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Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Qui Mar 14, 2024 2:17 pm
por cabeça de martelo
FOXTROT escreveu: Qui Mar 14, 2024 1:24 pm

Algumas botas estão lá, vocês precisam admitir isso, eu quero que enviem mais, quanto mais forem mais vão morrer.

Rússia triunfa, é assim desde Napoleão. :wink:

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Napoleão?

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Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Qui Mar 14, 2024 2:53 pm
por cabeça de martelo
Israel’s 3 biggest defense companies take stock after 5 months of war

With thousands of their employees called up to the reserves, the companies moved to 24/7 shifts to supply the IDF, while continuing sales abroad, executives at each told Breaking Defense.

By SETH J. FRANTZMAN
on March 13, 2024 at 7:28 AM

JERUSALEM — Israel Aerospace Industries CEO Boaz Levy said he remembers the first days after the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. It meant a clear break with the past.

“We found ourselves on Oct. 7 in a different situation and different environment and knew right away that this wasn’t like a usual operation and that something else was going on,” he said in an interview with Breaking Defense.

IAI called in personnel on the first day of the war, he said. “We began by analyzing the situation and what we anticipated the needs would be as Israel defended itself.”

Israel’s three largest defense companies, IAI, Elbit Systems and Rafael Advance Defense Systems, have seen record sales over the last two years, and they have seen increasing demand for their systems, especially since Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

But five months into the conflict in Gaza, executives at the firms said their companies have felt the strain of the war. The shock of the Oct. 7 attack, the call-up of employees to reserve duty, and the move to 24/7 production all made the last five months the most intense in Israel’s history for the three companies, executives at each told Breaking Defense.

In addition to IAI’s Levy, Breaking Defense spoke to Ran Kril, executive vice president of international marketing and business development at Elbit, and with Gidi Weiss, vice president of strategy, business development and marketing at Rafael.

“There was a lot of uncertainty during the first few days, and we worked together with Israel’s Ministry of Defense to assess their needs and the solutions we could provide to help them defend the State of Israel,” Levy said. “IAI is a government-owned company and as such we see ourselves as part of Israel’s defense system.”

Employees Called Up, Tech Put To The Test
At Elbit, Kril said that in the first days of the war a “substantial” number of the private firm’s 20,000 employees were called up to reserve duty. Israeli men and women serve in the IDF and then can be called up for the reserves in the decades after their mandatory service ends.

“We had at the beginning a couple of weeks of ambiguity in order to provide the maximum support for our customers,” Kril recalls. He said that 80 percent of the company’s revenue comes from customers outside of Israel. As such, the company doesn’t have the luxury to not support those customers. But Kril said that even with the call-ups, there was not a “severe impact” on the company’s ability to support customers abroad.

Elbit makes numerous systems for the IDF, from the Hermes drone to munitions for the artillery, as well as the new Iron Sting mortar, and Iron Fist active protection for the Eitan APC.

“We have reorganized our operations in supply chains and production, and we have substantially recovered and we are quite ok with our customers,” he said. “I wouldn’t say it is perfect. It is stable.”

After five months, with many of the employees back from the reserves as Israel redeploys forces and shifts gears in Gaza, the company is improving its deliveries to its customers, Kril said. Still, he said the company will hire around 1,000 employees this year.

“Many of them have been recruited to support production that is working 24/7, as the war is moving forward,” he said.

At Rafael, which is government-owned and a historic wheelhouse of research and development for Israel’s Ministry of Defense, around 2,000 of the 9,000 employees went to the reserves, according to Weiss. He said another 250 families of employees had been displaced by the war after Israel evacuated almost 200,000 people from border communities near Gaza and Lebanon.

Rafael makes many key systems central to Israeli operations, such as the famous Iron Dome air defense system, as well as the Trophy active protection system — a tech platform that can be mounted on armored vehicles or tanks and guard against incoming aerial threats.

Weiss said these systems faced off against a “never in history” type of event in Gaza, due to the crowded urban battlefield and volume to RPG and anti-tank missile fire directed at Israeli forces.

