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I actually dont think so. I think he is a poor reflection on what is otherwise a great airforce. He is talking to some senior most people about the IAF capabilities, when his whole speech is filled with inaccuracies.
1. MiG-21 Bison radar is Russian, Kyopo-21 not Israeli
2. Su-30MKI doesnt have Tumansaky Engines, rather the AL-31FP Lubyanka NPO Saturn Engines
3. To think a force which has a history as long as 75 years, follows the western and british traditions in particular to be some un-proffessional bunch boys.
4. Has he ever considered, when the SU-30MKI falls out of the sky, what is the most potent weapon in its arsenel, IRST Short Range Missile cued by the HMS doing?
5. IAF is in foreign territory, it doesnt carry much spares nor does it machines carry in similarity of parts with US machines, so why should they risk FOD
6. This proves, as he himself agrees that Indians thrashed the Americans in Cope-India 2005
7. He is comparing the Su-30MKI to Raptor throughout the episode, this is what is suprising me. He already says it is as a system above 15's and 16's.
8. Indians uses K-DlAE/TKS-2-27 system for datalink, therefore they never had any realtime info, only an American Accented AWACS controller calling IFF.
9. Indians in Mountain AFB, was fighting the against the creme de la creme of US Airforce, the Red Forces. And if as the speaker says, Indians held on pretty well. Then well done Indians!!!!!!
10. Has anyone considered that Indians might also be looking for the weakness of the 16 and 15 series. trying to figure them out!
3. He says he expected the Indians to be unproffessional. Shows his lack of intellect in learning of histories of Airforces.Quote:
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1. You're correct.
2. Correct again.
3. I don't see how that was said. He even praised the IAF.
4. Can't speak for the man but from what he claims, a number were shot down, so the USAF guys must have known what they were doing.
5. There have been many foreign AF's to Red Flag as well.
6. Was discussed many times on mp.net.
7. Because the F-22 would be the front line fighter facing the SU-27 series in the event of hostilities... let's say, hypothetically, China.
8. And thus causing confusion in what I am speculating was often a fast paced battle environment.
9. Congrats to the IAF, indeed!! Or anyone that can hold their own against aggressors
10. It's not been the first time the IAF has flown against either aircraft afaik.
4. That is because the Indians used their Radar's BARS PESA N011P in Training Mode, not to mention they didnt use the IRST Missile.
5. Yes, Which is why Rafale had very low turn around times, refer Sagar Pathak's review on Indian Ground Crew.
6. Saying it was all Politics(Congress Funding) for Raptors, this Speaker says otherwise
7. Maybe one should wait for PAK-FA, Raptor and MKI is incomparable in my opinion, yet the Speaker says though Raptor is better, they still have a chance? Which is interesting
8. Yes, It agains shows how good the Indians were, even with all their limitations and unfamiliarity with Red Flag, I wonder how they are going to perform when they get their Phalcon AWACS, and their AFNET is up and running!
10. It is the first time for SU-30MKI, earlier it was the SU-30K, Jagaurs and MiG-21s and Mirages 2000 TH
11. The average age of the IAF pilots participating in the Red Flag was 24.
12. He is wrong about the transfer of MiG-21 Bison pilots being the most experienced(did he base it on the age of the aircraft, lol) is wrong. Indians dont have elite squadrons as such! All of the people are distributed as per opening. Every Sqaudron has experienced as well as young members, with young members being in larger numbers.
It was stupid for him and his counter parts to assume Indians to be some tinpot airforce, not to mention just because they use Russian equipment(top of the line) they will use Soviet Tactics. This kind of unproffessionalism at one point of time was unforgivable in the US Airforce, I dont know what is happening now?
I do enjoy the civility this debate has taken and the opinions exchangedMidav
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1. I am not branding all pilots, but many can be cocky. Confidence can be good.... Overconfidence can be bad. A general rule for life
2. That's news to me if true. Much how aircraft were limited in Cope India but that is #6.
3. Rafale is only one of dozens and dozens of aircraft that have partaken over the decades.
4. Already been talked about.
5. PAK-AF is in the future. F-22 vs SU-27 series would be now should a war break out. I pray that does not happen.
6. Just like any AF that comes to a new exercise am sure they did well
7. So they have experience against said aircraft. As the pilot stated, many SU pilots were former MiG-21 pilots. It's a probability they engaged F-15/16's then.
8. I have no idea what the average age was. However, he was talking experience and flight hours. He said 50-50 between experienced pilots and rookies?
9. That's news to me if true.
1. We all love Maverick, I am sure the Indians are doing the same in their own de-brief. But that is not my point of contention, the sheer number of errors in his speech, very schoolboyish and not to mention to the higher ups of the US Airforce, and Airforce Magazine has already written an article on this, this guy is full of hot air, yet his title and position gives him a lot of crediblity. Not to mention his complete dis-respect for the french, this isnt school yard.
2. Those are well reported in the media, i could give you links
3. Yes, But they had similar problems, and he is right about Indians have to send back the engines to Russia. My point was the reason why Indians did it.
4. Yes, but those talks were quite unapperciate of the IAF, this admission by the speaker should silence that. IAF did really well in Cope India
5. Agreed, If that is case, as the Speaker said the MKI is a formiddable machine.
6. For an airforce coming for the first time, and not used to many technologies, they did more than 'just as well'.
7. He is wrong on that count, very few have transffered from the Bisons, since they are in operational service till 2020. Most of them have transffered from retired MiG-23 and MiG-21 Bis. Even then the average age is 26-27. The WSO is the most important person in the Su-30MKI not the pilot.
8. I didnt get that. 50-50,how?
9. It is true.
Same here, I am not in the IAF "D" Great or USAF invincible bandwagons. I am sure both airforces learnt quite a lot.
PS: He is also wrong about the F-15K Radar.
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