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MPs condemn navy story decisions

The crew was held captive by Iran for 13 days
MPs have criticised the failure to discipline anyone involved in the decision to allow members of a captured Royal Navy crew to sell their stories.
The Commons defence committee said a catalogue of serious errors resulted in some of the 15 seized by Iran in March speaking to the press after release.

The publicity was "deeply damaging" and the whole affair had been a "national embarrassment", it added.

The MoD said action had been taken over the operational aspects of the case.

The Royal Navy crew, comprising sailors and marines, was seized in the Gulf in March and held for 13 days.

'Damaging'

Defence Secretary Des Browne later apologised to the House of Commons about the subsequent sale of stories, but the committee said this was not enough.

In a report, it said: "It is clear that the decision to allow the service personnel to sell their stories was a serious mistake and deeply damaging to the reputation of the Royal Navy.

"The secretary of state for defence has accepted responsibility and apologised. This should not absolve others from blame.

This fiasco seriously damaged the reputation of the Royal Navy and the standing of this country abroad

Liam Fox
Conservatives

"We were told that no action had been taken against individuals, military or civilian, for failings relating to media handling. Given the catalogue of serious mistakes made, we think this is unacceptable."

In contrast, the committee said that formal disciplinary action had been taken against a number of individuals who had been held to be at fault in relation to the actual incident itself.

The committee said that a report by retired Royal Marines Lieutenant General Sir Rob Fulton into the operational aspects of what went wrong had been "robust in identifying serious weaknesses".

But it was not made public because of the sensitive operational information contained in it.

The committee's chairman, Conservative MP James Arbuthnot, said: "The capture of Royal Navy personnel last March was an embarrassment to the whole country and the way it was handled afterwards compounded the embarrassment.

"People around the country, including many retired service people, have been asking how it could have come about."

Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox said "Labour's part-time defence secretary" had made "monumental mistakes" in allowing the selling of stories.

"This fiasco seriously damaged the reputation of the Royal Navy and the standing of this country abroad," he said.

'Shortcomings corrected'

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "We have made good progress in putting right the shortcomings identified by General Fulton.

""No courts martial were justified but administrative action has been taken against a number of service personnel across a wide spectrum of ranks. We are not prepared to discuss individual detail."

Iranian Revolutionary Guards captured the 14 men and one woman on 23 March following a routine boarding operation in the Gulf off Iraq.

The crew was later released by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Iran said the Navy vessel had strayed into its territorial waters, but Britain maintains that it was in Iraqi waters under a UN mandate at the time.

Tigershark, essa noticia não é já um bocadinho velha?

talharim escreveu:Eu não acredito em nada disso.

Claro, afinal vc sabe muito mais que todos nós....

o NAVY NEWS "só" está directamente ligado á ROYAL NAVY
http://www.navynews.co.uk/Default.aspx

About Navy News
Welcome to the online version of the official newspaper of the Royal Navy, Navy News, which has been reporting on all that happens in the Senior Service and the wider community since 1954.
Our aim is to bring you the latest news, features and award-winning photographs from the front-line Fleet – the Submarine Service, surface fleet, Fleet Air Arm, Royal Marines and Royal Fleet Auxiliary – as well as its principal yards and establishments such as Devonport, Faslane and Portsmouth.

But we have a duty to the broader naval community as well. Navy News is the official newspaper of the Royal Naval Association and the Sea Cadets; their members and their work are championed in every issue. We also provide a free service for veterans who wish to trace former comrades, organise reunions and delve into naval history.

Each edition of Navy News is produced in full-colour, designed by an award-winning team of journalists and designers, and comprises between 44 and 60 pages. We publish around 60,000 copies monthly, available from the first of each month through your newsagent, selected supermarkets or via subscription.

Beyond our regular monthly newspaper, we frequently produce commemorative supplements – in 2006 we marked the 100th anniversary of the launch of HMS Dreadnought, celebrated the Queen’s 80th birthday, paid tribute to the legendary Sea Harrier and championed the squadrons of the Fleet Air Arm.

Another regular facet of Navy News is its famous cutaway diagrams – giving the reader a glimpse inside ships, submarines and aircraft of the Royal Navy past and present – which have been a mainstay of the paper for the past decade and will continue to be so.

Our internet site consists of many of the regular features from the printed version of Navy News, but is updated each weekday. It also features an extensive database of naval information and an archive of stories and features going back to 2000.

An integral part of Naval life is humour. Our cartoonists capture the spirit of Jack, Jenny and Royal – the ordinary sailors and Royal Marines – as do our stories and features.

