiencing – and have experienced in the past.

With Hobart in the water, the second destroyer, Brisbane, can soon take its place on the hardstand to undergo final block consolidation, and the keel for the third destroyer, Sydney, will be laid.

The AWDs are being built for Australia’s specific defence needs and will provide a significant increase in Australia’s defence capabilities. The AWDs will provide greater protection for ADF personnel by providing air defence for accompanying ships as well as land forces and infrastructure on nearby coastal areas. The AWDs will also provide self-protection against attacking missiles and aircraft.

The Aegis Weapon System incorporating the state-of-the-art phased array radar, AN/ SPY 1D(V), in combination with the SM-2 missile, will provide an advanced air defence system capable of engaging enemy aircraft and missiles at ranges in excess of 150 kilometres.

The AWDs will also carry a MH-60R Seahawk ‘Romeo’ naval combat helicopter for surveillance and response to support key warfare areas. The surface warfare function will include long range anti-ship missiles and a naval gun capable of firing extended range munitions in support of land forces. The AWDs will also be able to conduct Undersea Warfare and will be equipped with modern sonar systems, decoys and surface-launched torpedoes.

Coupled with an array of close-in defensive weapons, all of these capabilities ensure the AWDs have the layered defensive and offensive resources required to win the battle against 21st century conventional and asymmetric threats.
The Defence team is led by the AWD Program Office in the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), which retains overall responsibility for the project management and delivery of the three Air Warfare Destroyers. The DMO, through the Minister for Defence, is responsible to the people of Australia to ensure that the future AWDs are delivered to the RAN on time, on budget and to the required capability.

La envidea és una mierda.............

Grande abraço

As forças armadas mais bem estruturadas (e poderosas) do hemisfério Sul.

Penguin escreveu:

juarez castro escreveu: La envidea és una mierda.............

Grande abraço

As forças armadas mais bem estruturadas (e poderosas) do hemisfério Sul.

BLASFÊMIA, BLASFÊMIA Santiago, depois desta afirmação lesa pátria, lambe botas serás enviado ao Gulag.....

Grande abraço

juarez castro escreveu:

Penguin escreveu: As forças armadas mais bem estruturadas (e poderosas) do hemisfério Sul.

BLASFÊMIA, BLASFÊMIA Santiago, depois desta afirmação lesa pátria, lambe botas serás enviado ao Gulag.....

Grande abraço

E tudo isso com o pé no chão!
Curiosidade: é o país com a maior renda per capita do hemisfério Sul e o 2o maior IDH mundial.

Depois que tivermos os Gripen NG eles vão ver quem será as força armada mais bem equipada do hemisfério sul.

mmatuso escreveu:Depois que tivermos os Gripen NG eles vão ver quem será as força armada mais bem equipada do hemisfério sul.

O Saab Gripen anda te assombrando

juarez castro escreveu:

P44 escreveu:Launch of the First Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer

In an important milestone for the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program, the first of three destroyers, Hobart, was launched alongside the Port River wharf in Adelaide today. This is a key achievement for the program and a big step towards the delivery of three highly capable warships to the Royal Australian Navy. The second destroyer Brisbane — now in an advanced state of fit-out with more than half of the blocks already consolidated on the hardstand.


The first Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer has been launched on May 23 (Picture: Tom Huntley)

Once fully operational, the warships will have a combination of great endurance, offensive and defensive weapons, flexibility and versatility. Hobart, Brisbane and Sydney will assume a leading command and control role with the Australian Defence Force and Coalition forces capable of carrying out multi-mission operations.

The Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) program is one of the largest and most complex Defence projects ever undertaken in Australia and has been instrumental in building a strong shipbuilding capability in Australia.

The Hobart has reached this milestone through Government and industry collaboration involving an Australian workforce of some 3000 people. This includes the AWD Alliance made up of lead shipbuilder ASC, mission systems integrator Raytheon Australia and the Department of Defence, including the Royal Australian Navy.

The program has also been supported the United States Navy, Navantia, Lockheed Martin, Forgacs, BAE Systems and MG Engineering.

As Hobart moves into this next phase, the second and third destroyers, Brisbane and Sydney, will benefit from the AWD Alliance applying lessons learned.

This experience will be drawn on should a continuous build strategy, with a regular pace of delivering new warships, be feasible.

An enterprise-level naval shipbuilding plan would provide for the long-term future of the Australian naval shipbuilding industry and avoid the peaks and troughs we are experiencing – and have experienced in the past.

With Hobart in the water, the second destroyer, Brisbane, can soon take its place on the hardstand to undergo final block consolidation, and the keel for the third destroyer, Sydney, will be laid.

The AWDs are being built for Australia’s specific defence needs and will provide a significant increase in Australia’s defence capabilities. The AWDs will provide greater protection for ADF personnel by providing air defence for accompanying ships as well as land forces and infrastructure on nearby coastal areas. The AWDs will also provide self-protection against attacking missiles and aircraft.

The Aegis Weapon System incorporating the state-of-the-art phased array radar, AN/ SPY 1D(V), in combination with the SM-2 missile, will provide an advanced air defence system capable of engaging enemy aircraft and missiles at ranges in excess of 150 kilometres.

The AWDs will also carry a MH-60R Seahawk ‘Romeo’ naval combat helicopter for surveillance and response to support key warfare areas. The surface warfare function will include long range anti-ship missiles and a naval gun capable of firing extended range munitions in support of land forces. The AWDs will also be able to conduct Undersea Warfare and will be equipped with modern sonar systems, decoys and surface-launched torpedoes.

Coupled with an array of close-in defensive weapons, all of these capabilities ensure the AWDs have the layered defensive and offensive resources required to win the battle against 21st century conventional and asymmetric threats.
The Defence team is led by the AWD Program Office in the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), which retains overall responsibility for the project management and delivery of the three Air Warfare Destroyers. The DMO, through the Minister for Defence, is responsible to the people of Australia to ensure that the future AWDs are delivered to the RAN on time, on budget and to the required capability.

La envidea és una mierda.............

Grande abraço

Juarez, inveja desse projeto eu não tenho.
Do navio sim, mas do projeto não.

A bem da verdade foi um projeto de PÉSSIMO custo/benefício.

A Espanha encomendou 4 F-100 por €1,68 bi e no final acabou pagando €1,81 bi, o que convertendo da U$ 1,96 bi
A 5ª Fragata, a F-105 Alvaro de Bazan custou U$ 1,1 bi.

Veja o exemplo da Itália, 10 FREMM (4 ASW e 6 de Emprego Geral) por cerca de U$ 6,3 bi

Agora os australianos possuem 3 navios excelentes. Isto não há dúvida. Mas pelo custo de U$ 7,08 bi
Ou U$ 2,36 bi CADA destroyer.
Já que é para gastar tanto poderiam substituir esses 3 destroyers por 2 Zumwalt.