Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 10:57 am
essa do "por engano" é que me assusta..... 
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Avião sobrevoa EUA com ogivas nucleares por engano
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Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 2:18 pm
O que tem de problema? As ogivas estavam por dentro de um B-52? E dai? Agora se fosse um Bear ou Backfire com ogivas nucleares sobre os EUA agora tem problema.
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 2:56 pm
O Chaves deve der desejado:
Cai, cai, cai,....
Abraços.
"Crei em Jesus Cristo"
Cai, cai, cai,....
Abraços.
"Crei em Jesus Cristo"
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:05 pm
Patton escreveu:O que tem de problema? As ogivas estavam por dentro de um B-52? E dai? Agora se fosse um Bear ou Backfire com ogivas nucleares sobre os EUA agora tem problema.
Lógico que o problema não é um B-52 com Ogivas...o problema é o "por engano"!
Como se coloca uma arma desse tipo por engano em um avião?
Sempre achei que esse tipo de arma tinha um controle rígido. Sempre sabendo-se exatamente onde cada uma está.
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:08 pm
O que tem de problema? As ogivas estavam por dentro de um B-52? E dai? Agora se fosse um Bear ou Backfire com ogivas nucleares sobre os EUA agora tem problema.
O que tem de problema?
Imagina isso tudo explodindo pertinho de você, será que isso não é problema?
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:16 pm
Como uma ogiva vai parar dentro de um avião POR ENGANO!!! Não dizem que esses negócios são ultra controlados? Pô...
Imagina se isso foi um teste de um grupo 'pro-islã' testando as defesas dos EUA! (Teoria da conspiração)
Imagina se isso foi um teste de um grupo 'pro-islã' testando as defesas dos EUA! (Teoria da conspiração)
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:23 pm
Olá
Ao que parece os oficiais encarregados dessa base aérea assim como as equipes da manutenção e adestramento estão afastados dos cargos!
O que incomoda a todos aqui nos EUA é realmente a parte do 'por engano'...
Isso não pode ser admitido.
Imagina o cara chegar para os interrogadores e dizer:
"- Ih, foi mal aí pessoal!" - hehehehe
[]s
CB_Lima
Ao que parece os oficiais encarregados dessa base aérea assim como as equipes da manutenção e adestramento estão afastados dos cargos!
O que incomoda a todos aqui nos EUA é realmente a parte do 'por engano'...
Isso não pode ser admitido.
Imagina o cara chegar para os interrogadores e dizer:
"- Ih, foi mal aí pessoal!" - hehehehe
[]s
CB_Lima
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:25 pm
Imagina se isso foi um teste de um grupo 'pro-islã' testando as defesas dos EUA! (Teoria da conspiração)
Eles costumam fazer testes é com munição real e uma vez só.
Ou você ja viu treinamento para homem-bomba?
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:29 pm
luisdmrx escreveu:Imagina se isso foi um teste de um grupo 'pro-islã' testando as defesas dos EUA! (Teoria da conspiração)
Eles costumam fazer testes é com munição real e uma vez só.
Ou você ja viu treinamento para homem-bomba?
Atenção alunos, prestem MUITA atenção por que vou fazer isso uma vez só!......
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:31 pm
luisdmrx escreveu:Imagina se isso foi um teste de um grupo 'pro-islã' testando as defesas dos EUA! (Teoria da conspiração)
Eles costumam fazer testes é com munição real e uma vez só.
Ou você ja viu treinamento para homem-bomba?
Sinceramente, pra atos terroristas complexos é necessário muito treinamento sim... Imagina, um B-52 sendo extraviado... Agora imaginem um B-52 sendo extraviado com ogivas nucleares... Eles podem ir a qualquer lugar no mundo, e com um plano bem eleborado podem sair dos EUA sem levantar suspeitas...
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:33 pm
cb_lima escreveu:Olá
Ao que parece os oficiais encarregados dessa base aérea assim como as equipes da manutenção e adestramento estão afastados dos cargos!
O que incomoda a todos aqui nos EUA é realmente a parte do 'por engano'...
Isso não pode ser admitido.
Imagina o cara chegar para os interrogadores e dizer:
"- Ih, foi mal aí pessoal!" - hehehehe
[]s
CB_Lima
O interessante é que durante a Guerra Fria estava no topo, os B-52 eram mantidos no ar sempre carregados e cruzavam dezenas de países e não havia tanto bafafa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[]s
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 3:36 pm
Alitson escreveu:cb_lima escreveu:Olá
Ao que parece os oficiais encarregados dessa base aérea assim como as equipes da manutenção e adestramento estão afastados dos cargos!
