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hayes escreveu:

cb_lima escreveu:O problema é que os Sul Coreanos não gostam dos Japoneses quase mais do que não gostam dos Chineses...

Os Coreanos são muito desconfiados de qualquer coisa que ocorra no Japão que indique "a expansão" da Influência Japonesa nessa área do mundo.

Raptor's no Japão realmente sob o ponto de vista sul coreano colocaria o Japão na "liderança" militar naquela região (não que não ocorra hoje, é que o Raptor colocaria a diferença ainda maior).

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CB_Lima

Boa Noite sr. CB_lima,


Penso que isso seja reflexo da himbernação da Diplomacia Geoestratégica dos japoneses.

Com os recentes acontecimentos, da ascenção de Abe, e intenção de rever a Constituição Japonesa, crreio que os esforços diplomáticos do país serão direcionados para a estabilidade regional do Pacífico, especialmente com Coréi do Sul.

Já existe conversas no meio sobre um Tratado de Paz e Cooperação Nipo-Coreano, por meio do qual pretende-se erradicar a desconfiança que é mútua. Neste cenário, tal parceria tornar-se-á poderosíssima, e as possibilidades de cooperação, tecnológica, industrial e militar são gigantescas.

Perdoem o off-topic.


Respeitosamente,

Luis Asahi escreveu:

hayes escreveu:

cb_lima escreveu:O problema é que os Sul Coreanos não gostam dos Japoneses quase mais do que não gostam dos Chineses...

Os Coreanos são muito desconfiados de qualquer coisa que ocorra no Japão que indique "a expansão" da Influência Japonesa nessa área do mundo.

Raptor's no Japão realmente sob o ponto de vista sul coreano colocaria o Japão na "liderança" militar naquela região (não que não ocorra hoje, é que o Raptor colocaria a diferença ainda maior).

[]s
CB_Lima

Boa Noite sr. CB_lima,


Penso que isso seja reflexo da himbernação da Diplomacia Geoestratégica dos japoneses.

Com os recentes acontecimentos, da ascenção de Abe, e intenção de rever a Constituição Japonesa, crreio que os esforços diplomáticos do país serão direcionados para a estabilidade regional do Pacífico, especialmente com Coréi do Sul.

Já existe conversas no meio sobre um Tratado de Paz e Cooperação Nipo-Coreano, por meio do qual pretende-se erradicar a desconfiança que é mútua. Neste cenário, tal parceria tornar-se-á poderosíssima, e as possibilidades de cooperação, tecnológica, industrial e militar são gigantescas.

Perdoem o off-topic.


Respeitosamente,

Disse tudo!!!

Abraços

U.S. arms-sale chief discounts F-22 sale to Japan

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. government arms-sale official on Friday all but dismissed prospects for supplying the United States' premier fighter jet to Japan or Israel, even if a sale is cleared by Congress.

Designing an export version of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research radar-evading F-22 Raptor could cost more than $1 billion and be "prohibitively expensive" for any would-be foreign buyer, said Air Force Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler, head of the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

"If (export) were to be considered, which it's not, it essentially would have to be redesigned, rebuilt, retested and then go into production," Kohler, who oversees government-to-government arms sales, told Reuters in a brief interview.

The issue matters to Lockheed and its F-22 partners -- Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research and United Technologies Corp.'s (UTX.N: Quote, Profile, Research Pratt & Whitney unit -- because overseas sales could extend the production line beyond 2011, when the last of the 183 Raptors currently planned is due to be sent to the U.S. Air Force.

Any redesign, Kohler said, would require degrading the aircraft's capabilities and making them tamper-proof to keep the technology exclusive -- a process he said would take years.

"This airplane was built to give us an edge way into the future, and that's why it's not exportable."

Japanese military officials are eyeing the F-22, the U.S. Air Force's primary air superiority fighter, as part of their response to growing regional missile threats, among other things.

The first F-22 overseas deployment was to Kadena Air Base on Okinawa, Japan, this year. Twelve are still in the region. The aircraft goes for $136 million per copy, not including development costs.

