Novo Destroyer Italiano tipo HORIZON lançado

[VICTOR]

As vezes eu mesmo me surpreendo com as coisas que escrevo

A Horizon é melhor do que as congêneres orientais.

Principalmente a Horizon Italiana.

Estava indo tão bem...

[Einsamkeit]

Talharim tudo depende, A Russia tem otimos navios, o Kirov mesmo vale pela força de superficie da MB toda, Mais o que voce citou sao Navios velhos e antiquados, agora o sistema S-300 com seu lançador revolver é otimo, mais acho que so o Kirov e o Chines 052 tem.

[talharim]

Einsamkeit escreveu:

Mais o que voce citou sao Navios velhos e antiquados, agora o sistema S-300 com seu lançador revolver é otimo, mais acho que so o Kirov e o Chines 052 tem.

São todos ótimos navios Einsa,não ficam devendo em nada em questão de guerra anti-submarino e guerra anti-navio.Somente carecem de uma melhor defesa anti-aérea.

[Einsamkeit]

Sao ate melhores para ASUW no caso dos Sovremenny que usam moskit, mais eles nao tem uma defesa AA de longo alcançe, mais estao lotados de kashtan e AK-630, eles tem uma boa defesa de ponto, ja o Kirov, tem tudo do bom e do melhor, tem 2 Osa, 12 Lançadores verticais de S-300, uma porrada de kashtan.....

Mais é pra quem pode.

[talharim]

A classe de fragatas Neustrashimy russa tabém carrega 8 lançadores para o Moskit SS-N-22 Sunburn.

A Horizon é uma fragata completa.

As fragatas orientais são usadas essencialmente para guerra anti-submarino.

[VICTOR]

Qual é a ficha técnica da Horizon?

HORIZON CLASS ANTI-AIR WARFARE FRIGATES, FRANCE/ITALY

Italy and France each ordered two Horizon class anti-air warfare (AAW) frigates in October 2000. The frigates are being built by Horizon SAS, a joint venture between Armaris (Thales and DCN) of France and Orrizonte Sistemi Navali (Fincantieri and Finmeccanica) of Italy.

The first French vessel, Forbin, began construction in April 2002 and was launched in March 2005 for delivery at the end of 2006. The second, Chevalier Paul, started construction in December 2003 with delivery set for 2008. The first Italian vessel, Bergamini, started building July 2002 for launch in late 2005 and delivery in mid-2007. The second began building in September 2003 for delivery in early 2009. The French frigates will replace the Suffren and Duquesnes frigates, while the Italian vessels will replace the Audace and Ardito.

The original Horizon project was a three-nation initiative including Italy, France and the UK to build a new design of air defence ship. The UK government withdrew from the program in 1999. France and Italy signed a new Memorandum of Understanding in September 2000 confirming the joint development of the Horizon.

The main requirement for the frigates is to escort and protect task forces or merchant shipping. The main missions of the Horizon frigate are to provide local area or extended cover against saturation missile attacks and to escort and protect carrier groups. The ship also has powerful anti-submarine and anti-air self defence.

The ship is configured for rapid deployment and extended range and endurance and can carry sufficient fuel, water and stores for an endurance of 45 days at sea between replenishments. The ship can attain a speed of 29 knots and, at a cruising speed of 18 knots, has a range of over 7,000nm.

COMMAND AND CONTROL

The command and control system is being developed by Eurosysnav, a joint venture company set up by Armaris and Finmeccanica, and will be based on the Senit 8 combat data system. Alenia Marconi Systems, now Selex Sistemi Integrati, is supplying the Data Transfer System (DTS).

NICCO Communications SAS, a joint venture between Thales Communications and Marconi Mobile SpA, is developing the fully integrated communications system. The communications suite will include two Link 11 and one Link 16 high capacity digital information distribution systems. Selex and Sagem are supplying the integrated navigation system.

