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Primeira Noticia:

Navy to cut its fleet by half
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007



In pictures: Farewell to fleet
Audio: A change in naval strategy
Royal Navy commanders were in uproar yesterday after it was revealed that almost half of the Fleet's 44 warships are to be mothballed as part of a Ministry of Defence cost-cutting measure.


Sailors standing on the aircraft carrier HMS Invincible, which may never go to sea again

Senior officers have said the plans will turn Britain's once-proud Navy into nothing more than a coastal defence force.

The Government has admitted that 13 unnamed warships are in a state of reduced readiness, putting them around 18 months away from active service. Today The Daily Telegraph can name a further six destroyers and frigates that are being proposed for cuts.

A need to cut the defence budget by £250 million this year to meet spending requirements has forced ministers to look at drastic measures.

MoD sources have admitted it is possible that the Royal Navy will discontinue one of its major commitments around the world at a time when Sir Jonathon Band, the First Sea Lord, has said more ships are needed to protect the high seas against terrorism and piracy.

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News of further cuts to what was once the world's most formidable fleet comes as critics say failings across the Services are becoming increasingly apparent.

More details are emerging of the near-squalor that soldiers are forced to tolerate in barracks when they return from six months of dangerous overseas operations.

Questions have also been raised about the poor pay for troops and equipment failures which continue to dog operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The six warships to be mothballed are the Type 22 frigates Cumberland, Chatham, Cornwall and Campbeltown and two Type 42 destroyers Southampton and Exeter.

It is likely that they will eventually be sold or scrapped. There are also fears in the Admiralty that two new aircraft carriers, promised in 1998, might never be built.

Meanwhile the French navy, which will be far superior to the Royal Navy after the cuts, will announce before the April presidential elections that a new carrier will be built.

Two of eight advanced air defence Type 45 destroyers on the Navy's order books will not be bought, defence sources said. The order is already six months behind schedule and £157 million over budget.

A senior officer, currently serving with the Fleet in Portsmouth, said: "What this means is that we are now no better than a coastal defence force or a fleet of dug-out canoes. The Dutch now have a better navy than us."

Defence sources said it would be unlikely that the Navy could now launch an armada of the kind that retook the Falkland Islands in 1982.

Steve Bush, editor of the monthly magazine Warship World, said the MoD was bankrupt following the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"After 10 years of Labour government, the Royal Navy is on its knees without immediate and proper funding. I cannot see how it can recover —especially if Mr Brown becomes the next prime minister," he said.

There are already reports that ships on operations are ignoring faults to weapons systems in order to save money but will spend cash if it is a health and safety issue.

The Navy is expected to lose one of its three carriers, Invincible, which has been laid up in Portsmouth. One of the three major ports is also under threat of closure. It is believed that the historic Navy headquarters of Portsmouth is most vulnerable.

Two unnamed mine counter-measure vessels and two Royal Fleet Auxiliary tankers, Brambleleaf and Oakleaf, are also under threat.

Adam Ingram, the defence minister, admitted in a Parliamentary answer last month that 13 ships were at sea with 18 in port at 48 hours notice to deploy. The decision to tie up another six frigates will mean the Navy has just 25 warships left. This would mean giving up a major commitment such as the anti-drugs and hurricane support role in the Caribbean.

To protect Britain from attack today, the country has the frigates Monmouth and Montrose available with the carrier Ark Royal about to re-enter service after a lengthy refit.

The MoD said yesterday that it had no plans to cut the destroyer and frigate fleet but it "routinely reviewed" defence capabilities "to ensure resources are directed where our front line Armed Forces need them most".

A spokesman said: "We are some way from any decisions and just because a proposal is looked at does not mean that it will be implemented"

A final decision on the cuts is expected next month.

NOTICIAAAAAA 222222222222!!!!!!!!!!!! Eu vou para a GALERA! 04 Tipo 22-3 e a CLASSE ALBIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.

Ships to be scrapped
Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007



Aircraft carriers

Since the end of the Cold War, the carriers' mission has evolved from controlling the seas to projecting maritime force abroad.

Their primary mission is to deploy helicopters and fighter-bombers from sea on to land in pursuit of Britain's national interests.

advertisement
Displacement: 22,000 tons

Speed: 30 knots

Crew: 722 sailors plus 384 airmen

Aircraft: up to 14 Harrier jump jets, Sea King and Chinook helicopters, Merlin anti submarine helicopters.

Type 22 frigate

The decision to scrap all the Type 22 frigates has been described as "bizarre" by defence experts after its eavesdropping capabilities played a key role in recent conflicts, including the Balkans.