"BECOMING COMPELLING"

"I'm aware the Japanese are interested in the F-22," Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an April 17 interview with Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine. "I'm also aware of our concerns about what we export and don't export in our high-end technology.

"We're committed to the defense of Japan, so we'll work our way through it," Pace said, according to an official transcript. "I think we all need to be concerned about both ballistic and cruise missile defense."

Loren Thompson, an analyst close to the Pentagon and to military contractors, discounted Kohler's comments as having been overtaken by senior Air Force officials' latest thinking.

"Strategic reasons for sharing the plane are becoming compelling," including cruise missile defense, said Thompson, of the Arlington, Virginia-based Lexington Institute, a research firm.

Another motivating factor, he said, is a belief that Japan may be willing to fund development of a new version that would be more of a bomber.

Israel is also widely reported to have shown interest in acquiring the F-22, which entered the U.S. combat fleet in December 2005, 20 years after it was conceived to battle Soviet MiG fighters over Europe.

As a prelude to exports, the U.S. Congress would have to lift a decade-old ban on overseas sales of the F-22, which features fuel-efficient supersonic speed and integrated electronic brains that could help defeat cruise missiles.

The ban was enacted to make sure the United States kept its technological edge. But the reported interest of Japan and Israel has fueled talk of reversing the law.

Dennis Wilder, senior director for East Asian Affairs on the White House National Security Council staff, told reporters this week that the Bush administration is "very positively disposed to talking to the Japanese about future-generation fighter aircraft.

"Whether it's going to be one model or another of aircraft is an open question at this point," he said on Wednesday, ahead of talks between President Bush and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan which may have included the issue.

Kohler told Reuters the U.S. intent was to supply Lockheed Martin's next-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, due to be available for export in about 2015.

Joseph Quimby, a spokesman for Lockheed's F-22 program, said, "Any discussions pertaining to foreign sales of the F-22 are the province of the U.S. government."

Sintra escreveu:Afinal parece que nos próximos tempos vão ter de se contentar com F15...

Esta noticia tem dois dias.

U.S. arms-sale chief discounts F-22 sale to Japan

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. government arms-sale official on Friday all but dismissed prospects for supplying the United States' premier fighter jet to Japan or Israel, even if a sale is cleared by Congress.

Designing an export version of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research radar-evading F-22 Raptor could cost more than $1 billion and be "prohibitively expensive" for any would-be foreign buyer, said Air Force Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler, head of the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

"If (export) were to be considered, which it's not, it essentially would have to be redesigned, rebuilt, retested and then go into production," Kohler, who oversees government-to-government arms sales, told Reuters in a brief interview.

The issue matters to Lockheed and its F-22 partners -- Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research and United Technologies Corp.'s (UTX.N: Quote, Profile, Research Pratt & Whitney unit -- because overseas sales could extend the production line beyond 2011, when the last of the 183 Raptors currently planned is due to be sent to the U.S. Air Force.

Any redesign, Kohler said, would require degrading the aircraft's capabilities and making them tamper-proof to keep the technology exclusive -- a process he said would take years.

"This airplane was built to give us an edge way into the future, and that's why it's not exportable."

Japanese military officials are eyeing the F-22, the U.S. Air Force's primary air superiority fighter, as part of their response to growing regional missile threats, among other things.

The first F-22 overseas deployment was to Kadena Air Base on Okinawa, Japan, this year. Twelve are still in the region. The aircraft goes for $136 million per copy, not including development costs.

"BECOMING COMPELLING"

"I'm aware the Japanese are interested in the F-22," Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an April 17 interview with Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine. "I'm also aware of our concerns about what we export and don't export in our high-end technology.

"We're committed to the defense of Japan, so we'll work our way through it," Pace said, according to an official transcript. "I think we all need to be concerned about both ballistic and cruise missile defense."

Loren Thompson, an analyst close to the Pentagon and to military contractors, discounted Kohler's comments as having been overtaken by senior Air Force officials' latest thinking.

"Strategic reasons for sharing the plane are becoming compelling," including cruise missile defense, said Thompson, of the Arlington, Virginia-based Lexington Institute, a research firm.

