Fórum Defesa Brasil

a questão não é , penso , riqueza. a questão é gerenciamento de recursos...

estão espremidos entre duas potencias regionais, e amargaram os colonos ingleses por muito tempo, sem contar o paquistão super-agressivo ao lado.

(ps. assisti outro dia os indianos tomando água em um rio ao lado de ratos e sujeira... )

Wolfgang escreveu:Por que à Índia não foi oferecido o F-35? Ou foi mas a Índia recusou?

Resposta:
http://www.defesabrasil.com/forum/viewt ... &start=660

Wolfgang escreveu:Por que à Índia não foi oferecido o F-35? Ou foi mas a Índia recusou?

Nao foi porque uma das exigencias era que o MMRCA fosse produzido na India. E com o F-35 isso nao seria possivel. Pelo menos agora.

Não Santiago, isso é um pormenor, já que se avizinha a montagem do F/A-35 na Turquia, o maior problema é a incapacidade da LM em responder a um RFP agora e nos próximos tempos, é absolutamente natural.

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Obrigado pelas respostas, pessoal! Soul, então a LM não poderá responder o RFP brasileiro, que já se avizinha?

resposta no tópico do F/A-35-

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/mir ... ges-01989/

India’s MMRCA Fighter Competition
11-May-2008 11:35 EDT


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F-35 Joint Stike Fighter (Lockheed-led, multinational). In February 2006, India’s Chief Air Marshal recently specificaly noted that the JSF was not in their plans for this buy, a likelihood that DID’s analysis had noted earlier due to probable lack of availability before 2015. The August 2007 MRCA RFP confirmed this.

If it were flying today, the F-35B STOVL variant would probably be by far the best fit for India’s requirements. The planes would be carrier-capable from all of India’s naval air platforms, including smaller carriers the size of INS Viraat (ex-Hermes) or LHD amphibious assault ships, and could use roads and short field runways on land for maximum operational flexibility. F-35 JSFs would sport ultra-advanced systems that include the AN/APG-81 AESA radar, and incredibly advanced sensor systems and electronics that would make it India’s most capable reconnaissance asset and even a potential electronic warfare aircraft. Other strengths would include greater stealth than any other competitor, which is critical for both air-air dogfights and strikes on defended targets. The Super Hornet may be able to fill the role of an aerial cricket captain, but the JSF is more like Sachin Tendulkar.

India has been invited to F-35 events. With potential US order numbers dropping, India might even be accepted into the program if they pushed for it. The F-35’s killer weakness was timing. Its advanced systems, established industrial partnership structure and program procurement policies could also make it nearly impossible to meet India’s industrial offset rules.

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timing

Santiago escreveu:http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/mir ... ges-01989/

India’s MMRCA Fighter Competition
11-May-2008 11:35 EDT


(...)
F-35 Joint Stike Fighter (Lockheed-led, multinational). In February 2006, India’s Chief Air Marshal recently specificaly noted that the JSF was not in their plans for this buy, a likelihood that DID’s analysis had noted earlier due to probable lack of availability before 2015. The August 2007 MRCA RFP confirmed this.

If it were flying today, the F-35B STOVL variant would probably be by far the best fit for India’s requirements. The planes would be carrier-capable from all of India’s naval air platforms, including smaller carriers the size of INS Viraat (ex-Hermes) or LHD amphibious assault ships, and could use roads and short field runways on land for maximum operational flexibility. F-35 JSFs would sport ultra-advanced systems that include the AN/APG-81 AESA radar, and incredibly advanced sensor systems and electronics that would make it India’s most capable reconnaissance asset and even a potential electronic warfare aircraft. Other strengths would include greater stealth than any other competitor, which is critical for both air-air dogfights and strikes on defended targets. The Super Hornet may be able to fill the role of an aerial cricket captain, but the JSF is more like Sachin Tendulkar.

India has been invited to F-35 events. With potential US order numbers dropping, India might even be accepted into the program if they pushed for it. The F-35’s killer weakness was timing. Its advanced systems, established industrial partnership structure and program procurement policies could also make it nearly impossible to meet India’s industrial offset rules.

(...)

Exactamente o que disse o Soultrain...

Janes apostando suas fichas no Gripen NG?

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Non-Subscriber Extract
Opinion: Gripen hard to beat in Indian MMRCA contest
By Craig Caffrey
05 August 2008


http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/j ... _1_n.shtml

While there is no shortage of fighter aircraft procurement programmes currently under way, the most eagerly anticipated contest is undoubtedly India's medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft.

The six contenders have now submitted their proposals: Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian Aircraft Corporation's (RAC's) MiG with the MiG-35 and the Saab JAS 39 Gripen. Arguably each aircraft stands a fighting chance of securing the lucrative USD10 billion contract.

