Armada Espanhola

[P44]

dinheiro para isso não lhes falta

provavelmente a isabel dos santos gasta mais que um PA num fim de semana em Lisboa

[irlan]

Seria a primeira nação na África operar um PA né?,(esse tal príncipe é um PA não? O_O),será que os espanhóis dariam o know how de como operar esse tipo de vetor?

[cabeça de martelo]

Irlan esse PA só opera com Harrier, por isso se o dito navio fosse adquirido para a Marinha Angolana só poderia operar helicópteros e mais nada.

[irlan]

Mesmo assim...isso mudaria um pouco a balança aqui embaixo...

[cabeça de martelo]

Mas uma Marinha para ter um PA precisa de meios que os Angolanos não têm. Para eles adquirirem este PA precisavam antes de adquirir Fragatas em número suficiente e o que eles estão a adquirir são lanchas e NPO.

[irlan]

Opa Cabeça...vlw pela resposta! ;D

[old]

Lo de Angola suena a desesperado intento de vender como sea el R-11 Principe de Asturias, cuya modernización se acercaba a los 300 millones de Euros. Es evidente que no lo adquirirá nadie, y menos sin su pricipal activo. Los relativamente nuevos Harrier II, que ya operan en el L61. Quedará desactivado una temporada mas hasta que se decida su destino final

[old]

La Armada da de baja 4 Harrier Night Attack y operará con los 12 Plus restantes, hasta el 2025

Por otra parte el AJEMA perfila la Armada para el 2025. En breves se anunciará la construcción del L62 y las 5F110 que daran carga de trabajo a los astilleros militares. Los S80 son un programa prioritario y preocupa el elevado coste del F35. Se habla de compartir gastos con el ejército del Aire, pero estos no quieren saber nada del F35, estan entusiasmados con el Thypoon. A saber que pasará.



2LHDs
2LPDs
2BAC
6 MCM
8/10 BAM
5F100
5F110
4S80
Como buques principales.


Sobre las F110, ya está definido su rol. Serán buques ASW, pero con gran capacidad antimisil (VLS, radar de ultima generacion etc etc) adaptados a la guerra de litoral, a medio camino entre un BAM y unas F100 con un novedoso mastil integrado.


Fuente: Armada Española

[cabeça de martelo]

Se eu fosse um General da vossa Força Aérea também não quereria saber dos F-35, especialmente quando têm coisa melhor! Já vi os vossos Typhoon ao vivo e a cores e são uma brutalidade, são sem dúvida um dos melhores caças do mundo.

PS: arranjem alguém para melhorar o aspecto dos vossos navios, porque tirando o Juan Carlos I... jasus, é tudo tão feio!

[old]

Se eu fosse um General da vossa Força Aérea também não quereria saber dos F-35, especialmente quando têm coisa melhor! Já vi os vossos Typhoon ao vivo e a cores e são uma brutalidade, são sem dúvida um dos melhores caças do mundo.

PS: arranjem alguém para melhorar o aspecto dos vossos navios, porque tirando o Juan Carlos I... jasus, é tudo tão feio!

Si pero los thypoon no despegan en 230m y mucho menos aterrizan. La única opción para la Armada es el F35 o quedarse sin aviación naval embarcada, lo cual sería un desastre. El precio del aparato es carísimo y o hay una compra conjunta con la fuerza aerea o nadie sabe que pasará

[old]

Dudo que sea una realidad, pero corren rumores de la construcción de la F106

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[Lord Nauta]

El secretario de Estado de Defensa español solicitó a Estados Unidos ampliar la asistencia para el programa de submarinos S-80



Durante su reciente visita a los Estados Unidos, el secretario de Estado de Defensa, Pedro Argüelles, habría trasladado al Pentágono la posibilidad de ampliar la colaboración que el astillero estadounidense Electric Boat de General Dynamics está ofreciendo a Navantia desde el año pasado en elación con el diseño del submarino S-80.

Electric Boat firmó un contrato del tipo FMS (Foreign Military Sales) para asistir a Navantia en el rediseño del S-80 tras el incremento de peso de 75 toneladas por encima de lo previsto en el primero de los submarinos, el S-81 Isaac Peral. Según este contrato, la Oficina Ejecutiva de Programas de Submarinos del Mando de Sistemas Navales (NAVSEA) de la marina estadounidense está proporcionando asistencia al programa S-80 aunque no trascendieron los detalles de la asistencia.

Navantia prevé que en junio estén solucionados los problemas y será entonces cuando la empresa pueda dar detalles sobre el nuevo diseño, las nuevas fechas del programa así como los costes derivados de la resolución. Esto podría suponer que el submarino entrara en servicio en 2017 en lugar de 2015 como estaba previsto.

