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Desculpem lá a minha modesta opinião , mas a marinha inglesa para aguentar uma ou mais brigadas longe do país, tem poder para actuar sem o exercito e força aérea desse país???
Não faltaram outros meios, tais como helis....lembro-me que tem havido falta de outros meios a nível de os três ramos ou não???

Fonte: Nueva Mayoria

Gran Bretaña reafirma su presencia naval en el mundo

Ago-06-07 - por Ignacio J. Osacar - Coordinador de la Comisión de Defensa del CENMLa Armada Real no cuenta ya con los 63 acorazados de 1918 ni los 850.000 hombres de 1945, pero tiene la firme intención de continuar siendo un poder naval de primera magnitud durante el siglo XXI, tal como lo demuestra la aprobación dada por el Parlamento al presupuesto de Defensa, de 7.7 billones de libras, para los próximos 3 años, el que incluye importantes gastos navales. Según lo propuesto por el nuevo gobierno de Gordon Brown, este presupuesto permitirá iniciar el plan para la construcción de 2 grandes portaviones y de 4 submarinos misilísticos nucleares.


Brown expresó su propósito de "fortalecer la defensa contra del terrorismo, respaldar a la OTAN, apoyar a nuestras fuerzas en el interior y en el exterior, y retener nuestra capacidad de disuasión nuclear independiente", remarcando que "en un mundo inseguro, debemos y tendremos siempre, la fuerza para tomar todas las decisiones de largo plazo, que sean necesarias, para asegurar tanto la estabilidad como la seguridad". Asimismo respecto a los portaviones afirmó que son "el componente llave para mejorar las capacidades expedicionarias que necesitamos, a fin de confrontar la diversa gama de amenazas que hoy se evidencian en el ambiente de la seguridad" y agregó, "los portaviones representan un cambio de paso respecto a nuestra capacidad, posibilitando la proyección de mayores efectos e influencia estratégica alrededor del mundo, en el tiempo y lugar de nuestra elección".


En la actualidad, la disuasión nuclear británica la constituyen 4 submarinos clase Vanguard, de 16.000 toneladas, armados con 16 misiles balísticos Trident II D5 de 9000 Km de alcance. La Flota cuenta además con 10 submarinos nucleares de ataque, de los cuales 3 de la clase Swiftsure de 4200 toneladas y 7 de la clase Trafalgar de 4700 toneladas, todos ellos están armados con misiles crucero Tomahawk de 1000 Km de alcance, lo que les otorga una significativa capacidad ofensiva, dado que estos misiles pueden eventualmente portar ojivas nucleares.


La actual capacidad de proyección del poder militar británico a nivel mundial es muy importante, con un núcleo de 3 portaviones clase Invencible, 1 porta helicópteros clase Ocean y 2 buques de asalto anfibio clase Albion. Estos buques, con otras unidades de la Flota podrían organizar hasta 3 Fuerzas de Tareas de reducidas dimensiones, para operar en forma independiente y simultánea en distintos Teatros de Operaciones, con prescindencia de participación de países aliados.


Los medios británicos para operaciones anfibias son destacables por su variedad y versatilidad. El Ocean puede transportar no menos de 16 helicópteros SeaKing HC 4 o Merlin y un Batallón de Infantería de Marina, con los necesarios apoyos y servicios agregados, de 830 hombres. Los buques clase Albion, que están especialmente diseñados para operaciones anfibias, se encuentran equipados con 4 lanchas de desembarco de tipo LCU y 4 LCVP (1), además transportan hasta 300 infantes de marina, 6 tanques pesados o 30 vehículos blindados. Cuentan asimismo con plataformas para 3 helicópteros Merlin o C-47 Chinook.


El núcleo duro de la Flota son las unidades de combate de superficie principales, que están integradas por 8 destructores tipo 42, 14 fragatas tipo 23 y 4 tipo 22, las que constituyen sistemas de armas anti-buque, antisubmarinos, y antiaéreos. Cuentan también con numerosas unidades de combate de menor tonelaje, unidades auxiliares y de apoyo logístico. Ante una emergencia nacional, los planes de movilización contemplan el empleo de los buques comerciales de bandera británica, los cuales incrementan sustancialmente las capacidades logísticas de la Flota.


Las unidades más antiguas se están reemplazando progresivamente a medida que entren en servicio 3 submarinos nucleares tipo Astute, 6 destructores tipo 45 y 4 buques logísticos de desembarco anfibio clase Bay.