O que incomoda a todos aqui nos EUA é realmente a parte do 'por engano'...
Isso não pode ser admitido.
Imagina o cara chegar para os interrogadores e dizer:
"- Ih, foi mal aí pessoal!" - hehehehe
[]s
CB_Lima
O interessante é que durante a Guerra Fria estava no topo, os B-52 eram mantidos no ar sempre carregados e cruzavam dezenas de países e não havia tanto bafafa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[]s
É verdade... o problema é que naquele tempo 'eles queriam isso'!
O ruim é justificar como é que 5/6 ogivas nucleares sairam dos paióis super seguros e mantidos inclusivo sob acordos internacionais de não proliferação foram passear do outro lado do país...
E além disso o governo fica sendo o último a saber.
Isso é que é brabo!
[]s
CB_Lima
Enviado: Qui Set 06, 2007 4:22 pm
Patton escreveu:O que tem de problema? As ogivas estavam por dentro de um B-52? E dai? Agora se fosse um Bear ou Backfire com ogivas nucleares sobre os EUA agora tem problema.
O problema é o "por engano", se fôsse um transporte já agendado tudo bem.
Enviado: Seg Set 10, 2007 7:43 am
Air Force Investigates Alleged Nuke Transfer, Pentagon Spokesman Says
(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Sept. 6, 2007)
WASHINGTON --- The Pentagon is awaiting results of an Air Force investigation into the alleged improper transfer of weapons by air from a base in North Dakota to a Louisiana military installation last week.
News reports say several nuclear-tipped cruise missiles were mistakenly attached to the wing of a B-52 bomber, which then flew for more than three hours across several states. Media reports state the aircrew did not know nuclear weapons were aboard.
“The Air Force is currently investigating an error made last Thursday in the transfer of munitions … from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base aboard a B-52 Stratofortress,” Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told reporters at a news conference here yesterday.
However, citing long-standing Defense Department policy, Morrell did not confirm nuclear weapons were involved in the incident.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates “was quickly informed” of the Aug. 30 incident, Morrell said. He added that Gates has been getting daily briefings from senior Air Force leaders on the progress of the investigation.
The incident was of sufficient importance “that President Bush was notified of it,” Morrell said.
Gen. T. Michael Moseley, the Air Force’s chief of staff, has assured Gates that the munitions in question were under proper supervision at all times and that “at no time was the public in danger,” Morrell reported.
He said he wasn’t aware if any disciplinary action was taken against Air Force personnel as a result of the incident.
The Air Force’s investigative report of the incident should be delivered to Gates “by the end of next week,” Morrell said. (ends)
Nukes on a Plane
(Source: Project On Government Oversight; issued Sept. 6, 2007)
Who knew that the threat posed by the American Midwest warranted a nuclear deterrent? Apparently a crew at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota did.
News reports revealed today that, in what can only be described as an unbelievable blunder, Air Force personnel allowed a B-52 bomber to fly from North Dakota to Louisiana last week armed with nuclear cruise missiles. The incident has provoked a massive response from top officials: Defense Secretary Gates and President Bush were notified, an investigation launched, disciplinary action taken against the Air Force personnel involved, an inventory underway of all Air Force nuclear weapons, and a halting of all fighter and bomber flights on Sept. 14.
The incident also raises the question of exactly when, where, and under what conditions US aircraft are allowed to be armed with nuclear weapons. Retired Air Force Major General Don Shepperd remarked in a CNN report on the story that "...the United States had agreed in a Cold War-era treaty not to fly nuclear weapons. 'It appears that what happened was this treaty agreement was violated,' he said."
The CNN report isn't clear on what "Cold War-era treaty" he's referencing. However, an article from the Global Security Newswire provides a more in-depth and convincing explanation:
The risk of flying accidents, however, led the United States to abandon all nuclear-armed bomber flights in 1968, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert with the Federation of American Scientists.
Until then, the Air Force kept about 12 strategic bombers in the air at all times, with each one usually carrying two to four nuclear gravity bombs. Several accidents occurred (see GSN, June 20, 2005), including a crash in Spain in 1966 and then a crash at an air base in Greenland on Jan. 21, 1968. The plane’s nuclear weapons did not explode in the latter incident, but their radioactive fissile material was dispersed at the crash site.
Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that day ordered the grounding of all nuclear-armed aircraft, a policy that has continued for four decades. Instead of flying with nuclear weapons, armed bombers were kept on alert on the ground with flight crews nearby to enable the planes to take off within minutes, if necessary.
In 1991, President George H.W. Bush reduced the bomber alert status further by ordering nuclear weapons to be removed from the aircraft and kept in nearby storage facilities.
The GSN description seems to indicate that the ban on flying nuclear-armed aircraft was the result of a DoD Directive or Executive Order. It's worth noting that a separate GSN article from March reported that the US will soon end its use of nuclear cruise missiles pursuant to the 2002 Moscow Treaty. Perhaps this is the "Cold War-era treaty" mentioned by Shepperd.
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(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Sept. 6, 2007)
WASHINGTON --- The Pentagon is awaiting results of an Air Force investigation into the alleged improper transfer of weapons by air from a base in North Dakota to a Louisiana military installation last week.
News reports say several nuclear-tipped cruise missiles were mistakenly attached to the wing of a B-52 bomber, which then flew for more than three hours across several states. Media reports state the aircrew did not know nuclear weapons were aboard.
“The Air Force is currently investigating an error made last Thursday in the transfer of munitions … from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base aboard a B-52 Stratofortress,” Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told reporters at a news conference here yesterday.
However, citing long-standing Defense Department policy, Morrell did not confirm nuclear weapons were involved in the incident.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates “was quickly informed” of the Aug. 30 incident, Morrell said. He added that Gates has been getting daily briefings from senior Air Force leaders on the progress of the investigation.
The incident was of sufficient importance “that President Bush was notified of it,” Morrell said.
Gen. T. Michael Moseley, the Air Force’s chief of staff, has assured Gates that the munitions in question were under proper supervision at all times and that “at no time was the public in danger,” Morrell reported.
He said he wasn’t aware if any disciplinary action was taken against Air Force personnel as a result of the incident.
The Air Force’s investigative report of the incident should be delivered to Gates “by the end of next week,” Morrell said. (ends)
Nukes on a Plane
(Source: Project On Government Oversight; issued Sept. 6, 2007)
Who knew that the threat posed by the American Midwest warranted a nuclear deterrent? Apparently a crew at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota did.
News reports revealed today that, in what can only be described as an unbelievable blunder, Air Force personnel allowed a B-52 bomber to fly from North Dakota to Louisiana last week armed with nuclear cruise missiles. The incident has provoked a massive response from top officials: Defense Secretary Gates and President Bush were notified, an investigation launched, disciplinary action taken against the Air Force personnel involved, an inventory underway of all Air Force nuclear weapons, and a halting of all fighter and bomber flights on Sept. 14.
The incident also raises the question of exactly when, where, and under what conditions US aircraft are allowed to be armed with nuclear weapons. Retired Air Force Major General Don Shepperd remarked in a CNN report on the story that "...the United States had agreed in a Cold War-era treaty not to fly nuclear weapons. 'It appears that what happened was this treaty agreement was violated,' he said."
The CNN report isn't clear on what "Cold War-era treaty" he's referencing. However, an article from the Global Security Newswire provides a more in-depth and convincing explanation:
The risk of flying accidents, however, led the United States to abandon all nuclear-armed bomber flights in 1968, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert with the Federation of American Scientists.
Until then, the Air Force kept about 12 strategic bombers in the air at all times, with each one usually carrying two to four nuclear gravity bombs. Several accidents occurred (see GSN, June 20, 2005), including a crash in Spain in 1966 and then a crash at an air base in Greenland on Jan. 21, 1968. The plane’s nuclear weapons did not explode in the latter incident, but their radioactive fissile material was dispersed at the crash site.
Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that day ordered the grounding of all nuclear-armed aircraft, a policy that has continued for four decades. Instead of flying with nuclear weapons, armed bombers were kept on alert on the ground with flight crews nearby to enable the planes to take off within minutes, if necessary.
In 1991, President George H.W. Bush reduced the bomber alert status further by ordering nuclear weapons to be removed from the aircraft and kept in nearby storage facilities.
The GSN description seems to indicate that the ban on flying nuclear-armed aircraft was the result of a DoD Directive or Executive Order. It's worth noting that a separate GSN article from March reported that the US will soon end its use of nuclear cruise missiles pursuant to the 2002 Moscow Treaty. Perhaps this is the "Cold War-era treaty" mentioned by Shepperd.
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