India continues to have a close relationship with Dassault, which supplied the Indian Air Force (IAF) with Mirage 2000 fighters in the 1980s. However, given the IAF's emphasis on future upgrades for its MMRCA aircraft, the lack of operators of the Rafale is likely to be seen as a significant issue.

The Rafale and the Typhoon could also struggle with the issue of cost. Both are relatively large twin-engined platforms, which will significantly increase operating costs compared with the single-engined MiG-21 fleet it will replace.

The MiG-35 is seen by many as a strong contender. India has a very close relationship with Russia, which has provided the majority of its equipment over the past 30 years. However, over the past year India's relationship with Russia with regards to arms contracts has soured.

The two US contenders seem well placed in terms of price and capability as India seeks to establish closer military bonds with Washington. However the F-16 is hindered by the fact that Pakistan already operates the type. Furthermore the aircraft is already being phased out by the US Air Force.

The Boeing Super Hornetdoes not suffer from these issues. However, one unresolved issue with regards to both US platforms is the authorisation of technology transfer.

Saab holds a strong hand with the Gripen. The aircraft is single engined, which will keep operating costs low, upgrades are already being defined under the Gripen Demonstrator programme and acquisition costs are highly competitive.

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© 2008 Jane's Information Group

Santiago escreveu:Janes apostando suas fichas no Gripen NG?

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Non-Subscriber Extract
Opinion: Gripen hard to beat in Indian MMRCA contest
By Craig Caffrey
05 August 2008


http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/j ... _1_n.shtml

While there is no shortage of fighter aircraft procurement programmes currently under way, the most eagerly anticipated contest is undoubtedly India's medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft.

The six contenders have now submitted their proposals: Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian Aircraft Corporation's (RAC's) MiG with the MiG-35 and the Saab JAS 39 Gripen. Arguably each aircraft stands a fighting chance of securing the lucrative USD10 billion contract.

India continues to have a close relationship with Dassault, which supplied the Indian Air Force (IAF) with Mirage 2000 fighters in the 1980s. However, given the IAF's emphasis on future upgrades for its MMRCA aircraft, the lack of operators of the Rafale is likely to be seen as a significant issue.

The Rafale and the Typhoon could also struggle with the issue of cost. Both are relatively large twin-engined platforms, which will significantly increase operating costs compared with the single-engined MiG-21 fleet it will replace.

The MiG-35 is seen by many as a strong contender. India has a very close relationship with Russia, which has provided the majority of its equipment over the past 30 years. However, over the past year India's relationship with Russia with regards to arms contracts has soured.

The two US contenders seem well placed in terms of price and capability as India seeks to establish closer military bonds with Washington. However the F-16 is hindered by the fact that Pakistan already operates the type. Furthermore the aircraft is already being phased out by the US Air Force.

The Boeing Super Hornetdoes not suffer from these issues. However, one unresolved issue with regards to both US platforms is the authorisation of technology transfer.

Saab holds a strong hand with the Gripen. The aircraft is single engined, which will keep operating costs low, upgrades are already being defined under the Gripen Demonstrator programme and acquisition costs are highly competitive.

325 of 1,196 words
© 2008 Jane's Information Group

À uns tempos atrás a AW através do Bill Sweetman no blog ARES disse praticamente a mesma coisa...

Se a China escolher o NG fica difícil o Brasil dizer não também...

Bolovo escreveu:

Carlos Mathias escreveu:MAs o Brasil é pobre a a Índia é rica prá cacete.

Temos PIB semelhante, gastamos quase o mesmo em Defesa, somos socialmente muito mais evoluídos, mas no quesito guerra eles tem uma grande mãe... a necessidade. Qualquer coisa acontece porque há necessidade. Na Índia é assim. A ultima vez que estiveram em guerra foi em 1999 contra o Paquistão, a ultima de muitas desde a criação do Estado Independente da Índia. Eles têm que manter paridade com as forças paquistanesas e chinesas, pois já entraram em guerra com ambas, e a população deles sabe disso, então apoiam o gasto. Já aqui no Brasil, vivemos na era da paz continental, nosso continente é perfeito, não tem guerra, invasão extraterreste, terremoto e nem furacão (os dois ultimos em controversias). Temos que manter paridade com quem? Bolívia? Argentina? Venezuela? Compra meia dúzia de aviãozinho de ultima geração que tem por aí e boas, acabou o assunto.

Concordo plenamente Bolovo.

enquanto não houver uma real necessidade, a Defesa será relnegada a 2/ plano no Brasil.

Wolfgang escreveu:Se a China escolher o NG fica difícil o Brasil dizer não também...

China????? Não seria India

Ai, caraca, Índia... Valeu, Born!