“There were a few casualties and lessons learned, but to think the amount of the threats shot and the few casualties we have had is mind boggling,” he said.

Israel says 249 of its soldiers have perished since Jerusalem began its counter-attack after Oct. 7, which has also claimed the lives of an estimated 30,000 Palestinians.

Rafael also makes the Firefly loitering munition, which has been used for the first time extensively in the Gaza conflict, Weiss said. The company’s Typhoon weapon station naval mount has also seen use in the war as Israeli naval forces support ground operations in Gaza.

Meanwhile IAI, like the other companies, moved to three shifts a day, working seven days a week to meet the needs of the IDF, Levy said. The company has 15,000 employees, and Levy estimates around 2,000 were called up.

Future Prospects
In the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, several nations, especially in Europe, began looking eagerly for new defense tech and equipment to better deter further aggression and prepare themselves should it come anyway. That has meant some big business for Israeli firms, whose systems have been tested more than most in real-world combat.

Germany, for instance, purchased the Arrow air defense system, jointly developed with the US and made by IAI, in 2023. The David’s Sling air defense system, also developed with the US and produced by Rafael, was sold to Finland.

As they’re sold abroad, both systems have now scored numerous interceptions in the recent war as Hamas and other Iran-backed groups like the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon lob rockets, missiles and drones at Israeli targets.

But considering the large number of deals the companies have announced in the last two years, in the first five months of the war the companies appeared to be laying somewhat low, both in terms of big announcements and presence at international defense shows.

Each exec said, however, that’s not the case.

“We are continuing to sign deals and attend trade shows, most recently at the Singapore Airshow and we will be at upcoming shows in Chile and Paris,” says Levy. “Our financial report will be published next month which will include the first quarter of 2024 along with the summary of 2023, of which the war took place during the last quarter. When the report comes out, you will see that our new orders are doing quite well when compared to last year’s orders, you have to wait until we publish.”

Elbit’s Kril said his company, too, is not “trying to hide.”

“Usually at the beginning of the year we don’t participate in numerous shows and exhibitions. We are planning this year for Germany and Eurosatory and UK Farnborough and RIAT [Royal International Air Tattoo] so everything is as planned, and we have others [we will attend].”

He said the war hasn’t resulted in a delay or reduced appetite for the company’s solutions, “maybe on the contrary.”

At Rafael, the company has focused on operationally relevant announcements, according to a company spokesperson. Weiss noted that the first foreign exhibition the company attended was in early January in the United Kingdom, the International Armoured Vehicles conference.

“People showed up because they knew the active protection and reactive armor worked hand-in-hand protecting vehicles and soldiers, enabling smooth operation and mission,” Weiss said.

The company has maintained business as usual, he said, amid protests against the war abroad.

Altogether, the executives from the three Israeli companies are confident that their systems have performed as expected in this intense period. Now, five months in, the companies are preparing to return to international exhibitions, looking for their next customers abroad.

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/isr ... hs-of-war/

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:07 pm
por prometheus
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Qui Mar 14, 2024 2:17 pm
FOXTROT escreveu: Qui Mar 14, 2024 1:24 pm

Algumas botas estão lá, vocês precisam admitir isso, eu quero que enviem mais, quanto mais forem mais vão morrer.

Rússia triunfa, é assim desde Napoleão. :wink:

Saudações

Napoleão?

Imagem

:arrow: https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/30-year ... operation/
Melhor mesmo foram os americanos que permaneceram uns 15-20 anos lá ...