La principal herramienta estratégica esta constituida por los 4 submarinos misilísticos clase Vanguard, cuya vida útil fue extendida en 5 años, por lo tanto sus reemplazos se efectuarán entre 2025 y 2030, según haya sido la fecha de entrada en servicio de cada una de las unidades. El presupuesto para este programa asciende a unos 20 billones de libras. Según algunos informes, las nuevas tecnologías a introducir en estos submarinos, significarían un salto cualitativo de tal magnitud, que posibilitaría reducirse a solo 3 unidades, las cuales serían suficientes para operar con la modalidad de 1 unidad de patrulla en forma permanente, 1 en mantenimiento y 1 alistándose para iniciar el periodo de patrulla. Estos nuevos submarinos, igualmente que los de ataque de la clase Astute, tendrán reactores nucleares de última generación, que no necesitaran ser reabastecidos durante toda la vida útil del buque.


Aunque las fechas de reemplazo parecen lejanas, para poder cumplirlas dentro de los tiempos exigidos, la iniciación del programa de construcción, no puede demorarse mucho tiempo más. Uno de los argumentos políticos, para la toma inmediata de la decisión, ha sido la imposibilidad de apreciar, con algún grado de certeza, las características del escenario estratégico internacional en el largo plazo.


Se aprecia que los submarinos disponen en total de 58 misiles Trident II D5, cada misil tiene de 8 a 12 ojivas nucleares. El costo presente y futuro para mantener el sistema Trident es de 9.8 billones de libras a valores del 2005.


La otra herramienta estratégica fundamental es el portaviones. Los 3 en servicio en la actualidad, de la clase Invencible, fueron diseñados para la guerra antisubmarina, durante la Guerra Fría, pero hoy se les requiere para otras misiones, de variada naturaleza, las que cumplen con limitaciones, e incluso, el más antiguo de ellos, se encuentra en inactivado y en reserva, para ser dado de baja definitivamente en 2010.


Sus prestaciones los limitan para "actuar como puesto de comando de una pequeña fuerza de tarea y proveer apoyo aéreo orgánico contra una oposición limitada". Este buque tiene 20.000 toneladas de desplazamiento y 200 metros de eslora, que en una configuración típica transporta hasta 9 aviones Harrier GR9, 3 helicópteros antisubmarinos Merlin Mk1 y 3 helicópteros de Vigilancia y Control Sea King. Además de su tripulación y el grupo aéreo de 1050 hombres, puede adicionalmente transportar hasta 600 IM.


Las limitaciones evidenciadas y las mayores exigencias apreciadas en futuras operaciones anfibias y aeronavales, en las que se deberá operar durante tiempos prolongados y con muy extendidas líneas de abastecimientos, originaron la necesidad de disponer de un portaviones con mejores prestaciones y mayores dimensiones. Para el 2012 y 2015 se espera la entrada en servicio de los 2 portaviones clase Queen Elizabeth, que tendrán un costo de 3.9 billones de libras y desplazaran no menos de 60.000 toneladas, con una dimensión de 265 metros de eslora. La tripulación propia y la del grupo aéreo sumarán 1200 hombres y podrá transportar hasta 50 aviones de combate, además de helicópteros y vehículos aéreos no tripulados. La autonomía prevista es de 10.000 millas náuticas, con lo cual superará a las 8000 de sus antecesores.


El Caza de Ataque Conjunto (JSF) norteamericano F-35 sería seleccionado como reemplazo del veterano Harrier, aunque la transferencia de tecnología está aun en discusión y quizás otro avión podría ser elegido. El diseño de la pista de aterrizaje actual, es para aviones STOVL (despegue-corto-aterrizaje-vertical), pero puede modificarse de ser necesario, para otros de aterrizaje convencional, con cables de frenado para el gancho de cola, ya que la vida útil del buque será de 50 años, duplicando así a las de sus aviones embarcados, cualquiera sea la elección final respecto al tipo de avión.


