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Cada maluco que me aparece.



Fui

Bem, é melhor que ser cego, né?

Ainda acho que o Su-35 não será vendido a ninguem....

Ou se for será tão quanto o numero de Rafales produzidos para França, eu acredito que não chegará nem a isto....

Já o PaK-Fa.......

Este sim, deverá ser sucesso.

Não sei por que, mas acho que o Su-35 terá um número total de unidades produzidas semelhante ou maior que a do Rafale. Mas liga não, é mais uma das minhas divagações.

Bourne escreveu:Não sei por que, mas acho que o Su-35 terá um número total de unidades produzidas semelhante ou maior que a do Rafale. Mas liga não, é mais uma das minhas divagações.

Pois é. Tb acho. Índia, Argélia, Líbia, Indonésia, a Venezuela(após 2011), e é certo que o Vietnan está de olho em pelo menos um esquadrão completo.

Mas para o Brasil não vem não.

Fora que os motores e sistemas podem ser colocados em qualquer SU-30 da vida. A Índia já disse que fará um MLU com os motores e o IRBIS-E.

Mas bom mesmo é o desenho de computação.

anti awac

eu sou eu escreveu:


anti awac

Isso ai é uma grande gambiarra, visto que o Kh-31 é um míssil tipo HARM.

É como se a USAF começasse a disparar Harm contra aviões.

Pelo jeito, os russos sifu nas mãos dos chineses... Já pensaram se a moda pega?

Chinese Engineer Cracks Russian Su-27 Fighter Production Codes
A DEBKAfile Exclusive from Beijing
June 29, 2002

A 33-year old Chinese software engineer, Zhu Rong Gong, has duplicated the
secret fire-control software and systems integration for Russia's Su-27
series of aircraft, giving his country's drive towards the fully autonomous
production of this potent weapon a sharp spurt.

DEBKAfile reports this feat of Beijing's commercial-military intelligence
from its exclusive Chinese sources.

Zhu, who works at China's Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment
(AVIC Research Institute Number 613), has won many awards, including a
personal commendation from Defense Minister General Chi Haotian.

China is currently believed to operate 100 or more of these state of the art
fighter aircraft, which parallel the Russian Mig-29 and US F-15C. In
February 1996, Russia sold full Su-27 production rights to China for US$2.5
billion, but withheld the production secrets of certain key technologies,
such as the software used to control the aircraft's sophisticated integrated
fire control system, which were supplied only in "black box" form.

Initially, China completed its first domestic production of SU-27s, which
the Chinese air force designates J-11, in late 1998, from imported
components. By the end of this year, its output is expected to reach ten
aircraft and then rise to 15 annually. The Chinese estimate eventual
domestic production going up to 100 per year, although Western estimates put
this total at no more than 10 to 20 aircraft per year with substantial
Russian assistance.

During August 1999, Beijing and Moscow signed an agreement for the purchase
of 40 or more Su-30MKK (i.e. modernizirovannyi kommerchesky dla Kitaya, or
`modernized commercially for China') fighter-bombers from the Irktusk
Aircraft Production Association in a contract worth up to another US$2.5
billion. A co-production agreement was subsequently made for an additional
250 aircraft, most likely at the Shenyang facility, and the purchase of a
second batch of 40 constructed aircraft.

The Su-30MKK is a sophisticated long-range attack version of the Su-27 that
can deliver a wide variety of ordnance.
The Russians counted on their "bans and restrictions", coupled with China's
practical limitations, to hold Beijing back from modernizing and exporting
non-licensed versions of the SU-27 and SU-30 variants without their help.
They relied on the fact that the AL-31F engines and all the sets of
radio-electronic equipment for these planes had to come fromRussia.

However, Chinese intelligence has actively pursued the secrets of the
aircraft sub-systems Russia is withholding. During early 1999, a plot to
steal key Sukhoi Su-27 technologies denied to China was reportedly foiled by
the Russian Federal Security Service; on May 1, 1999, the Russian Far East
Military District Court charged two Chinese nationals and five Russians with
stripping two sets of equipment from Russian operational aircraft and from
the Komsomolsk-na-Amur Aviation Production Works, where the Su-27 is
manufactured. Most of the stolen items were believed recovered.

The Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment, Luoyang, Henan Province,
where Zhu is employed, has been a key R&D establishment for Chinese airborne
fire control systems for two decades. It has over 1,500 employees, including
some 100 senior scientists and 300 engineers. Its departments include: fire
control engineering; fire control computer; electro-optical display
technology; rate gyro sensor; TV, laser and infrared technology; fire
control simulation technology; opto-electronic aiming technology; trial
production factory, etc. It has developed three generations of fire control
and electro-optical systems (e.g. automatic tracking systems, helmet-mounted
tracking and display systems, airborne video recording systems, HUD/fire
targeting system, etc.), some of which the institute claims have reached
Western levels of sophistication. The institute has ISO9001 quality
certification and a simulation lab for airborne fire control systems.

Its work, crowned by Zhu Rong Gong's duplication feat, has contributed
significantly towards China mass-producing its own updated and improved
versions of the Su-27 fighter aircraft design, free of dependence on Moscow.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=84

Postado por Blindado_BR no tópico do FX:

BlInDaDo-BR escreveu:25 Fevereiro 2009

Para quem comentou uma antecipação de entrega do Fx-2 para 2012!!!!