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:21 pm
por cabeça de martelo
prometheus escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:07 pm
Melhor mesmo foram os americanos que permaneceram uns 15-20 anos lá ...
Americanos?! Passou por lá meio mundo, incluindo Portugueses. No final o Trump fez um acordo de paz e entregou o Afeganistão aos Talibans, tendo a culpa caído para o Biden porque era ele o Presidente em funções. Quando Kabul caiu, já a OTAN tinha saído à algum tempo.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 2:45 pm
por Suetham
A culpa do Biden recaiu sob a retirada patética e humilhante do Afeganistão e, sobre isso, o presidente no exercício anterior, se teve algum papel, esse papel foi mínimo. Teve até oficial superior do USMC criticando o senil por causa disso.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 2:46 pm
por Suetham


https://www.armyrecognition.com/hamas_g ... order.html
Transfer of Israel's Largest Army Division from the Gaza Strip to the Lebanese Border

https://www.armyrecognition.com/hamas_g ... strip.html
Israeli Army deploys new Lahav multi-caliber MLRS against Hamas militants in Gaza Strip

https://www.armyrecognition.com/hamas_g ... _cage.html
Israeli Merkava Mk.3 tank equipped with anti-drone cage

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:01 pm
por cabeça de martelo
Suetham escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 2:45 pm A culpa do Biden recaiu sob a retirada patética e humilhante do Afeganistão e, sobre isso, o presidente no exercício anterior, se teve algum papel, esse papel foi mínimo. Teve até oficial superior do USMC criticando o senil por causa disso.
Isso é pura e simplesmente mentira, o acordo de paz foi feito pelo Trump, a OTAN já se tinha retirado do Afeganistão.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:07 pm
por Suetham
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:01 pm
Suetham escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 2:45 pm A culpa do Biden recaiu sob a retirada patética e humilhante do Afeganistão e, sobre isso, o presidente no exercício anterior, se teve algum papel, esse papel foi mínimo. Teve até oficial superior do USMC criticando o senil por causa disso.
Isso é pura e simplesmente mentira, o acordo de paz foi feito pelo Trump, a OTAN já se tinha retirado do Afeganistão.
Você têm sérios problemas com interpretação de texto.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Dom Mar 17, 2024 5:36 am
por cabeça de martelo
Suetham escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:07 pm
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:01 pm

Isso é pura e simplesmente mentira, o acordo de paz foi feito pelo Trump, a OTAN já se tinha retirado do Afeganistão.
Você têm sérios problemas com interpretação de texto.
Idem. Então o responsável pela retirada da OTAN é um Presidente que nem sequer estava em funções. As unidades que efectuaram a retirada de não combatentes foram enviados de urgência ao Afeganistão. Não era tropa que estivesse lá. O que falas é que houve Oficiais que eram a favor do REGRESSO ao Afeganistão.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Dom Mar 17, 2024 10:18 am
por prometheus
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:21 pm
prometheus escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:07 pm

Melhor mesmo foram os americanos que permaneceram uns 15-20 anos lá ...
Americanos?! Passou por lá meio mundo, incluindo Portugueses. No final o Trump fez um acordo de paz e entregou o Afeganistão aos Talibans, tendo a culpa caído para o Biden porque era ele o Presidente em funções. Quando Kabul caiu, já a OTAN tinha saído à algum tempo.
Exatamente... Façanha pior que a dos soviéticos... Os americanos lideraram a operação c o Reino Unido e a OTAN apoiou, e, MESMO ASSIM, foi um FRACASSO TOTAL tendo que se retirar ainda no governo Obama e com os Talibans assumindo o governo por completo em 2021 sinalizando mais um acordo de derrota que de paz propriamente. Demorou mas o reconhecimento da humilhação e imbecilidade veio...

Boa sorte com a Rússia, Irã e China... Vão precisar....

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Dom Mar 17, 2024 11:40 am
por Suetham
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Dom Mar 17, 2024 5:36 am
Suetham escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 3:07 pm

Você têm sérios problemas com interpretação de texto.
Idem. Então o responsável pela retirada da OTAN é um Presidente que nem sequer estava em funções. As unidades que efectuaram a retirada de não combatentes foram enviados de urgência ao Afeganistão. Não era tropa que estivesse lá. O que falas é que houve Oficiais que eram a favor do REGRESSO ao Afeganistão.
Trump aprovou a saída do Afeganistão, não essa retirada desastrosa e vergonhosa do Afeganistão que RECAIU sob a administração ATUAL, então, o responsável por essa retirada foi totalmente do ATUAL presidente. O antecessor aprovou uma saída em transição, por isso deixou tropas lá, Biden que ordenou a retirada total até set/21(sem deixar nenhuma tropa residual lá) como o acordado pelo antecessor, no máximo, os dois são culpados, mas a sua defesa incansável do senil é interessante e isso nem sou eu quem digo, mas o relatório do Sigar:
https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/evaluations/S ... -22-IP.pdf