Las decisiones tomadas por el nuevo gobierno británico, reafirman una firme vocación de mantener su capacidad de intervención militar, en cualquier lugar del mundo, no solo en el mediano plazo sino extendiéndose en el largo plazo, sin embargo, el número de portaviones a construir, limitarían sus capacidades para organizar no más de dos Fuerzas de Tareas navales, aunque con gran capacidad aérea, antisubmarina y anfibia, para desplegarse y operar en dos Teatros de Operaciones simultáneamente, como ser Medio Oriente y el Atlántico Sur. No obstante surge la duda, que de producirse una escalada de crisis en un tercer escenario, la misma podría ser enfrentada a tiempo y con el poder de combate necesario, sin que se deban disminuir las unidades ya desplegadas en otras zonas geográficas lejanas.


Referencias:

(1) LCU lancha de desembarco utilitaria de 236 toneladas.

LCVP lancha de desembarco para personal y vehículos de 16 toneladas.


Fuentes:

http://www.naval-technology.com consultado 3-8-07

http://www.armedforces.co.uk consultado 3-8-07

http://www.newsvote.bbc.co.uk consultado 3-8-07

http://www.lse.co.uk consultado 3-8-07

antoninho escreveu:Desculpem lá a minha modesta opinião , mas a marinha inglesa para aguentar uma ou mais brigadas longe do país, tem poder para actuar sem o exercito e força aérea desse país???
Não faltaram outros meios, tais como helis....lembro-me que tem havido falta de outros meios a nível de os três ramos ou não???

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Royal Marines Units
The Royal Navy's own amphibious infantry are the Royal Marines, acknowledged as one of the world's elite fighting forces.

3 Commando Brigade is on permanent operational readiness and is a core component of the UK's Joint Rapid Reaction Force.

When combined with the Royal Navy's amphibious ships, 3 Commando Brigade is a highly mobile, self-sustained and versatile force with a strategic power projection capability which is unique among the British armed forces.

The brigade can deploy anywhere in the world, at short notice, either to mount an amphibious assault or else to be poised offshore in a strategic demonstration of military force in order to deter an aggressor’s hostile intent. Capable of operating ashore as a light brigade in any terrain or climate, their particular is in expertise in mountain and cold weather operations.

The brigade comprises three commando units, combat support and combat service support units. In transition to war it would be enhanced by Royal Marine Reservists as well as Territorial Army units.

The commando units each number around 700 men and are based in Taunton (40 Commando), Plymouth (42 Commando) and Arbroath (45 Commando). These units are the equivalent of light infantry battalions and each can deploy either independently or as an operational group with combat support units.

The latter bring additional capability which can be deployed to tie down or fix enemy forces while the commando units manoeuvre to strike them. This comes from units such as 29 Commando Regiment Royal Artillery.

Offloading an amphibious force and its equipment quickly and efficiently is a key operational step. Some landing craft will be based on the amphibious ships but extra support is afforded by 539 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, and airlift support is provided by the Joint Helicopter Command.

The Commando Logistic Regiment provides the organised control, distribution and availability of material which has a direct bearing on a commander's ability to achieve his objective. In this, it is a key enabling component of the Brigade.

At the top of everything, the brigade staff and the Command Support Group are responsible for command, control and communications, all vital functions in the complex world of amphibious operations.

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Daring, the Royal Navy’s first Type 45 destroyer, has completed the first phase of its sea trials. (UK MoD photo)

New Destroyer Boosts Royal Navy

(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued Aug. 14, 2007)

The Royal Navy's newest and most sophisticated destroyer - to be called HMS Daring - has successfully completed demanding sea trials off the Scottish coast. Minister for the Armed Forces, Bob Ainsworth, said:

"The Type 45 is an immensely powerful state of the art destroyer that will provide a vital layer of protection from missile attack for the fleet.

"Daring's success at sea - when I gather she exceeded her design speed of 29 knots - is an excellent start to the intensive trials phase that will now begin as we bring her world-leading missile defence system into full operation.

"I have spoken to her crew and they are delighted with the capability of the ship and pleased with the high standard of accommodation on board."

A further five ships of this class are on order. One, Dauntless, was launched earlier this year and another, Diamond, is due to be launched in November.

BAE Systems is the prime contractor for the delivery of the first six Type 45 Destroyers. The ships are being assembled and launched from yards on the Clyde. VT at Portsmouth and BAE Systems Surface Fleet Solutions will both build and outfit substantial sections of the ships.


BACKGROUND NOTES:

1. The class is to be known as the 'D' Class. HMS Daring, HMS Dauntless, HMS Diamond, HMS Dragon, HMS Defender and HMS Duncan have been announced as the names of the first six ships.

