Marinha da Federação Russa

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E ainda se dizia serem quase indetectáveis.

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Também não tinham de navegar muito, o objetivo era ficarem debaixo do gelo do Ártico e daí lançarem os mísseis balísticos contra os EUA

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Russia Is Using Treaty Clause To Change Submarine Balance In Mediterranean

H I Sutton 07 Jul 2020


The timeline shows that Russia has maintained two Black Sea Fleet submarines in the Mediterranean since late 2017. When they leave the Black Sea through the Bosporus Russia says that it is for repairs. This is important because of the Montreux Agreement which prohibits submarines from passing between the two seas. Image H I Sutton, with photos from Yörük Işık

The Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet can now deploy its submarines to the Mediterranean. This is despite an international treaty which many thought would prevent it. The Montreux Convention, agreed in 1936, prohibits submarines from passing through the Bosporus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. There are exceptions in the treaty for special cases for Black Sea nations: delivery of new submarines to the Black Sea, and exits for repairs. Russia is now routinely using these clauses to reestablish a permanent submarine presence in the Mediterranean. This is changing the balance of power there.

The deployment of these submarines to the Mediterranean is a serious concern for NATO leadership. Speaking at the International Institute for Strategic Studies on June 25, Admiral James Foggo, Commander of U.S. Naval Forces in Europe and Africa, described the Eastern Mediterranean as “one of the most kinetic areas in the world.” He said, “the Russians are deploying quiet, modern, diesel submarines capable of launching the Kalibr cruise missile.” This refers to Kilo-class boats deploying there via the Bosporus.

“A Kilo-class submarine can go anywhere in European waters and strike any European or North African capitol from under the waves. You don’t see it coming.” Admiral Foggo said. He was speaking just two days after the latest boat, the Rostov-on-Don, had passed through the Bosporus.

Russia later said that the Rostov-on-Don was going for scheduled repairs. This is to make the movement legal under the Montreux Convention. But like other submarines before her, she is believed to be heading first for a combat patrol in the Mediterranean. Even if she was going straight for repair, the fact would remain that other submarines have used this clause to deploy to the Mediterranean.

How Russia Has Changed The Norm
Russia disestablished its Mediterranean squadron in 1993 following the end of the Cold War. During the Cold War the submarines of the squadron had been drawn from the Northern Fleet, based in the Arctic, and the Baltic Fleet. This was because the Montreux Convention stopped them from using the Black Sea Fleet’s subs.

The current pattern started in 2015, shortly after Russia’s intervention of the war in Syria. The same submarine, Rostov-on-Don, paused shortly in the Mediterranean during its delivery voyage to the Black Sea. It launched Kalibr missiles at targets in Syria before transiting the Bosporus Strait. Then in 2017 another Kilo-class boat, Krasnodar, did the same thing. This time its pre-delivery combat excursion was longer, a couple of months.

As the Krasnodar entered the Black Sea, two of her sister boats, Velikiy Novgorod and Kolpino, started their own pre-delivery combat deployments. This time they were there much longer, over a year. When they did eventually sail through the Bosporus it was “for the first time after their construction or purchase.”

With all six Improved Kilo-class submarines destined for the Black Sea Fleet now there, Russia could not use the pre-delivery clause again. Therefore, the two boats which replace Velikiy Novgorod and Kolpino on station in the Mediterranean had to pass out of the Black Sea. Thus Staryy Oskol and Krasnodar passed south through the Bosporus ostensibly for scheduled maintenance.

The move raised eyebrows at the time, with the U.S. Naval Institute writing that if the submarine(s) conducted military operations it could be considered a breach of the Montreux Convention. “That could prompt a round of political and diplomatic confrontations.”

Russia has sent a few subs out of the Black Sea for maintenance previously, but those moves have been more straightforward. A small precedent might be in 2011 when an older Kilo-class submarine, the Alrosa, briefly paused en-route to take part in an international submarine rescue exercise.


The Russian Navy Kilo Class submarine Rostov-on-Don (B-237) passing south through the Bosporus on June 23. The Russian government has said that it is going for scheduled repairs. Image Yörük Işık

Staryy Oskol and Krasnodar both reported for duty in the Mediterranean after transiting the Bosporus. One of them, Krasnodar, was still there in June. And so it continues. Another two submarines have since passed south through the Bosporus to go for “scheduled maintenance.” You might be able to find them in Tartus, Syria.

The Shift In The Balance of Power
Russia now has, in effect, a permanent submarine force in the Mediterranean using Black Sea Fleet boats, despite the Montreux Convention. Russia could already deploy submarines to the Mediterranean from its Baltic and Northern Fleets. But these fleets are further away and have competing priorities. So the Black Sea Fleet’s Kalibr-capable Kilos have become the submarines of choice.