Designed as a submarine hunter, the Type 22 evolved into a powerful surface ship with anti-surface and anti-aircraft weapons. It possesses excellent command and control, and communication facilities, making it an ideal flagship.

Displacement: 5,300 tons

Speed: 30 Knots

Crew: 250

Armament: 4.5in Mark 8 Gun. Goalkeeper close-in weapons system; Sea Wolf anti-missile system; eight Harpoon missile launchers; two 20mm close range guns.

Aircraft: Lynx helicopters armed with Sea Skua anti-ship missiles; Stingray anti-submarine torpedoes and Mk 11 depth charges.

Type 42 destroyer

The Type 42 destroyers form the backbone of the Navy's ability to defeat incoming missiles and aircraft. They are equipped with the Sea Dart medium range air defence missile system. The warships can also operate independently carrying out patrol and boarding operations, and recently enforced UN embargoes in the Gulf and the Adriatic as well as providing humanitarian assistance in Monserrat and East Timor.

Displacement: 5,200 tons

Speed: 30 knots

Crew: 287

Armament: Sea Dart missiles; 4.5 inch Mk 8 gun; two 20mm close range guns, two Phalanx close in weapons system; two triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes.

Assault ships

The Albion Class, Landing Platform Dock Ships (LPD's) primary function is to embark, transport, and deploy and recover — by air and sea — troops and their equipment as part of an amphibious assault force.

Displacement: 18,500 tons

Speed: 18 knots

Crew: 325

Armament: two Goalkeepers CIWS, two 20mm guns, four machineguns.

Military lift: Maximum 710 troops. Six tanks or 30 armoured personnel carriers. Floodable well dock, with the capacity to take either four utility landing craft.

Four smaller landing craft on davits or cranes. Flight deck capable of three "medium lift" helicopters or one Chinook.

Mine countermeasures

The ships are used in mine warfare, diving, fishery protection and as patrol boats.

One squadron is based in Faslane and the other in Portsmouth.

They have the task of keeping ports and coastal shipping lanes free from mines.

The hulls are made from glass reinforced plastic rather than steel and even the buckets on board have to be made from non-magnetic materials to avoid detection by modern mines.

Sandown Class

Speed: 13 knots

Crew: 34

Armament: 30mm gun

Countermeasures: two remote controlled submersibles

Source: Ministry of Defence

OLHA A FONTEEEEEEEEE DA NOTÍCIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Classe ALBION, os caras lançaram estes navios fazem uns 03 anos no máximo!!!!!! Olha só o tamanho do monstro(monstro naval no bom sentido). Mas de 18.000 toneladas, EU QUERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Olha só as Tipo 22-3 estão sendo usadas como Nau Capitâneas de GT´s!! EU QUERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Eu vou pra GALERAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vô avisando logo, se os Chilenos ou os Tugas chegarem perto dos Albion, declaro guerra!! Se quizerem podem ficar com uns dos NAe Invencible. Estes eu dispenso.

Aí Padilha, minha assinatura é mais bonita que a sua.

[ ]´s

PRick escreveu:Srs.

Estava pescando na internet, e olha só as 02 noticias no Telegrafh de UK. Quase caí para trás, tô começando a gostar da invasão do Iraque.

Primeira Noticia:

Navy to cut its fleet by half
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007



In pictures: Farewell to fleet
Audio: A change in naval strategy
Royal Navy commanders were in uproar yesterday after it was revealed that almost half of the Fleet's 44 warships are to be mothballed as part of a Ministry of Defence cost-cutting measure.


Sailors standing on the aircraft carrier HMS Invincible, which may never go to sea again

Senior officers have said the plans will turn Britain's once-proud Navy into nothing more than a coastal defence force.

The Government has admitted that 13 unnamed warships are in a state of reduced readiness, putting them around 18 months away from active service. Today The Daily Telegraph can name a further six destroyers and frigates that are being proposed for cuts.

A need to cut the defence budget by £250 million this year to meet spending requirements has forced ministers to look at drastic measures.

MoD sources have admitted it is possible that the Royal Navy will discontinue one of its major commitments around the world at a time when Sir Jonathon Band, the First Sea Lord, has said more ships are needed to protect the high seas against terrorism and piracy.

advertisement
News of further cuts to what was once the world's most formidable fleet comes as critics say failings across the Services are becoming increasingly apparent.

More details are emerging of the near-squalor that soldiers are forced to tolerate in barracks when they return from six months of dangerous overseas operations.