2. All ships will be equipped with the world-beating Principal Anti-Air Missile System (PAAMS), which is designed to deal with multiple attacks by anti-ship missiles. The ships will be powered by the WR21 Gas Turbine.

3. In line with the Government's Defence Industrial Strategy, MoD is working with industry to generate major changes in naval shipbuilding and ship support across the UK to ensure that the industry can continue to deliver first class equipment in the longer term.

4. Interesting facts:
-- The hull structure is made of 2800 tonnes of steel which is more that the weight of the Blackpool Tower. Approximately 40 tonnes of paint will have to applied to cover an area of 100,000 square meters of steel.
-- Each PAAMS air defence missile weighs almost as much as a small car and from launch accelerate to a speed twice that of Concorde in under 10 seconds. The missile's flight manoeuvres as it locks onto a target are so violent they are 10 times more severe than a human could withstand.
-- Her 152m length is equivalent to more than 16 double- decker buses and she is as high as an electricity pylon.
-- Her onboard power plant can supply enough electricity to light a town of 80,000 people.
-- Her fuel tanks have a volume equivalent to approximately half the volume of an Olympic swimming pool.
-- The ship's crew will enjoy much better onboard conditions than their predecessors - including IT access, 5-Channel recreational audio, and larger berths.
-- She contains 110 bunk beds, 26 sofa beds, 22 single beds and has her own hospital facilities complete with operating table. She is fitted with 1 bath, 44 showers, 54 toilets and 100 wash basins.
-- She has 404 phones (mainly internal) and is fitted with enough electrical cable to circle the M25 three times.

5. The main design features are:
-- Displacement: approx 7,500 tonnes, c. 5800 tonnes (light displacement)
-- Length: 152.4m
-- Max Beam: 21.2m
-- Speed: 29 knots
-- Range: 7000 nautical miles at 18 knots. Complement: approx. 190 (with space for 235) whilst providing significantly better accommodation standards than hitherto in destroyers/frigates.

6. Equipment selected includes:
-- The Principal Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS) with the BAE Insyte SAMPSON Multi-Functional Radar (MFR) (for surveillance and fire control) and the Thales S1850M Long Range Radar (LRR) for air/surface search
-- SYLVER launcher and combination of Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles
-- Other weapons systems include: Helo - launched STINGRAY Torpedoes;
-- 4.5" Mk 8 (Mod 1) Medium Calibre Gun system;
-- 30mm Small Calibre Gun system
-- Helicopter: 1 Westland Lynx MHA 3/8 or 1 Merlin EH101 HAS 1. (ends)



Navy's Newest Destroyer Breezes Through First Sea Trials


(Source: Royal Navy; issued Aug. 14, 2007)



The Royal Navy's newest destroyer, the 7,500 tonne Daring, has successfully completed demanding sea trials off the Scottish coast.

Daring is the first of six Type 45 Destroyers which will be the largest and most powerful air defence ships ever built for the front line by the UK. Carrying world-leading missile defence systems, they will be able to engage a large number of targets simultaneously and defend aircraft carriers or groups of ships, such as an amphibious landing force, against the strongest future threats from the air.

These versatile ships will also provide an unprecedented detection and defensive capability along with vastly improved living standards compared to their predecessors. The success of these trials means Daring has moved one step closer to coming into operation.

Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth visited Daring in the Firth of Clyde in Scotland today, Tuesday 14 August 2007, where he toured the ship and its facilities. The crew took the opportunity to demonstrate some of Daring's capabilities:

"Daring's success at sea is an excellent start to the intensive trials phase that will now begin as we bring her world-leading missile defence system into full operation," Mr Ainsworth said.

"I have spoken to her crew and they are delighted with the capability of the ship and pleased with the high standard of accommodation on board."

BAE Systems is the prime contractor for delivery of these destroyers with a contract worth over £6bn. There are another five ships of this class on order, one of which is Dauntless which was launched earlier this year and another, Diamond, which is due to be launched in November.

Once all of the Daring's trials have been successfully completed, she will officially be signed over to the Royal Navy at which point the name will gain the prefix of 'HMS'. The senior Royal Navy Officer on board Daring, Commander David Shutts has been at the helm throughout these recent successes:

"The ship has performed magnificently during our initial sea trials over the past few weeks. In addition to being incredibly stable, smooth and rapid, she is also extremely agile with a very tight turning circle indeed. Further, she can come to a halt from top speed in less than three hull lengths.

