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Tem q arranjar um motivo emergencial para o uso do PA. Assim como para a Copa do mundo foram destinados recursos financeiros, assim q conseguimos q a competição fosse realizada aqui (com um retorno financeiro duradouro no campo do turismo), se a MB for necessária para dar suporte numa situação de conflito na África, por exemplo, os recursos aparecerão. Inclusive para mais Subs também.

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augustoviana75 escreveu:Tem q arranjar um motivo emergencial para o uso do PA. Assim como para a Copa do mundo foram destinados recursos financeiros, assim q conseguimos q a competição fosse realizada aqui (com um retorno financeiro duradouro no campo do turismo), se a MB for necessária para dar suporte numa situação de conflito na África, por exemplo, os recursos aparecerão. Inclusive para mais Subs também.

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A questão é que não se opera um PA da noite para o dia. Existe uma complexidade enorme no que diz respeito as operações deste tipo de embarcação ... Não dá para ser somente por questões emergenciais ... Com relação as situações no litoral africano ... essas já começaram a aparecer ... e não devemos ficar surpresos se embarcações de bandeira brasileira forem vítimas da pirataria que anda por essas bandas ... na minha opinião isso é questão de tempo para acontecer.

Abs,

Ministro da Defesa Peter Luff discute o F-35 e a capacidade de ataque de porta-aviões
http://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/?p=3645

Marino escreveu:http://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/?p=3645

13846 [INDIA] India is planning to operate at least two aircraft carriers at any given time, once its indigenous programme for such large warships is complete. Opções

Plan to operate two carriers any given time: navy chief
Jun 25, 2012
New Delhi: India is planning to operate at least two aircraft carriers
at any given time, once its indigenous programme for such large
warships is complete.
This was stated by Indian Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma in an
address delivered at the International Institute for Strategic Studies
at London on Monday.
Admiral Nirmal Verma. Image courtesy PIB
Verma, who is in Britain on a three-day bilateral visit, informed the
gathering that “the indigenous aircraft carrier programme is planned
to be a continuing process over the next decade-plus, with the Indian
Navy’s medium term aim being to have at least two fully operational
and combat worthy carriers available at any given time”.
The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) is under construction at the
public sector Cochin Shipyard in Kerala. The keel laying for the first
IAC, christened INS Vikrant and to weigh about 45,000 tonnes, was done
in February 2009 and it is likely to join the Indian Navy service by
2016, as per the revised construction schedule.
India also plans to build another, larger IAC that will weigh about
65,000 tonnes and is likely to be called INS Vishal.
It is already operating the ageing INS Viraat, which has completed
close to 53 years of naval service having been HMS Hermes in the
British Royal Navy before being bought by India in 1987. Viraat, which
has already completed 25 years of service in the Indian Navy, is
expected to retire after INS Vikrant is inducted.
Moreover, the Russian-origin INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Russian
Navy’s Admiral Gorshkov) is undergoing sea trials ahead of its
induction into the Indian Navy in December this year.
Expressing pride in India’s progress along the road of indigenous
shipbuilding, Admiral Verma said the Indian Navy had articulated a
perspective plan for development of the force up to 2027, a plan that
was “capability-based rather than threat-based”.
On the emerging global geopolitical scenario, the Indian Navy chief
said, “The global gaze is focusing increasingly on the Asia-Pacific
region which underlines the significance of the Indian Ocean in global
security affairs.”
Painting a picture of an intensely competitive and dynamic Asia, the
admiral stressed the need to develop and prepare accordingly.
He drew the attention of those gathered to the possible state of
affairs in 2025, saying, “By the year 2025, three of the world’s four
largest economies will be in Asia. The region is also recognised as
the primary loci of ostensible non-state threats in the world.
Juxtaposed with these entities are three of the world’s four largest
Armies, and atleast four declared nuclear weapon states.”
Regarding the improving resource allocation to the Indian Navy in
India’s carefully controlled defence budget, he observed that “there
is an increasing realisation that the destiny of our nation is
entwined with our maritime destiny”.

USS Harry S. Truman
120708-N-UK248-070 ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 8, 2012) – The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) performs a full power run and rudder swing checks during sea trials. Truman is conducting sea trials in collaboration with Norfolk Naval Shipyard to train Sailors and ensure operability of equipment and systems while at sea. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kristina Young/Released)

USS Harry S. Truman
120708-N-UK248-072 ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 8, 2012) – The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) performs a full power run and rudder swing checks during sea trials. Truman is conducting sea trials in collaboration with Norfolk Naval Shipyard to train Sailors and ensure operability of equipment and systems while at sea. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kristina Young/Released)

USS Harry S. Truman
120708-N-UK248-074 ATLANTIC OCEAN (July 8, 2012) – The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) performs a full power run and rudder swing checks during sea trials. Truman is conducting sea trials in collaboration with Norfolk Naval Shipyard to train Sailors and ensure operability of equipment and systems while at sea. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kristina Young/Released)

Segura ... que o bicho está derrapando!!!

