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avc1 escreveu:sei não, esse Su-57 nunca me convenceu

avc1 escreveu:sei não, esse Su-57 nunca me convenceu

O F22 e F35 também nunca me convenceram. Existe mais marketing envolvido do que realidade.

Ainda não foram provados em combate como seus outros irmãos F14, F15, F16, F18.

Abraços.

Naval escreveu:

avc1 escreveu:sei não, esse Su-57 nunca me convenceu

O F22 e F35 também nunca me convenceram. Existe mais marketing envolvido do que realidade.

Ainda não foram provados em combate como seus outros irmãos F14, F15, F16, F18.

Abraços.

O F22 tem sido usado em combate constantemente nessa guerra e até agora ninguém da Força Aérea Síria foi louco o suficiente de peitar um desses.

Viktor Reznov escreveu:O F22 tem sido usado em combate constantemente nessa guerra e até agora ninguém da Força Aérea Síria foi louco o suficiente de peitar um desses.

Mas a Força Aérea Síria já chegou a peitar um caça americano qualquer que seja? Acredito que os próprios russos derrubem um caça sírio para esse não tentar suicídio contra um caça americano.

Então, não conheço a fundo o Su-57, é opinião de entusiasta mesmo e pelo que leio na internet.
Olhando o Su-57, ele ainda passa a impressão de algo inacabado, o escapamento dos motores nada tem de aeronave stealth, o nariz ....aquilo la pra mim não passa de uma plataforma de testes, não acredito nem um pouco que ele possa fazer frente ao F-22 por exemplo...só minha opinião galera, estou aberto a debates e tampouco me considero certo...

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle

US Army Brigadier General Jonathan Braga also said he was 'absolutely worried' the situation could have escalated in a bigger conflict.
BY JOSEPH TREVITHICKMARCH 16, 2018



senior U.S. general appears to have confirmed that hundreds of Russians fought – and died – in a major battle against American forces and their local counterparts in Syria. More importantly, U.S. Army Brigadier General Jonathan Braga, director of operations for the main U.S. military task force in charge of operations in Iraq and Syria, said he feared the situation could have escalated into an all-out conflict with Russia, something we at The War Zone have warned repeatedly is becoming a worryingly realistic possibility.

Braga gave the surprisingly candid account of what had happened to NBC's Richard Engel, who traveled with the general to visit the exact site of the incident in Syria and to see what the U.S. military was doing to improve its defensive posture.

The skirmish occurred on Feb. 7, 2018 when forces aligned with Syria's dictator Bashar Al Assad, backed by Russian mercenaries from a shadowy company called Wagner, which are possibly under the direct control of the Kremlin, launched an attack on U.S. forces and members of the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, a predominately Kurdish group, in eastern Syria. The opposing force consisted of tanks and heavy artillery.


After a massive American counter-attack involving air and artillery strikes beat back the opposing troops, reports emerged afterwards suggesting that as many as 200 Russians had died in the engagement.

The initial attack "led to immediate phone conversations with the Russians to inquire what was going on, to cease this if they had any knowledge of this," Braga told Engel. The Russians responded by saying "those are not our forces and at that time it was confusing," the general added.

Based on the segments of the interview that NBC has released so far, Braga does not specifically say the Russian government ordered the operation or otherwise had any direct involvement in it. He does, however, clearly say the U.S. government believes it killed a significant number of Russian nationals during the battle and unequivocally says he was concerned that the situation could have spiraled into a much more serious conflagration.

A U.S. general w @CJTFOIR in northeastern #Syria describes the night that pro-regime fighters & Russian mercenaries attacked an American base here — the largest assault on U.S. forces since they entered the conflict. @RichardEngel is on the ground. More tonight on @NBCNightlyNews pic.twitter.com/5c7LBc8VTy

"There have been reports that two to three hundred of the Russian force was killed. Is that accurate?" Engel asked him in the interview. "We've seen that in open reports as well and that's I would say close to our estimates as well," Braga responded.

"Were you worried during this firefight, during this battle that this could have become sort of real war with Russia?" Engel continued. "Absolutely concerned and that's why, again, I had a professional dialogue with our [Russian] counterparts throughout the night," the general told him.

Braga's comments are of a significant different tenor from previous remarks from U.S. military and other government officials, including Secretary of Defense James Mattis, offered in the days and weeks following the incident. Mattis in particular repeatedly deflected and downplayed the presence of Russian mercenaries and the potentially serious implications of their involvement, especially as a proxy for the Kremlin itself.

Yet, on multiple occasions he described the idea that Russia would have had a direct hand in the incident as "perplexing," despite months of publicly increasing tensions between the two countries over the situation in the region, including already worrying aerial confrontations. The Russian government has, of course, denied any involvement, saying that there might have been just five "presumably Russian citizens" who died in the fighting, and deflecting accusations that it played any part in the incident with unfounded claims and conspiracy theories.

While we don't know what the reason for the shift in tone might be, Braga's new interview with NBC does follow a fiery speech from Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 1, 2018, in which he unveiled a host of new strategic weapons and implicitly threatened the United State and its allies. It also comes after a high-profile poisoning of a former Russian intelligence officer in the United Kingdom, which both the U.K. and American governments say was a Kremlin-ordered assassination attempt.

The interviews release also comes amid U.S. government reports of Russia-based cyber attacks on U.S. public and private institutions, including elements of the country's electric grid and political processes, all in the run-up to the 2018 U.S. mid-term congressional elections. The United States continues to investigate the extent if Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, though the U.S. Intelligence Community says it has little doubt that the Kremlin tried to interfere with those polls.