"Having also spoken to many experienced colleagues at BAE Systems, I think that we are all agreed that this is the best first of class initial sea trial that any of us has ever experienced. Clearly, this bodes very well for the future ships." (ends)



World's Most Advanced Warship Completes Stage One Sea Trials


(Source: BAE Systems; issued Aug. 14, 2007)



The world’s most advanced warship, HMS Daring, has completed her stage one sea trials and has received glowing reports after performing above all expectations.

The high standard of the ship’s overall design is such that not a single one of her almost 800 compartments exceeds the habitability standards for vibration when operating at full power. Such an achievement would be unlikely on a luxury yacht and is a unique achievement for such a large, complex and powerful warship.

The first of the new Type 45 Daring Class destroyers has been put through her paces off the west coast of Scotland by BAE Systems engineers and the Royal Navy personnel who will form her permanent crew once she enters service in 2009.

Trials began on 18th July and have focused on testing the ‘ship’ part of ‘warship’ – the platform itself; propulsion systems, controls, key weapons engineering systems, navigation, radars and gyros, as well as the habitability of the ship including the galley, cabins, sewage treatment plant, ventilation and lighting.

Some of HMS Daring’s achievements are:

-- Against an initial design target of 28 knots, the ship has already comfortably exceeded 30 knots

-- HMS Daring reached top speed in little over two minutes from a standing start, an outstanding performance for such a large ship.

-- The ship has spent two days at the Benbecula range in the North Atlantic trialling its 4.5 inch gun and twin small calibre guns on the port and starboard sides.

On her return to Scotstoun, HMS Daring will continue with her systems integration and testing prior to stage two trialling in March 2008.

Commenting on the performance of HMS Daring, Commander David Shutts, the ship’s senior Royal Navy officer, said: “It is early days in her life, but Daring has already lived up to the high standards that we have set for her. She promises to be a tremendous asset for the Royal Navy and the men and women who will serve on her.”

BAE Systems Type 45 chief engineer David Downs said: “Delivering any programme as complex as the Type 45 presents huge challenges. To know that we are meeting those challenges and remain on target to deliver these superb ships to the Royal Navy is a huge boost to everyone on ‘Team Daring’.”


BAE Systems is the premier global defence and aerospace company delivering a full range of products and services for air, land and naval forces, as well as advanced electronics, information technology solutions and customer support services. With 96,000 employees worldwide, BAE Systems' sales exceeded £15 billion (US $27 billion) in 2006 (On a pro forma basis, assuming BAE Systems had owned Armor for the whole of 2006).

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Uma pergunta, novamente os "D" da Royal Nany não receberam MSS?

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El núcleo duro de la Flota son las unidades de combate de superficie principales, que están integradas por 8 destructores tipo 42, 14 fragatas tipo 23 y 4 tipo 22, las que constituyen sistemas de armas anti-buque, antisubmarinos, y antiaéreos. Cuentan también con numerosas unidades de combate de menor tonelaje, unidades auxiliares y de apoyo logístico. Ante una emergencia nacional, los planes de movilización contemplan el empleo de los buques comerciales de bandera británica, los cuales incrementan sustancialmente las capacidades logísticas de la Flota.

Que es como decir nada. Comparado con los Kongo y Atago Japoneses, son poco mas que chatarra, o con otras modernas unidades de otras marinas del mundo quedan en la misma posicion.

Necesitan esos impresionantes Type 45, los Vanguard, y esos dos CVs para volver a tener presencia. La RN no es lo que era, aunque sigue siendo una impresionante marina de guerra.

Eles vão receber Harpoons ou Tomahawks ?

Abraços

saullo escreveu:Eles vão receber Harpoons ou Tomahawks ?