Questions have also been raised about the poor pay for troops and equipment failures which continue to dog operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The six warships to be mothballed are the Type 22 frigates Cumberland, Chatham, Cornwall and Campbeltown and two Type 42 destroyers Southampton and Exeter.

It is likely that they will eventually be sold or scrapped. There are also fears in the Admiralty that two new aircraft carriers, promised in 1998, might never be built.

Meanwhile the French navy, which will be far superior to the Royal Navy after the cuts, will announce before the April presidential elections that a new carrier will be built.

Two of eight advanced air defence Type 45 destroyers on the Navy's order books will not be bought, defence sources said. The order is already six months behind schedule and £157 million over budget.

A senior officer, currently serving with the Fleet in Portsmouth, said: "What this means is that we are now no better than a coastal defence force or a fleet of dug-out canoes. The Dutch now have a better navy than us."

Defence sources said it would be unlikely that the Navy could now launch an armada of the kind that retook the Falkland Islands in 1982.

Steve Bush, editor of the monthly magazine Warship World, said the MoD was bankrupt following the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"After 10 years of Labour government, the Royal Navy is on its knees without immediate and proper funding. I cannot see how it can recover —especially if Mr Brown becomes the next prime minister," he said.

There are already reports that ships on operations are ignoring faults to weapons systems in order to save money but will spend cash if it is a health and safety issue.

The Navy is expected to lose one of its three carriers, Invincible, which has been laid up in Portsmouth. One of the three major ports is also under threat of closure. It is believed that the historic Navy headquarters of Portsmouth is most vulnerable.

Two unnamed mine counter-measure vessels and two Royal Fleet Auxiliary tankers, Brambleleaf and Oakleaf, are also under threat.

Adam Ingram, the defence minister, admitted in a Parliamentary answer last month that 13 ships were at sea with 18 in port at 48 hours notice to deploy. The decision to tie up another six frigates will mean the Navy has just 25 warships left. This would mean giving up a major commitment such as the anti-drugs and hurricane support role in the Caribbean.

To protect Britain from attack today, the country has the frigates Monmouth and Montrose available with the carrier Ark Royal about to re-enter service after a lengthy refit.

The MoD said yesterday that it had no plans to cut the destroyer and frigate fleet but it "routinely reviewed" defence capabilities "to ensure resources are directed where our front line Armed Forces need them most".

A spokesman said: "We are some way from any decisions and just because a proposal is looked at does not mean that it will be implemented"

A final decision on the cuts is expected next month.

NOTICIAAAAAA 222222222222!!!!!!!!!!!! Eu vou para a GALERA! 04 Tipo 22-3 e a CLASSE ALBIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.

Ships to be scrapped
Last Updated: 3:03am GMT 05/01/2007



Aircraft carriers

Since the end of the Cold War, the carriers' mission has evolved from controlling the seas to projecting maritime force abroad.

Their primary mission is to deploy helicopters and fighter-bombers from sea on to land in pursuit of Britain's national interests.

advertisement
Displacement: 22,000 tons

Speed: 30 knots

Crew: 722 sailors plus 384 airmen

Aircraft: up to 14 Harrier jump jets, Sea King and Chinook helicopters, Merlin anti submarine helicopters.

Type 22 frigate

The decision to scrap all the Type 22 frigates has been described as "bizarre" by defence experts after its eavesdropping capabilities played a key role in recent conflicts, including the Balkans.

Designed as a submarine hunter, the Type 22 evolved into a powerful surface ship with anti-surface and anti-aircraft weapons. It possesses excellent command and control, and communication facilities, making it an ideal flagship.

Displacement: 5,300 tons

Speed: 30 Knots

Crew: 250

Armament: 4.5in Mark 8 Gun. Goalkeeper close-in weapons system; Sea Wolf anti-missile system; eight Harpoon missile launchers; two 20mm close range guns.

Aircraft: Lynx helicopters armed with Sea Skua anti-ship missiles; Stingray anti-submarine torpedoes and Mk 11 depth charges.

Type 42 destroyer

The Type 42 destroyers form the backbone of the Navy's ability to defeat incoming missiles and aircraft. They are equipped with the Sea Dart medium range air defence missile system. The warships can also operate independently carrying out patrol and boarding operations, and recently enforced UN embargoes in the Gulf and the Adriatic as well as providing humanitarian assistance in Monserrat and East Timor.

Displacement: 5,200 tons

Speed: 30 knots

Crew: 287

Armament: Sea Dart missiles; 4.5 inch Mk 8 gun; two 20mm close range guns, two Phalanx close in weapons system; two triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes.