Another motivating factor, he said, is a belief that Japan may be willing to fund development of a new version that would be more of a bomber.

Israel is also widely reported to have shown interest in acquiring the F-22, which entered the U.S. combat fleet in December 2005, 20 years after it was conceived to battle Soviet MiG fighters over Europe.

As a prelude to exports, the U.S. Congress would have to lift a decade-old ban on overseas sales of the F-22, which features fuel-efficient supersonic speed and integrated electronic brains that could help defeat cruise missiles.

The ban was enacted to make sure the United States kept its technological edge. But the reported interest of Japan and Israel has fueled talk of reversing the law.

Dennis Wilder, senior director for East Asian Affairs on the White House National Security Council staff, told reporters this week that the Bush administration is "very positively disposed to talking to the Japanese about future-generation fighter aircraft.

"Whether it's going to be one model or another of aircraft is an open question at this point," he said on Wednesday, ahead of talks between President Bush and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan which may have included the issue.

Kohler told Reuters the U.S. intent was to supply Lockheed Martin's next-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, due to be available for export in about 2015.

Joseph Quimby, a spokesman for Lockheed's F-22 program, said, "Any discussions pertaining to foreign sales of the F-22 are the province of the U.S. government."

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersE ... 1320070427

Aerospace Daily and Defense Report
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 20Complete

Multiyear Raptor Procurement Deal Nearly Complete

May 4, 2007

Michael Fabey/Aerospace Daily & Defense Report

The Air Force and F-22 Raptor contractors team is only a couple of weeks away from completing negotiations for a multiyear procurement contract that could serve as a foundation for additional aircraft buys beyond the deal and become a template for other similar deals.

The multiyear deal will provide the promised $225 million in savings over the proposed three years, Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Riemer, the new Raptor program executive officer, told the Daily May 2 in his first media interview in his new job.

RAND evaluators are being brought in to scrutinize the procurement plan, Riemer said. Pentagon officials should begin their review in the first part of June to certify that the procurement strategy complies with appropriate laws and policies.

After that, the procurement plan will go to Congress for its review.

While one of the elements of the multiyear plan is to prolong Raptor production to make a bridge for the next fifth-generation U.S. combat aircraft - the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - the long-term procurement plan will rise or fall on its ability to cut costs, Riemer said. It's been priority one for him since taking over in January, he said.

"We have to show the savings," Riemer said.

And the continuing question in Congress and some circles of the Pentagon is whether the cost savings being generated are enough.

"This whole summer people will be discussing the criteria and the savings," Riemer said.

It's been difficult enough, he said, to mold a multiyear plan for about five dozen aircraft in so short a time. Usually, a single contract has taken twice and even three times as long.

At the same time, he said, the Air Force and contractors have had to forge a single-year, single-lot deal in case the multiyear falls through, he said. That proposed deal will be ready for review at the same time as the multiyear.

To work out the simultaneous contracts, the Air Force and contractors had to work out projected rate adjustment clauses - no easy task with rising raw material prices.

Riemer would not disclose how much the multiyear per-Raptor costs would be.

However, the Air Force has listed the flyaway costs for Lot 6 aircraft at $138 million.

And, according to a DAILY analysis of DOD fiscal year 2008 budget request numbers, the average cost for 20 aircraft would be about $193 million per Raptor.

F-22 critics point out that the aircraft was supposed to cost only a fraction of that amount when the aircraft was being developed through the 1990s. The program acquisition cost per plane is nearly a third of a billion dollars.

But Riemer points out the program per-plane costs are based on the Pentagon-imposed 183 budgetary cap - about half the number the Air Force says it requires, and only a fraction of the 750 the Air Force initially was supposed to get.

Getting and keeping to the terms of the multiyear plan - and making sure the F-22 does the job it's meant to - should help the Air Force to get more than 183 Raptors allotted, Riemer said.

The average per-Raptor flyaway cost for the 183 total is about $159.9 million. For 750, the service says, the cost could be about $58.9 million, based on a base year 2005 price.