Abraços

se houver "$$$$", talvez no futuro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer

Electronics & armament
Anti-airborne
PAAMS (Principal Anti Air Missile System)
SAMPSON multi-function air tracking radar
S1850M 3D air surveillance radar
48 x MBDA Aster missiles (mix of Aster 15 and Aster 30) in six 8-cell SYLVER A50 (Systeme de Lancement Vertical) vertical launchers.
Guns
1 x BAE Systems 114 mm (4.5 inch) Mk 8 mod 1 gun
2 x Oerlikon 30 mm KCB guns on single DS-30B mounts
2 x Phalanx 20 mm close-in weapons systems
Anti-ship
The Type 45 has the provision for a pair of quadruple RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile launchers, but there are currently no plans to fit this system (as of 2006)
.[5]

Anti-submarine
MFS 7000 sonar
Fitted 'for but not with' STWS (Ship-launched Torpedo Weapon System) Mark 2 324 mm triple launchers for Sting Ray torpedoes.
Land attack
The Type 45 as it stands has no land-attack missile capability and the SYLVER A50 launcher currently has no capability to fire such a missile. However, should the need arise, it would be possible to fit them with the American Mk. 41 VLS, firing the BGM-109 Tomahawk; the Defence Procurement Agency conducted a study into this in 2004, but there are no plans yet to fit this.[6] The French Navy are pursuing a variant of the Storm Shadow / SCALP air-launched cruise missile for their SYLVER A70 launchers, which could also be used on the Darings.

Countermeasures
The Seagnat decoy system allows for the seduction and distraction of radar guided weapons, through active and passive means. An infra-red 'spoofing' device is planned for future retrofits.
Surface Ship Torpedo Defence System (SSTD) active torpedo decoy system
METOC Meteorology and Oceanography
The Metoc system by BAE SYSTEMS comprises an Upper Air Sounding system using launchable radiosondes by Skycom Telecom Ltd (Wales) and Graw Radiosondes (Germany) joint venture, as well as a comprehensive weather satellite receiving system and a bathymetrics system. These sensors will provide each vessel with a full environmental awareness for tasks such as radar propagation, ballistics and general self-supporting meteorological and oceanographic data production.
Aircraft
1 Lynx HMA 8 helicopter - Sea Skua anti-ship missiles and Sting Ray torpedoes.
The Merlin helicopter will not be carried at first; the PRISM deck handling device and other necessary systems have been deleted from the design as a cost-saving measure. This capability may be retro-fitted at a later date, or included in later units of the class. The flight deck of the Type 45 will be big enough to accommodate aircraft up to the size of the Chinook.

Other
The ships will have room to carry 60 Royal Marines and their equipment.

old escreveu:

El núcleo duro de la Flota son las unidades de combate de superficie principales, que están integradas por 8 destructores tipo 42, 14 fragatas tipo 23 y 4 tipo 22, las que constituyen sistemas de armas anti-buque, antisubmarinos, y antiaéreos. Cuentan también con numerosas unidades de combate de menor tonelaje, unidades auxiliares y de apoyo logístico. Ante una emergencia nacional, los planes de movilización contemplan el empleo de los buques comerciales de bandera británica, los cuales incrementan sustancialmente las capacidades logísticas de la Flota.

Que es como decir nada. Comparado con los Kongo y Atago Japoneses, son poco mas que chatarra, o con otras modernas unidades de otras marinas del mundo quedan en la misma posicion.

Necesitan esos impresionantes Type 45, los Vanguard, y esos dos CVs para volver a tener presencia. La RN no es lo que era, aunque sigue siendo una impresionante marina de guerra.

Prezados Amigos

Algumas considerações os 8 contratorpedeiros Type 42 devem ser retirados de serviço em breve. Hoje existem 13 fragatas Type 23 em serviço ( 3 foram vendidas para o Chile). Existem informações que serão retiradas de serviço as 4 Type 22 lote 3.


Sds

Lord Nauta

Lord Nauta escreveu: Existem informações que serão retiradas de serviço as 4 Type 22 lote 3.

Sds

Lord Nauta

Acho que o programa de modernização de nossas Type 22 vai ser temporariamente suspenso... ou redirecionado.

Alexandre Beraldi escreveu:

Lord Nauta escreveu: Existem informações que serão retiradas de serviço as 4 Type 22 lote 3.

Sds

Lord Nauta

Acho que o programa de modernização de nossas Type 22 vai ser temporariamente suspenso... ou redirecionado.

Sr. Alexandre

Até onde temos informações o escopo de modernização das Type 22 já esta sendo preparado. O planejamento tem como previsão realizar a modernização dos três navios até 2010. Eles permanecerão em serviço até 2020. Eu particularmente não acredito que mesmo com a vinda da Type 22 do lote III este programa não seja cumprido. As Type 22 do lote 3,caso venham, são navios que recebendo manutenção acurada e uma modernização por volta de 2015 podem ficar em serviço até por volta de 2025/28.