Assault ships

The Albion Class, Landing Platform Dock Ships (LPD's) primary function is to embark, transport, and deploy and recover — by air and sea — troops and their equipment as part of an amphibious assault force.

Displacement: 18,500 tons

Speed: 18 knots

Crew: 325

Armament: two Goalkeepers CIWS, two 20mm guns, four machineguns.

Military lift: Maximum 710 troops. Six tanks or 30 armoured personnel carriers. Floodable well dock, with the capacity to take either four utility landing craft.

Four smaller landing craft on davits or cranes. Flight deck capable of three "medium lift" helicopters or one Chinook.

Mine countermeasures

The ships are used in mine warfare, diving, fishery protection and as patrol boats.

One squadron is based in Faslane and the other in Portsmouth.

They have the task of keeping ports and coastal shipping lanes free from mines.

The hulls are made from glass reinforced plastic rather than steel and even the buckets on board have to be made from non-magnetic materials to avoid detection by modern mines.

Sandown Class

Speed: 13 knots

Crew: 34

Armament: 30mm gun

Countermeasures: two remote controlled submersibles

Source: Ministry of Defence

OLHA A FONTEEEEEEEEE DA NOTÍCIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Classe ALBION, os caras lançaram estes navios fazem uns 03 anos no máximo!!!!!! Olha só o tamanho do monstro(monstro naval no bom sentido). Mas de 18.000 toneladas, EU QUERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Olha só as Tipo 22-3 estão sendo usadas como Nau Capitâneas de GT´s!! EU QUERUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Eu vou pra GALERAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vô avisando logo, se os Chilenos ou os Tugas chegarem perto dos Albion, declaro guerra!! Se quizerem podem ficar com uns dos NAe Invencible. Estes eu dispenso.

Aí Padilha, minha assinatura é mais bonita que a sua.

[ ]´s

cicloneprojekt escreveu:
Prick Boa noite. E parabéns pelo achado.

Confesso que fiquei surpreso pelo tamanho da redução de frota.
Mas quanto ao Albion, acho que fatalmente a Austrália deverá cancelar sua encomenda para um navio de Projeção estratégica e adquirir por oportunidade um dos Albion.

Já as T22B3, o gov brasileiro tem diria eu, até mesmo obrigação de consegui-las para a MB.

Saudações.

Walter

luis F. Silva escreveu:A mim como português, não me interessavam os Albion poi são caros de manter, têm pouco espaço interior, e não possuem um hângar para helicópteros.
Prefiro mesmo um dos modelos holandeses.
Com sorte, o Brasil ainda compra uns Nukes em 2ª mão aos "bifes"(se o Degan deixar").

Francisco Daniel escreveu:

luis F. Silva escreveu:A mim como português, não me interessavam os Albion poi são caros de manter, têm pouco espaço interior, e não possuem um hângar para helicópteros.
Prefiro mesmo um dos modelos holandeses.
Com sorte, o Brasil ainda compra uns Nukes em 2ª mão aos "bifes"(se o Degan deixar").

Pra quem ia comprar o Fearless, o Albion está ótimo.

Bolovo escreveu:

FinkenHeinle escreveu:Ei PRick, e o teu site?! Quando volta ao ar?!?

Pois é, aquele site era excelente.

Sempre que queria ver algo sobre a MB, entrava lá...

MCD-SM escreveu:Seria possível e viável atualizar as 3 Batch I para Batch 3 caso o Brasil comprasse as T22-3?

Pepê Rezende escreveu:

MCD-SM escreveu:Seria possível e viável atualizar as 3 Batch I para Batch 3 caso o Brasil comprasse as T22-3?

As Batch 1 possuem casco mais estreito e menor no comprimento. Para os que estão se animando muito, lembrem-se que Tony Blair pode cair fora num futuro muito próximo. Os britânicos, a exemplo dos norte-americanos, estão recuperando a razão aos poucos.

Pepê

justo escreveu:Desculpe pela minha falta de experiencia na área naval...
O que tem a classe ALBION que a MB deseja comprar ?
Ela é boa ? Qual é a vantagem ? Pelo que vi atraves das fotos, parece sim simples navio de cruzeiro....

André.

Barao Vermelho escreveu:Caros amigos,
qual a situação atual dos Invencibles, como estão?
Gosto bastante deles porem não como porta aviões, mas como navio de projeção baseado em helicopteros.
Ficaria de bom tamanho 2 invencibles + 2 albion + São Paulo (Reformado e Armado adequadamente).