Pelo menos deve ser essa a sensação da tripulação ... muito legal!

ver uma coisa dessas na MB em um futuro seja a médio ou longo prazo está ficando cada vez mais distante. e sem quaisquer garantias de vir um dia a tornar-se realidade. sinceramente, estou cada vez ficando mais convencido de que se a desgraça não vier bater à nossa porta antes do cronograma do PEAMB exaurir-se, ou a leniênia dos políticos ser superada, precisaremos pensar seriamente em um novo país para nossos netos e bisnetos.



abs

FCarvalho escreveu:ver uma coisa dessas na MB em um futuro seja a médio ou longo prazo está ficando cada vez mais distante. e sem quaisquer garantias de vir um dia a tornar-se realidade. sinceramente, estou cada vez ficando mais convencido de que se a desgraça não vier bater à nossa porta antes do cronograma do PEAMB exaurir-se, ou a leniênia dos políticos ser superada, precisaremos pensar seriamente em um novo país para nossos netos e bisnetos.



abs

Tenho o mesmo desânimo que você colega.
Me sinto perdido dentro desse país que eu aprendi a gostar desde a infância, mas parece que quem o administra não se preocupa com ele.
Corrupção endêmica, violência, impunidade, omissão do governo com com a defesa, falta de visão de futuro, gente despreparada em posições de comando, tudo isso me deixa triste quando olho para minha família.

Abraços

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13954 [INDIA] The Indian navy is likely to call an end to its tryst with ski-jump aircraft carriers
20 de agoNOTICIARIONAVAL
Indian Navy Freezes Flat-Top Configuration

Source: Aviation Week & Space Technology
 August 20, 2012

Asia-Pacific Staff New Delhi

, deciding that its next big vessel will be a flat-top with a catapult-
launch system.
While India's first home-built carrier, known as the Vikrant, is to be
a 44,000-ton short-takeoff-but-arrested-recovery (Stobar) carrier, the
second ship—tentatively titled Vishal (“Immense”)—is seen as a 65,000-
ton flat-top with a steam-catapult system. The Naval Design Bureau,
which oversees design and implementation of all indigenous warship
building efforts, is expected to freeze its requirements by year-end.

A commodore with the Naval Design Bureau says, “A decision has been
taken to move away from conventional Stobar and short-takeoff-or-
vertical-landing (Stovl) operations.”

The navy's Sea Harrier fleet is closing out its service. The Indian
carrier Vikramaditya—the former Russian carrier Admiral Gorshkov—and
first indigenous carrier (Vikrant) will be transition vessels to
Stobar operations. The next logical step is catapult-assisted takeoff-
and-barrier-arrested recovery (Catobar), “which brings with it immense
advantages in the mix of assets we can deploy on deck,” says the
commodore.

The navy has been known to want to deploy heavier fighters from a
carrier. Still, the freeze on a flat-top catapult-launch design also
dramatically changes the navy's future fighter requirement. In 2009,
the service invited information to support a purchase of aircraft for
deck-based operations, which did not specify launch type but had been
presumed to be Stobar. Several companies were asked for information:
Russia's MiG and Sukhoi for the MiG-29K and Su-33, respectively;
Dassault Aviation with the Rafale (noting that the Rafale could be
modified for Stobar operations); Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike
Fighter; Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; and two aircraft concepts—
Saab's Sea Gripen and Eurofighter's Naval Typhoon.

A catapult carrier could narrow the field to a competition involving a
modified Su-33, the F/A-18, F-35C and Rafale. The Rafale—currently in
final negotiations for the Indian air force's largest-ever fighter
purchase, worth around $12 billion for 126 aircraft—has already pushed
its case with the navy, underlining type commonality.

Officials at Eurofighter said they had heard about the navy's plans
with the second aircraft carrier, and agreed that such a decision
would all but rule out the Naval Typhoon from future navy contests.
“The Typhoon can be modified for Catobar operations, but it is
unlikely that the economies of such a modification will work out. And
this is before we even talk numbers of aircraft,” says a senior EADS
executive in India.

A flat-top configuration also supports the navy's interest in fixed-
wing airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft for operations off a
carrier, and comes as good news for Northrop Grumman, which has spent
the better part of the last decade pitching its E-2 Hawkeye to the
Indian navy. The company, in fact, has also offered to help the navy
with concept and integration of a steam catapult on the new carrier.
Boeing is likewise expected to make its first presentations to the
Indian navy later this year on the V-22 Osprey, both as a utility
aircraft and a modified AEW platform.

But India's first flat-top is unlikely to see service before 2025. For
starters, the Vikrant has experienced further delays, now totaling
five years, and will not be commissioned until at least 2017. Apart
from the attendant development and manufacturing difficulties that
India's most ambitious shipbuilding effort brought with it, the
program has been fraught with integration worries—including a recent
road accident in which giant generators being transported to the
shipbuilding site in south India were damaged and had to be returned
to their manufacturer for inspection. Also, the state-owned Cochin
Shipyard is not big enough to accept anything larger than India's
first home-built Stobar carrier. So the navy will now need to identify
a shipyard that can build a much bigger carrier.

The navy chief, Adm. Nirmal Verma, who will retire shortly, remains
circumspect, saying: “It is too early to talk about the [second
carrier]. There are other priorities right now, particularly the first
carrier. Our designers are working toward the second.”

India's existing carrier, the INS Viraat, which has more than 50 years
in total service, is not likely to be stretched beyond 2014. Its fleet
of Stovl Sea Harriers is already down to just nine aircraft. The
Vikramaditya, currently in trials in the White Sea, is expected to
join the service early next year and will have a squadron of MiG-29Ks;
16 aircraft have been delivered and 29 more will begin to arrive in
three months. Both ships will also operate variants of the indigenous
Light Combat Aircraft-Navy, though it remains to be seen if the Mk. 1
version of the fighter proves safe and powerful enough for deck-based
operations.