En cualquier caso el Ministerio de Defensa y Navantia continuarán adelante con el programa reconociendo que es un programa a largo plazo que implica riesgos tecnológicos pero que supondrá la autonomía en materia de diseño de sumergibles, lo que permitirá a la Armada obtener una ventaja operativa y una capacidad tecnológica sin precedentes. El Programa de submarinos S-80 contemplaba la fabricación de cuatro submarinos de propulsión diesel de alta tecnología por valor de 3.300 millones de dólares.

Fonte: Defensa 16/04/14

[Penguin]

Adios F-35 Purchase: Spain Extends the Life of Its Harriers


(Source: ElConfidential; published May 28, 2014)


(Issued in Spanish; unofficial edited translation by Defense-Aerospace.com)




Spain will extend the service life of its AV-8B Plus Harrier shipboard fighters until at least 2015 as it cannot afford to buy F-35B STOVL fighters to replace them, as it originally planned. (Armada photo) One of the biggest concerns of the Spanish navy about its future -- the 'expiration' of the Harrier fighters and their complicated succession – has now been solved by a 70-million euro plan to extend their service life beyond 2025. Their intended replacement, the American F-35B, must wait "until it becomes financially accessible" for Spain.

Spain has secured the future of its naval air wing, after years of uncertainty about what vertical takeoff fighters it would operate after 2020.

After the loss of the aircraft carrier 'Principe de Asturias’ -- an ideal platform for STOVL fighters, but which has now been retired -- the Navy had begun a process of reducing its Harrier force. Four of them were 'retired' after having been modernized at a total cost of about 11 million euros (about 3 million euros each) as no economic resources were available to operate and support them.

However, the picture changed dramatically after the May 23 meeting of the Council of Ministers, when the government announced an extension of the Memorandum of Understanding for the Harrier’s lifecycle support, and which was to expire next December.

With an outlay of 70 million euros-spread over ten years, Spain has gained access to the equipment and spare parts necessary to ensure that its fleet of AV-8B Harrier Plus fighters continue flying beyond 2025.

The F-35: parked

Today, the only short/vertical takeoff aircraft that fits the requirements of the Spanish navy is the US-made F-35B Lightning, an aircraft that the United States, the United Kingdom and Italy, which, together with Spain, are the leading world-wide operators of the Harrier, have already written into their acquisition plans.

According to Spanish Navy sources consulted by El Confidential Online, the F-35B "continues to be an unattainable aspiration in economic terms." In 2010, the Navy headquarters announced that it intended to procure 15 to 20 of these aircraft. These plans have now been parked indefinitely.

However, according to the navy sources, the Navy command nonetheless managed to outline a financial plan that would have allowed it to buy a few F-35Bs, but it was finally shot down by the Defence staff because of its cost.

One of the options being considered for the future is that, once the US takes these STOVL aircraft into service, it could hand over a few of them to Spain until the Spanish economy improves enough to allows the purchase of an F-35B package of its own. Today, the cost of an F-35B would be approximately EUR 130 million each (and that price does not include the engine, which costs over $28 million each—Ed.)

Poor planning

Given the economic inaccessibility of the F-35B, whose costs increase as the program advances, the Navy has been criticized for what some call "poor planning" on the Harriers.

Some years ago, the UK retired its own fleet of Harriers, and these would have been an n "almost inexhaustible" source of equipment and spare parts that would have allowed the Spanish Harrier fleet to be maintained for over a decade. And, above all, at an "affordable price," critics say.

These critics say Spain negotiated with the United Kingdom to purchase some of the Harrier inventory, but the conditions stipulated by Spain were rejected by London, which eventually sold more than 70 Harrier aircraft and a full spare parts inventory to the main operator of the Harrier: the US Marine Corps, which "which had predicted well before that the F- 35B not arrive in time."


(EDITOR’S NOTE: Other Spanish media report that the Council of Ministers has authorized the defense ministry to extend the Memorandum of Understanding on the life-cycle support of the AV-8B Plus for another 10 years, until December 2024.
The US, UK, Italy and Spain are the MoU’s signatories, and it is managed by a Joint Program Office set up in 1990, when the four countries first began to explore the joint design, development and support of a radar-equipped Harrier variant.
The MoU’s extension has been made possible because the USMC plans to extend the service life of its own AV-8Bs to keep them in service until the F-35B is finally delivered.
Spain will pay a total of 70.3 million euros for the MoU’s extension period, or about $10 million per year.)

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[cabeça de martelo]

Gracias a Nanne_5,56 de MP

[Francisco Carlos Dutzig]

Como ficou a história do submarino que era ancora?resolveram os EUA alguma coisa, parece que iriam ajudar