Japan studies interim deal to replace F-4s
By Siva Govindasamy

Japan could order an interim batch of 20-30 Boeing F-15s or Eurofighter Typhoons if it fails to get access to its first choices: the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Acquiring the $200 million F-22 remains Tokyo's priority, but industry sources say it may not be given access to the aircraft in time for a request for proposals to be released from later this year. US Congress has banned the export of the F-22 and may not change its stance in time for the competition to replace Japan's McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantoms.

"Ideally, Japan would like to buy around 50 F-22s for delivery from 2010," says a source close to the defence ministry. "The replacement of the F-4s cannot be delayed too long, and new F-15s or the Typhoon are the best option until Japan gets access to the F-22 or F-35." Other aircraft that could be included in the RFP are the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale, although the F-15 is considered a likely favourite as the type is already in Japanese service.

The USA could provide information on the F-35 in time for inclusion in the RFP, but the aircraft's delivery schedule is an obstacle, with the first examples to be available to Japan only around 2014. Sources expect Tokyo to issue the RFP between September and early next year, with a contract to potentially be signed by early 2009.

Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe and defence minister Fumio Kyuma have both raised the issue of releasing information on the F-22 during recent visits to the USA and the Japanese and US air forces conducted a joint exercise last month involving their F-4s and F-15s and the F-22. The US Air Force has deployed a squadron of F-22s at Kadena AB in Okinawa since February.

Wolfgang escreveu:Do sistema de armas;

A Lockheed Martin mostrou o novo míssil cruise chamado Low Cost Miniature Cruise Missile com alcance de 750 milhas e com tamanho menor para ser levado no compartimento interno do F-22A. O míssil tem formato semelhante ao JASSM, mas é 20% menor. O demonstrador deve voar em 2008.

F-22 com míssel cruzeiro. 750 milhas.

morcego escreveu:

Wolfgang escreveu:Do sistema de armas;

A Lockheed Martin mostrou o novo míssil cruise chamado Low Cost Miniature Cruise Missile com alcance de 750 milhas e com tamanho menor para ser levado no compartimento interno do F-22A. O míssil tem formato semelhante ao JASSM, mas é 20% menor. O demonstrador deve voar em 2008.

F-22 com míssel cruzeiro. 750 milhas.

daqui a pouco alguém coloca que os russos já tem um 800 milhas que pode ser dispardo dos priscilas.

Sintra escreveu:Eagles ou Tiffies agora e, se possivel Raptor´s mais tarde

Japan studies interim deal to replace F-4s
By Siva Govindasamy

Japan could order an interim batch of 20-30 Boeing F-15s or Eurofighter Typhoons if it fails to get access to its first choices: the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Acquiring the $200 million F-22 remains Tokyo's priority, but industry sources say it may not be given access to the aircraft in time for a request for proposals to be released from later this year. US Congress has banned the export of the F-22 and may not change its stance in time for the competition to replace Japan's McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantoms.

"Ideally, Japan would like to buy around 50 F-22s for delivery from 2010," says a source close to the defence ministry. "The replacement of the F-4s cannot be delayed too long, and new F-15s or the Typhoon are the best option until Japan gets access to the F-22 or F-35." Other aircraft that could be included in the RFP are the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale, although the F-15 is considered a likely favourite as the type is already in Japanese service.

The USA could provide information on the F-35 in time for inclusion in the RFP, but the aircraft's delivery schedule is an obstacle, with the first examples to be available to Japan only around 2014. Sources expect Tokyo to issue the RFP between September and early next year, with a contract to potentially be signed by early 2009.

Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe and defence minister Fumio Kyuma have both raised the issue of releasing information on the F-22 during recent visits to the USA and the Japanese and US air forces conducted a joint exercise last month involving their F-4s and F-15s and the F-22. The US Air Force has deployed a squadron of F-22s at Kadena AB in Okinawa since February.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... -f-4s.html

talharim escreveu:F-15 com certeza.

A escolha ó óbvia,o F-15 é o único que tem alcance para atacar a China.

Esse fator foi decisivo tbm para os Sul Coreanos terem escolhido o F-15K.