Getting to the heart of the Senior Service is our key aim. We are a paper about the ships and aircraft, the bases and weaponry, but above all we are about people. Navy News is the sole newspaper which celebrates the deeds of the Royal Navy around the world, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

http://www.navynews.co.uk/About-Navy-News.aspx

Mas o que é isso comparado com o "Talha News"...?


O Telegraph é só um dos (poucos) jornais ingleses crediveis...

Mas o que é isso comparado com o "Talha News"...?

Haja paciência... Um bocadinho mais de respeito pelos posts dos outros não lhe ficava nada mal, meu Caro.

Acho sinceramente que ando a PERDER TEMPO a colocar noticias crediveis, dado que cada dia que passa o que interessa aqui neste forum é a "Mayonese".

então fiquem assim , prefiro postar estas noticias pouco crediveis em foruns mais sérios, fiquem lá com a Mayonese...(peço desculpa pelo desabafo, mas cada vez tenho menos paciência para discutir seja o que fôr neste forum)

Cumprimentos a todos.

Então saia do Fórum.

Já estou de saco cheio de ti tbm.

P44,
Por favor poderia elucidar a parte sobre a venda de que para a Malasia?

alex escreveu:P44,
Por favor poderia elucidar a parte sobre a venda de que para a Malasia?

Concerteza Caro Colega,

O que parece transparecer, é que dada a falta de verba para equipar a Royal Navy, estão a ser consideradas 2 hipóteses: do projecto de OITO Destroyers da classe DARING a serem construidos...
-Cancelar o 7º e o 8º
-Ou então construir o 7º e o 8º e vendê-los de imediato á Malásia.

(em ambos os casos no final a RN teria no máximo 6 unidades desta classe)

Espero ter ajudado, qualquer duvida disponha

Obrigado pelo esclarecimento.
O bom de ter os portugueses no forum é que eles tem informações, principalmente sobre a area naval, dos assuntos da Europa.
Isso mesmo em tempo de internet

P44 escreveu:

alex escreveu:P44,
Por favor poderia elucidar a parte sobre a venda de que para a Malasia?

Concerteza Caro Colega,

O que parece transparecer, é que dada a falta de verba para equipar a Royal Navy, estão a ser consideradas 2 hipóteses: do projecto de OITO Destroyers da classe DARING a serem construidos...
-Cancelar o 7º e o 8º
-Ou então construir o 7º e o 8º e vendê-los de imediato á Malásia.

(em ambos os casos no final a RN teria no máximo 6 unidades desta classe)

Espero ter ajudado, qualquer duvida disponha

Tudo só fica bem, qdo, acaba bem...

Ainda tenho fé que a Royal Navy no último momento, consiga as verbas para as duas últimas unidades.

Achoe que é isso que vai acontecer.

A Royal Navy passa por um período difícil por causa de seus gastos excessivos com as campanhas no Iraque e Afeganistão.

Os projetos andam a marcha lenta.............e acabam surgindo especulações na imprensa de lá..........que não deixa de ser sensacionalista como a de cá.........já alarmando diminuição de navios baixa de outros..........

Mas tenho certeza de que se trata de um período temporário de transição.

A Inglaterra jamais deixará de possuir a maior e mais poderosa Marinha de Guerra da Europa e com meios capazes de projetar forças em qualquer lugar do mundo.

Daqui a 5 anos as coisas começam a voltar ao normal por aqueles lados.Amén.

Mas enquanto isso...os artigos colocados pelo P44 estão actuais e são os mais correctos, certo Talha?!

Eu sei que gostas da Royal Navy, mas tens que abrir a pestana e não seres fundamentalista. A Royal Navy é ainda uma das Marinhas mais respeitadas do mundo.

a caminho da sucata

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/mya ... lid=551467
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/mya ... lid=552178
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/mya ... lid=552173


L11 HMS FAERLESS (IMO 0000000)