Inclusive, isso aqui é retirado da boca do seu presidente amado:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript ... y-23-2020/
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Washington Post quoted you this week in a story about Afghanistan, saying that back in 2010 you said to Richard Holbrooke, the then envoy, I'm not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women's rights. It just won't work. Not what we're there for. Is that how you remember it?
BIDEN: Yeah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Or what did you mean?
BIDEN: What I meant was there's a thousand places we could go to deal with injustice. I can think of 10 countries where women and or children and or people are being- are being persecuted or being hurt. But the idea of us going to be able to use our armed forces to solve every single internal problem that exists throughout the world is not within our capacity. The question is is America's vital self-interest at stake or the vital self-interest of one of our allies at stake? And the fact that they have a system in Afghanistan, as they do in parts of Pakistan, as they do in parts of other countries, that we're going to send troops to- because there is not a- a- human rights are not being valued to the same degree that we are, that's a different story about sending combat troops. We should call it out. We should go to the United Nations. We should be saying this is what's happening. We should try to shame and get the world to put pressure on, an economic pressure, on people who engage- countries who engage in that but not send troops. That's what I meant. It is not sufficient. That was my point. And the idea was, and I think Richard had said something like, well women are being abused there. I said they're being abused in a lot of places around the world. Are we going to send our American forces all over the world to make sure that stops?

MARGARET BRENNAN: But then don't you bear some responsibility for the outcome if the Taliban ends up back in control and women end up losing the rights?
BIDEN: No I don't. Look, are you telling me that we should go into China because- go to war with China because what they're doing to the Uyghurs, a million Uyghurs, in the- out in the West in concentration camps? Is that what you're saying to me?
Resumindo: Biden não estava nem aí para Direitos Humanos no Afeganistão. A estratégia dele deu certo: Talibã retornou ao poder e não preciso falar o que aconteceu depois.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Dom Mar 17, 2024 11:44 am
por Suetham
prometheus escreveu: Dom Mar 17, 2024 10:18 am
cabeça de martelo escreveu: Sáb Mar 16, 2024 12:21 pm

Americanos?! Passou por lá meio mundo, incluindo Portugueses. No final o Trump fez um acordo de paz e entregou o Afeganistão aos Talibans, tendo a culpa caído para o Biden porque era ele o Presidente em funções. Quando Kabul caiu, já a OTAN tinha saído à algum tempo.
Boa sorte com a Rússia, Irã e China... Vão precisar....
Vão precisar não. A Rússia está acabada. Os aiatolás vão cair. E a China vai colapsar.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Dom Mar 17, 2024 6:07 pm
por FOXTROT
Um comandante de pelotão das IDF gostou tanto de Gaza que resolveu fixar residência lá! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: morreu e ficou com os Palestinos em Gaza!

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Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Ter Mar 19, 2024 7:37 am
por cabeça de martelo
FOXTROT escreveu: Dom Mar 17, 2024 6:07 pm Um comandante de pelotão das IDF gostou tanto de Gaza que resolveu fixar residência lá! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: morreu e ficou com os Palestinos em Gaza!

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Um Alferes Israelita morreu na operação? Mas que feito do Hamas, acho que os Israelitas nem sequer vão dormir esta noite.

Re: ISRAEL

Enviado: Ter Mar 19, 2024 4:00 pm
por ernando
FOXTROT escreveu: Dom Mar 17, 2024 6:07 pm Um comandante de pelotão das IDF gostou tanto de Gaza que resolveu fixar residência lá! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: morreu e ficou com os Palestinos em Gaza!

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