Su-35 entrará em serviço na Força Aérea Russa em 2011


Os caças multifuncionais Su-35 serão incorporados à Força Aérea Russa a partir de 2011, comunicou a companhia Sukhoi.

Os dois primeiros protótipos Su-35 já realizaram 87 voos com sucesso, desde julho de 2008, demonstrando a técnica superior da aeronave e suas características de combate. Outro protótipo deverá ser construído para aumentar os voos de testes a 150/160, em 2009.

O caça é dotado de dois motores 117S com empuxo vetorado, combinando alta manobrabilidade e capacidade de engajar múltiplos alvos simultâneamente. O radar Irbis-E phased array permite ao piloto rastrear até 30 alvos aéreos, engajando 8 alvos ao mesmo tempo.

O Su-35BM é equipado com um canhão de 30mm com 150 projéteis e pode levar até 8 toneladas de armamento em 12 pontos duros.

O caça é considerado de geração 4++, ou seja, é uma aeronave de quarta geração que utiliza algumas tecnologias de quinta geração. A Sukhoi pretende produzí-lo até 2020.

4++,que diabo de geração é essa?

Só os russos? Todo mundo que vende pra eles acabam com problemas, pois eles têm uma relação comercial predatória com seus fornecedores, aprendem e depois não compram mais nada, os russos abriram tanto as pernas que ficarão em breve sem um cliente potencial para os PA-KAF, talvez seja até bom pra Rússia manter relações com um país mais sério, como a Índia, o Brasil.

Mapinguari escreveu:Pelo jeito, os russos sifu nas mãos dos chineses... Já pensaram se a moda pega?

Chinese Engineer Cracks Russian Su-27 Fighter Production Codes
A DEBKAfile Exclusive from Beijing
June 29, 2002

A 33-year old Chinese software engineer, Zhu Rong Gong, has duplicated the
secret fire-control software and systems integration for Russia's Su-27
series of aircraft, giving his country's drive towards the fully autonomous
production of this potent weapon a sharp spurt.

DEBKAfile reports this feat of Beijing's commercial-military intelligence
from its exclusive Chinese sources.

Zhu, who works at China's Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment
(AVIC Research Institute Number 613), has won many awards, including a
personal commendation from Defense Minister General Chi Haotian.

China is currently believed to operate 100 or more of these state of the art
fighter aircraft, which parallel the Russian Mig-29 and US F-15C. In
February 1996, Russia sold full Su-27 production rights to China for US$2.5
billion, but withheld the production secrets of certain key technologies,
such as the software used to control the aircraft's sophisticated integrated
fire control system, which were supplied only in "black box" form.

Initially, China completed its first domestic production of SU-27s, which
the Chinese air force designates J-11, in late 1998, from imported
components. By the end of this year, its output is expected to reach ten
aircraft and then rise to 15 annually. The Chinese estimate eventual
domestic production going up to 100 per year, although Western estimates put
this total at no more than 10 to 20 aircraft per year with substantial
Russian assistance.

During August 1999, Beijing and Moscow signed an agreement for the purchase
of 40 or more Su-30MKK (i.e. modernizirovannyi kommerchesky dla Kitaya, or
`modernized commercially for China') fighter-bombers from the Irktusk
Aircraft Production Association in a contract worth up to another US$2.5
billion. A co-production agreement was subsequently made for an additional
250 aircraft, most likely at the Shenyang facility, and the purchase of a
second batch of 40 constructed aircraft.

The Su-30MKK is a sophisticated long-range attack version of the Su-27 that
can deliver a wide variety of ordnance.
The Russians counted on their "bans and restrictions", coupled with China's
practical limitations, to hold Beijing back from modernizing and exporting
non-licensed versions of the SU-27 and SU-30 variants without their help.
They relied on the fact that the AL-31F engines and all the sets of
radio-electronic equipment for these planes had to come fromRussia.

However, Chinese intelligence has actively pursued the secrets of the
aircraft sub-systems Russia is withholding. During early 1999, a plot to
steal key Sukhoi Su-27 technologies denied to China was reportedly foiled by
the Russian Federal Security Service; on May 1, 1999, the Russian Far East
Military District Court charged two Chinese nationals and five Russians with
stripping two sets of equipment from Russian operational aircraft and from
the Komsomolsk-na-Amur Aviation Production Works, where the Su-27 is
manufactured. Most of the stolen items were believed recovered.

The Luoyang Institute of Electro-Optical Equipment, Luoyang, Henan Province,
where Zhu is employed, has been a key R&D establishment for Chinese airborne
fire control systems for two decades. It has over 1,500 employees, including
some 100 senior scientists and 300 engineers. Its departments include: fire
control engineering; fire control computer; electro-optical display
technology; rate gyro sensor; TV, laser and infrared technology; fire
control simulation technology; opto-electronic aiming technology; trial
production factory, etc. It has developed three generations of fire control
and electro-optical systems (e.g. automatic tracking systems, helmet-mounted
tracking and display systems, airborne video recording systems, HUD/fire
targeting system, etc.), some of which the institute claims have reached
Western levels of sophistication. The institute has ISO9001 quality
certification and a simulation lab for airborne fire control systems.

Its work, crowned by Zhu Rong Gong's duplication feat, has contributed
significantly towards China mass-producing its own updated and improved
versions of the Su-27 fighter aircraft design, free of dependence on Moscow.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=84

usskelvin escreveu:4++,que diabo de geração é essa?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_generation_jet_fighter

Quarta geração com algumas melhorias, não é nem quarta geração pura e nem quinta geração.