The agreement will not mean much if it is not enforced. But the new status quo could see Russia liberate itself from the spirit of the treaty while keeping other countries, notably the U.S. and its NATO allies, bound by its terms. The NATO response to the situation has been muted. Many countries are preoccupied with other topics and there have not been any signs of political consequences for Russia.

Western planners may be imagining a future where the Russian Navy mirrors its position in Tartus, Syria, with a similar foothold in Libya.

Turkey should also have cause for concern. The submarines are deploying directly to a military conflict where Russia and Turkey are taking opposing positions. The same is true of the conflict in Libya. Turkey has the means to stop vessels transiting, at least in peacetime. The political situation between the two countries is delicate however and for the moment there are no overt signs that Turkey will react.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... terranean/

[FCarvalho]

Não que sei submarinos vão fazer grande diferença no balanço geral de forças no mediterrâneo, mas só a sua presença já causa no mínimo um desconforto no almirantado europeu, dado que trata-se de subs com capacidade de ataque além do horizonte. E só isso é um problema em si mesmo.

Na última década o mediterrâneo deixou de ser um lago calmo e tranquilo com seus inquilinos à beira mar desfrutando do sol e da vista.

Nuvens chegam de todos os lados, e a previsão do tempo tende a mar grosso nos próximos anos.

abs

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E não esquecer a importância vital de tartus

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This satellite image clearly shows the two Russian Navy seal or dolphin pens at Tartus, Syria, in 2018

Russian Navy Has Deployed Marine Mammals In Syrian Civil War
The Russian Navy appears to have deployed marine mammals in Syria during the civil war two years ago. H I Sutton has the story.
H I Sutton 10 Jul 2020

Open source intelligence (OSINT) reveals that Marine Mammal pens were present at the Russian Navy’s base in Tartus, Syria, for a period in 2018. The deployment does not appear to have been reported previously. The mammals were likely part of anti-diver defenses at the base, which is the a crucial logistics hub for Russian forces operating in the country.

Two rectangular pens are clearly visible on commercial satellite imagery between September and December 2018. Based on the size of the pens the mammals involved were most likely seals. Dolphin pens are normally larger and octagonal in shape. The same goes for the Beluga whales used in colder waters such as the one which found itself in Norway in April 2019. The Russian Navy is known to train seals for anti-diver missions, but exact details of the current inventory of marine mammals is unclear.


A Russian Navy trained seal. Some of the animals are trained to conduct anti-diver operations. This example is from the Arctic region.

There is a lot for Russia to protect in Tartus. It is their only naval base in Syria and more generally, the Mediterranean. Virtually all of the Bosporus Express traffic of arms and equipment is heading there. And it is the home port of the permanent Mediterranean squadron, known as the 5th Operational Squadron. This has warships and even submarines, although their deployment there is complicated by the Montreux Convention which was intended, in part, to stop submarines being deployed between the Black Sea and Mediterranean. This hasn’t stopped Russia deploying its Black Sea Fleet subs to Tartus however.

The exact location of the pens, on the end of the main military quay, is actually a spot within the Syrian Navy’s area. However the berths there are generally used by Russian forces and the pens were flanked by Russian naval vessels. So combined with what is known of Russia’s marine mammal program infrastructure, there seems little doubt that it was a Russian deployment.

It is not clear why the mammal deployment only lasted a few months. Possibly their mission may have been specific or of a fixed duration. Or maybe it was experimental, to build up the Russian Navy’s resurgent marine mammal program’s capabilities. Or the deployment was not considered a success and was abandoned.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... civil-war/

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Udaloy modificado

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https://tass.com/politics/1178733

[FCarvalho]

Udaloy... está aí a classe de navios da era soviética de melhor desenho e características. Tão bom que até dá para fazer uma repaginada nele e deixá-lo em dia com a realidade atual.
Dava até um caldo por aqui se deixassem a gente colocar as mãos em alguns.

abs

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Udaloy modificado

Não achei nada bom esta modernização pois o navio tão grande não deixou entrar muito armamento nele. Paliativo até outros mais modernos chegarem dos estaleiros.

[EDSON]

Em poucos dias a Rússia iniciou a montagem de vários navios novos.

[FCarvalho]

Não achei nada bom esta modernização pois o navio tão grande não deixou entrar muito armamento nele. Paliativo até outros mais modernos chegarem dos estaleiros.

Ou simplesmente foi o que quiseram dispor nele pela idade e tempo que ainda poderá servir. O grosso dos investimentos para estar sendo concentrado em novos meios navais.

abs

[FCarvalho]

Edson, já decidirem qual o modelo para o novo navios de assalto?

abs

[EDSON]

Edson, já decidirem qual o modelo para o novo navios de assalto?

abs

Project 23900 peixe boi não sei se sera este o desenho mas iniciou-se ontem a montagem.












Possível embarcação de desembarque:

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project ... sault_ship