The Selex NA 25 will provide fire control for the 76mm guns. The ships will also be equipped with the SAGEM Vampire MB infrared search and track system (IRST), which operates in both 3-5 and 8-12 micron wavebands.
FRIGATE MISSILES

Horizon frigates will be armed with the PAAMS Principal Anti-Air Missile System. PAAMS is a tri-national programme involving France, Italy and the UK. The contract for series production was placed in November 2003. The prime contractor is Europaams SAS, a joint venture company two thirds owned by Eurosam (MBDA and Thales) and one third by the UKAMS subsidiary of MBDA. The system is also being fitted on UK Royal Navy Type 45 frigates.

The DCN Sylver A50 vertical launch system within PAAMS, installed immediately forward of the two guns towards the bow deck, has 48 cells for both the Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles. The Sylver launcher ensures that each round is aligned to within 1mrad. The maximum rate of fire is up to six rounds per second. The Aster missile carries an inertial computer with datalink and an active J-band Doppler radar seeker. Aster 30 has a range of 100km, Aster 15 a range of 30km. The missile has manoeuvrability of up to 62g, achieved through the use of the PIF/PAF guidance system.

The Italian frigates will be fitted with two quadruple launchers for the MBDA Teseo (Otomat) Mark 3 surface-to-surface missile, which has a range of up to 55km. The quadruple launchers are installed aiming one to port and one to starboard on the missile deck between the ship's two masts. The missile uses command updated inertial guidance and reaches high subsonic speed, 0.9 Mach.
FRIGATE GUNS

The three Oto Melara 76mm/62 Super Rapid guns are installed as a pair on the foredeck immediately forward of the bridge and a single gun installed on the hangar overlooking the helicopter deck at the aft of the ship. Two Oto Melara Mod 503 25mm/80 guns are installed one to port and one to starboard.

FRIGATE TORPEDOES

The ship has two twin torpedo launchers for Eurotorp Mu 90 lightweight torpedoes. Eurotorp is a consortium formed by Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS), DCN and Thales. Mu 90 has a directed energy warhead and a range of 12,000m at maximum speed and 25,000m at minimum speed.

FRIGATE COUNTERMEASURES

The electronic warfare suite is being developed by the Sigen Consortium (Thales Systèmes Aéroportés SA of France and Elettronica SpA of Italy) and is characterised by the latest generation of radar ESM (electronic support measures) and ECM (electronic countermeasures) architectures and implementation of new digital and microwave technologies.

The radar ESM component will feature very high sensitivity, very high accuracy direction finding and broadband digital receivers. The radar ECM component is based on Phased Array Solid State Technology and will feature high specific transmitted power, fast reaction, multi-threats engagement capability and complete programmability of coherent and not coherent jamming techniques, due to the implementation of multiple broadband Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM).

The French frigates will have EADS Systems and Defence Electronics New Generation Dagaie System (NGDS). Each system consists of a pair of two-axis launchers with 12 infrared, radar or acoustic decoys. Italian vessels will have Oto Melara/Alenia Marconi Systems SCLAR-H decoy launchers for chaff and infrared flares.

Horizon is equipped with a SLAT torpedo defence system which is also installed on the French and Italian aircraft carriers, the Charles de Gaulle and the Garibaldi. SLAT has been developed by EUROSLAT, a consortium consisting of WASS (Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subaqua), DCN and Thales Underwater Systems.

HELICOPTERS

The helicopter deck at the bow of the ship has a single landing spot for a 10t helicopter, for example the NH 90 or EH101 Merlin helicopter. The stabilisation system allows the ship's helicopter to be deployed and the combat systems operated in high sea states.

FRIGATE SENSORS

The large round radome of the Selex EMPAR multi-function phased array radar (primary sensor for PAAMS), operating at G-band (4GHz to 6GHz), is mounted at the top of the forward mast. The Thales/Selex S1850M air and surface search radar, operating at D-band (1GHz to 2GHz) is mounted at the top of the aft mast.

The Selex RASS surface search radar, covering E and F bands (2GHz to 3GHz, and 3GHz to 4GHz), is mounted on the forward face of the mast. The AMS SPN 753(V)4 navigation radar operates at I-band in the range 8GHz to 10GHz. Selex also provides the SIR-R/S Interrogation Friend or Foe (IFF) system.