Um abraço


Maia

PRMaia escreveu:

Alexandre Beraldi escreveu:

Lord Nauta escreveu: Existem informações que serão retiradas de serviço as 4 Type 22 lote 3.

Sds

Lord Nauta

Acho que o programa de modernização de nossas Type 22 vai ser temporariamente suspenso... ou redirecionado.

Sr. Alexandre

Até onde temos informações o escopo de modernização das Type 22 já esta sendo preparado. O planejamento tem como previsão realizar a modernização dos três navios até 2010. Eles permanecerão em serviço até 2020. Eu particularmente não acredito que mesmo com a vinda da Type 22 do lote III este programa não seja cumprido. As Type 22 do lote 3,caso venham, são navios que recebendo manutenção acurada e uma modernização por volta de 2015 podem ficar em serviço até por volta de 2025/28.

Um abraço


Maia

Foi só um achismo mesmo. Pensei que o mais lógico seria dar baixa e deixar as nossas Type 22 de fonte de peças para as mais novas e melhores do lote III... Mas se formos ficar com sete Type 22 novas/modernizadas, seis Niterói Modfrag, quatro Inhaúma modernizadas e mais uma Barroso zero bala... quem sou eu para reclamar de 18 escoltas das boas. Quem sabe já é para ir mantendo o número suficiente de tripulações para a futura MB...

Alexandre Beraldi escreveu:

PRMaia escreveu:

Alexandre Beraldi escreveu:

Lord Nauta escreveu: Existem informações que serão retiradas de serviço as 4 Type 22 lote 3.

Sds

Lord Nauta

Acho que o programa de modernização de nossas Type 22 vai ser temporariamente suspenso... ou redirecionado.

Sr. Alexandre

Até onde temos informações o escopo de modernização das Type 22 já esta sendo preparado. O planejamento tem como previsão realizar a modernização dos três navios até 2010. Eles permanecerão em serviço até 2020. Eu particularmente não acredito que mesmo com a vinda da Type 22 do lote III este programa não seja cumprido. As Type 22 do lote 3,caso venham, são navios que recebendo manutenção acurada e uma modernização por volta de 2015 podem ficar em serviço até por volta de 2025/28.

Um abraço


Maia

Foi só um achismo mesmo. Pensei que o mais lógico seria dar baixa e deixar as nossas Type 22 de fonte de peças para as mais novas e melhores do lote III... Mas se formos ficar com sete Type 22 novas/modernizadas, seis Niterói Modfrag, quatro Inhaúma modernizadas e mais uma Barroso zero bala... quem sou eu para reclamar de 18 escoltas das boas. Quem sabe já é para ir mantendo o número suficiente de tripulações para a futura MB...

Também concordo que devemos ficar com todas T22/1 operativas juntamente com as T22/3. Só ficam faltando pelo menos 2 unidades com SAM de defesa de área para andar junto do São Paulo. Poderiam ser as tais 2 OHP que ainda existem com lançador Mk 13 ou mesmo 2 T42, em que pesem todos os defeitos apontados contra esses dois tipos de barcos. Seria uma solução provisória, para cobrir um espaço até termos as novas escoltas.

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Também concordo que devemos ficar com todas T22/1 operativas juntamente com as T22/3. Só ficam faltando pelo menos 2 unidades com SAM de defesa de área para andar junto do São Paulo. Poderiam ser as tais 2 OHP que ainda existem com lançador Mk 13 ou mesmo 2 T42, em que pesem todos os defeitos apontados contra esses dois tipos de barcos. Seria uma solução provisória, para cobrir um espaço até termos as novas escoltas.

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Prezados Amigos

Considerando um GT nucleado no A12 e compostos de fragatas classe Niterói (3) e Greenhalgh (2) mais a Barroso (luta ASW) a defesa anti-aérea seria basicamente a seguinte:F Niterói (Aspide 2000) defesa de área interna; Greenhalgh (Seawolf Mod.2) desefa de ponto e; aeronaves do A12 (caça e AEW) defesa de área externa. O GAE do A12 deve ser o vetor de destruição dos navios que possam ameaçar (com misseis ou aeronaves) o GT. Considerando estes fatos acredito que não deveriamos ter OHP e Type 42. E melhor solução adotar aeronaves que possam efetivamente desempenhar missões de alarme/reconhecimento e defesa aérea/ataque naval.

Sds

Lord Nauta