Terneuzen west lock 23-12-2007

underway to the scrapyard in Ghent

MoD forced to cut budget by £1.5bn

The Ministry of Defence is being forced to slash its planned budget by £1.5 billion a year over the next three years,
leaving the armed forces vying with each other to hold on to their new ships, aircraft and armoured vehicles.
The Royal Navy's two planned aircraft carriers, central to the armed forces' capabilities, will be postponed by up to two
years in an attempt to delay paying much of the £4 billion bill for as long as possible.
The government announced in July it was increasing the defence budget by 1.5% a year taking it to £36.9 billion in
2010-2011. It also committed itself to building the two giant carriers, a new series of armoured vehicles for the army
and the new nuclear deterrent.
But the black hole in the defence budget is so large — close to £2 billion this year and as much as £5 billion over the
next three years — that the budget increase will not prevent cuts. While spending on a new nuclear deterrent is
certain to go ahead, both the carriers and the new vehicles are again under threat.
Growing rows between the three services over the budget are set to escalate over the next few weeks as discussions
known as "planning round 08" are finalised. The budget problems are caused by the costs of a number of large
equipment projects coinciding in this year's budget.
But they have been exacerbated by the Treasury's refusal to pay the full cost of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In theory, the Treasury is supposed to pay the full bill, but in reality it reclaims the costs of any new equipment
required for operations from subsequent defence budgets. One industry source said the result was that "salami-slicing
is going on across the whole equipment budget" with every equipment project affected.
The Treasury, meanwhile, has renewed its offensive against the RAF's planned fleet of 232 Typhoon aircraft, insisting
the final tranche of 88 aircraft is not needed. It is also demanding reductions in the planned 138 Joint Strike Fighters
the MoD is considering buying from America to fly off the two new carriers.
The RAF is also expected to lose two of its frontline Tornado GR4 ground attack squadrons as part of cuts to existing
forces. The Royal Navy is now resigned to losing a further five escort vessels, all four Type-22 frigates plus one of the
relatively new Type-23 frigates, in the attempt to rein back costs. The delays to the carriers and cuts in frigates are
particularly worrying for the navy which has already accepted drastic cuts in its surface fleet in exchange for the
government's promise that the carriers will be built.
The government cut the Royal Navy's frigates and destroyers to 32, the minimum required to carry out its tasks
around the world, in 2000. But despite subsequent wars and protests from naval chiefs this number has since been
reduced to 25 on the promise of the two new carriers, forcing the navy to cut a number of tasks.
The latest cuts reduce the number of escorts to just 20, compared with a cold war peak of 139. The two carriers,
Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales, are due to enter service in 2014 and 2016 respectively, a timetable already
delayed by two years. They are to be built in tandem with a new French navy carrier and any further delays beyond
two years would place major doubts over whether they will be built at all.

In an attempt to sort out its procurement system and put the budget on a firmer basis, the MoD is this week
advertising for an industry executive to take over as the chief operating officer of the Defence Equipment & Support
organisation. Source : timesonline.uk

DAILY COLLECTION OF MARITIME PRESS CLIPPINGS 2008 – 014

LOL

Faulty fridge sends warship back to base



Wed Jan 23, 1:27 PM ET



LONDON (AFP) - One of Britain's biggest warships was forced to retreat back to base Wednesday -- by fears about a fridge.

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The aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious sailed out Wednesday from Portsmouth on the southern English coast, the home of the fleet, to join multi-national operations in the Indian Ocean.

But "Lusty" had to turn back because a refrigeration unit used to store meat was in danger of breaking down.

"The sensible thing is for her to come in and get that fixed before she goes off again," said Royal Navy spokesman Anton Hanney.

"It wouldn't be prudent for her to go off with the chance of the unit breaking down while she was in warmer climates and then engineers would have to be flown out to her to fix it."

The warship -- scheduled for replacement in 2012 -- is set to lead the Orion 08 multi-national task group, which will be carrying out exercises during the next four months in the Indian Ocean.

The group is to visit 20 ports in the Mediterranean, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia and the Far East.

HMS Illustrious -- 209 metres long with a displacement of 22,000 tonnes and carrying Sea Harrier jump-jet fighters -- is likely to return to sea Thursday, officials said.

The vessel was until recently the Royal Navy flagship, but has turned over that honour to HMS Ark Royal, said an MoD spokesman, who had earlier said the Illustrious was the flagship.

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Andamento on line da construção das Type 45 os melhores mais perfeitos navios de guerra da história :

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.5765

HMS DARING
HMS DAUNTLESS
HMS DIAMOND ................já estão na água.

HMS DRAGON está em pleno vapor.

Faltam a HMS DEFNDER e HMS DUNCAN

Em 4 anos 3 navios na água e 1 em plena construção.

Tenho certeza que a Royal Navy encomendará pelo menos mais 2 navios.


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A construção dos melhores mais perfeitos letais SSNs da história está a pleno vapor tbm.

4 Submarinos encomendados :

HMS ASTUTE
HMS AMBUSH
HMS ARTFUL
HMS AUDACIOUS

E outros 4 planejados.

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Quer dizer para um período temporal de 12 anos (2020) a Royal Navy estará revigorada e poderosíssima.

Inicialmente 6 Type 45,8 Astute e 2 CVF Queen Elizabeth.