Putin, who is almost certain to win a fourth term as Russia's president a controversial election in polls just days away, appears to have increasingly turned to proxy forces in Syria, such as the Wagner forces, in order to better avoid criticism at home and abroad. In December 2017, he triumphantly toured the region and declared total victory in Syria during a stopover in that country.

There had been reports of growing Russian casualties in Syria, which could have given rhetorical ammunition to his braver political opponents. Just earlier in March 2018, a Russian Air Force An-26 transport plane crashed near the Kremlin's outpost in the western Syrian governorate of Latakia, killing all 32 individuals on board. There has been little additional information about this incident, with Russia said was not the result of enemy action.

Back in the eastern portion of the country, Braga seems to fear that another Russian-backed attack could easily come in the future. “I don’t think that’s healthy for de-escalation,” he told NBC's Engel, referring to the pro-Syrian forces still situated very close to American and SDF positions.

Whatever happens, there seems to be growing evidence that the two sides may already be in the midst of a low-level conflict, or least an uneasy standoff, whether they're actively fighting each other or not.

Contact the author: jtrevithickpr@gmail.com

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19 ... ive-battle

Que put@ de lata , e ainda se vem gabar.

"Assad conduz carro até Ghouta num domingo"

Deu pra perceber que ele estava com o fiofó na mão. kkkkkkkk

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/9-a ... -ballistic
Building collapsed in Idlib city after ballistic missile hit it

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/9-a ... ountryside
French military vehicles spotted in Manbij countryside

E agora, companheiro?

Trump sobre Síria: “Prepare-se, Rússia, porque os mísseis virão bonitos, novos e inteligentes”
Presidente dos EUA anuncia pelo Twitter que iniciará uma ofensiva bélica contra o regime de Bashar al-Assad

Mísseis "bons, novos e inteligentes". Donald Trump faz guerra como se estivesse vendendo um carro. Em um dos tuítes mais incomuns de seu impressionante mandato, o presidente dos Estados Unidos anunciou ao mundo que as hostilidades começarão contra o regime sírio e que será por meio de mísseis. Destruído qualquer indício de surpresa militar, o presidente permitiu-se enfrentar a Rússia, o grande padrinho do "animal" Bashar al-Assad, pedindo-lhe que "se preparasse" antes do desdobramento da guerra americana. "A Rússia promete abater todos os mísseis contra a Síria. Prepare-se, Rússia, porque o que virá será [mísseis] bonito, novo e inteligente. Você não deve ser parceiro de um animal que mata seu povo com gás e gosta disso!", disse Trump no Twitter.

A bola foi lançada, e Trump não demorou meia hora para voltar a seus pés. Foi em outro tweet, também voltado para a Rússia, mas desta vez em tom conciliatório e buscando o fim da corrida armamentista. "Nosso relacionamento com a Rússia está pior do que nunca, e isso inclui a Guerra Fria. Não há razão para isso, a Rússia precisa que ajudemos sua economia, algo que seria muito fácil de fazer e precisamos que todas as nações trabalhem juntos. Coloquemos um fim à corrida armamentista?", ele tuitou.

As mensagens de Trump chegam em um momento em que o mundo já se preparava para uma iminente intervenção militar. A agência europeia de tráfego aéreo Eurocontrol recomendou que todas as companhias tomem precauções no Mediterrâneo oriental em vista da possibilidade de ataques aéreos na Síria nas próximas 72 horas. A advertência, segundo a Reuters, refere-se especialmente ao lançamento de mísseis de cruzeiro e também alerta para possíveis interrupções nos equipamentos de radionavegação. “É preciso tomar as medidas adequadas nos planos de voo no Mediterrâneo oriental”, sublinha a Eurocontrol.

O ataque proposto pelos EUA é uma resposta ao suposto uso de armas químicas por parte do regime de al-Assad contra a população civil em Duma, um reduto rebelde na periferia de Damasco. A ofensiva, que matou 60 civis e causou centenas de feridos no sábado, foi entendida pela Casa Branca como um desafio à linha vermelha traçada por Trump há um ano, quando, depois de uma matança similar, arrasou com 59 mísseis Tomahawk a base aérea de Shayrat, na cidade de Homs.

Naquela ocasião, a resposta norte-americana foi unilateral. Agora, Trump procurou o apoio de seus aliados. França, Reino Unido e Arábia Saudita se mostraram dispostos a participar de uma ação conjunta. Apesar dessa coordenação, a natureza do ataque é um mistério. Os especialistas apontam que, caso aconteça, será maior que o de 2017 e que, dada a suposta reincidência de Assad no uso de armas químicas, buscará um efeito dissuasivo de longo prazo. Também não se sabe quando ocorrerá, mas Trump adiantou na segunda-feira que tomaria uma decisão nas próximas “24-48 horas”. Enquanto isso, suspendeu sua participação na Cúpula das Américas, prevista para a sexta-feira e o sábado, e insistiu que o autor do ataque de Duma “pagará um alto preço”. “Se tiver sido a Rússia, se tiver sido a Síria, se tiver sido o Irã, se tiverem sido todos juntos, vamos resolver”, tuitou.

https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2018/0 ... 51711.html

Pirou de vez.

Está disposto a sacrificar a vida milhões só para mostrar que e machão?

Perdeu toda a noção da realidade.