Thales Underwater Systems and WASS have been awarded the contract to supply the hull mounted TMS 4110CL sonar which operates at medium frequency in active search and attack mode. TMS 4110CL uses a cylindrical array and advanced processing.

PROPULSION

The ship's propulsion system is configured in a combined diesel or gas (CODOG) arrangement with two GE LM2500 gas turbines rated at 53MW and two SEMT Pielstick diesel engines rated at 8MW. The engines drive two shafts with constant pitch propellers.

[VICTOR]

Deslocamento: 5600 t.

Interessante como era um projeto multinacional como o Rafale, mas desta vez quem pulou fora foram os britânicos, que resolveram fazer a Type 45 Daring sozinhos.

A Type 45 é maior: 8000 t.

Alguém sabe as estórias por trás da retirada britânica do projeto Horizon?

[VICTOR]

Eu mesmo achei as intrigas:

France, Italy and the UK issued a joint requirement in 1992 after the failure of the NATO Frigate Replacement (NFR-90) project. The resulting CNGF program consisted of the Horizon frigate and its Principle Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS.)

Problems emerged almost immediately: the primary problem was that of differing requirements: France wanted AAW escorts for its aircraft carriers, however with a limited range due to the self-defence capability of the Charles De Gaulle. Italy too required only close range capabilities, as in its home waters of the Mediterranean Sea the ships would operate under Italian Air Force cover. The Royal Navy, however, required more capable ships which could throw a large defensive "bubble" over a fleet operating in hostile areas. The compromise which largely solved this problem was the adoption of a standard radar interface which allowed France and Italy to install the EMPAR multi-function radar and the UK to install the more capable SAMPSON radar.

1995 saw the establishment of an International Joint Venture Company (IJVC) compromising the national prime contractors, DCN (France,) GEC-Marconi (UK) and Orizzonte (Italy). In the period 1995-1996 significant arguments, changing requirements and technological problems led to the slippage of the in-service-date of the frigates to around 2006.

In early 1997 a disagreement emerged as to the choice of Vertical Launch System (VLS) for the PAAMS' MBDA Aster missiles. France and Italy favored the European SYLVER launcher, while the UK was leaning toward the American Mk 41 - capable of firing the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile. This issue was eventually resolved when the SYLVER launcher was selected by the PAAMS development team.

In 1999, with the overall programme in difficulties and the Horizon frigate itself effectively stalled, the UK announced that it was withdrawing from the CNGF project to pursue its own national design. Summing up the changes from the original specification the UK's Chief of Defence Procurement is reported to have said "it's not common and it's not a frigate!". The resulting Type 45 destroyer will be armed with the PAAMS missile system and has benefited from investment in the Horizon project.

France and Italy have continued their collaboration under the Horizon project, ordering two ships each which will also deploy the PAAMS missile system. The first ship of the series, the French Forbin, was launched on the on March 10 2005.

The French Navy has already ordered two units (Forbin and Chevalier Paul, is plans to order two other units around 2007.

The Marina Militare also ordered two units, Andrea Doria and Caio Duilio, to replace Audace and Ardito.

[Einsamkeit]

A Type-45 sem duvida é um navio mais capaz, e bem mais caro, e tem cobertura 360graus permanente com o radar sampson.

[P44]

Malta

Acho que foi daqui que o Victor tirou os infos, podem verificar as especificações técnicas das Horizon

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/horizon2/

[Raul Neto]

Interessante o número de navios destinado a cada Armada

[P44]

Interessante o número de navios destinado a cada Armada

O custo deve ser tão elevado que só podem ter 2

[Einsamkeit]

Acho que eles nao tem necessidade de mais, ja que a italia so vai ter dois porta avioes, vai uma horizon e um la penne para cada um.

Ja a França tem os dois cassard que serao modernizados.

[P44]

Um dos Horizon franceses substituirá o D603 Duquesne

...La frégate Duquesne sera retirée du service actif en 2007 ou 2008 et remplacée par une frégates type Horizon.

http://www.netmarine.net/bat/fregates/d ... /index.htm

[Einsamkeit]

Sao navios novos de 1989 e 1991, acho que sao para substituir as Suffren.