JAS-39 Gripen

[dafranca]

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Para Saab, batalha dos caças não está perdida

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Military Chief Aims to Update Air Defenses


(Source: Radio Sweden; posted Feb. 29, 2012)




Sverker Göranson, Sweden’s chief of defense, wants to buy new and improved fighter jets for the future but would ultimately reduce the number of aircraft for the Swedish military.

Göranson presented his future defense analysis to parliament today asking for between 60-80 new fighter jets to be procured from 2020 to 2030. Sweden has about 100 fighter jets today.

“We are in the process of building a flexible defense,” he told Swedish Radio News. “If we want an air force after 2020 that is still relevant we need to rebuild it.”

But Göranson could not say how much this would cost. The analysis he presented states the most efficient way is to modify the current fleet of JAS 39 Gripen to better suit future needs.

However, this would only be profitable if one or more countries would be willing to contribute to the development of a new system of planes and supporting technology.

But Allan Wideman, defense spokesman for the Liberal Party, said buying fewer airplanes would demand a lot from the new system.

“He (Göranson) says that it would be a matter of improving the ability. If you compare it to today’s system when we have about 100 planes it is a noticeable reduction,” he told Swedish Radio News.

In fact, Wideman added, reducing the number of planes would require so many updates to today’s Jas Gripen that it would in fact be a completely new aircraft. (ends)


Armed Forces Want to Upgrade Gripen


(Source: Swedish Defence Force; issued February 29, 2012)


(Issued in Swedish only; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)



JAS Gripen will meet the Armed Forces' operational needs at least to 2040, and the system should be the core of the Swedish air defense. Sweden needs at least 60-80 aircraft.

This is the conclusion of the Armed Forces analysis submitted to the government today.

As part of the efforts to develop alternatives and different configurations, the Gripen has been tested in extensive simulations and operational wargames against both known and anticipated future threats.

The upgrade of the combat aircraft system should start in 2020 and is expected to take ten years. A requirement to meet the funding is being made with at least one strategic partner country.

“Discussions will soon begin about costs, so it would be wrong to now openly say how much we estimate it will cost,” says Sverker Goranson, Supreme Commander.

The upgraded JAS 39 Gripen will have a larger airframe and a more powerful engine. This is to allow for more and more fuel arms which in turn leads to higher power and durability.

The analysis also suggested a more qualified and better radar warning and countermeasure systems.

The upgrading of the JAS Gripen is needed to ensure that Sweden’s combat air system should remain operationally relevant, and that our air defenses in the long run are able to hold its own compared to other countries.

During 2011 and so far this year a very extensive planning work has been undertaken, including the upgrade and a review of the defense structure.

With the results of this analysis now on the table, we are now beginning work on computing the Armed Forces' long-term financial needs. The Armed Forces intend to report on this issue no later than May 2.

In a separate proposal to government, the armed forces propose that some logistics functions be handed over to the Defence Materiel Administration (FMV). The activities concerned are essentially purchasing, administrative support, supply and engineering services, and currently employ about 1,500 Armed Forces employees.

The purpose of the transfer is to save money that can then be used for operational activities. The proposals submitted include a joint proposal by the Armed Forces and the Defence Materiel Administration.

Economically, the Armed Forces budget is in balance through 2015, subject to appropriations savings that may be exercised and that the savings associated with the defense structure investigation are effectively achieved.

The planning is based therefore on that 300 million kroner are from the allocation for foreign operations to the allocation for joint fiscal years 2014 and 2015.

-ends-

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -2020.html

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[destacar]atente-se em "modificar a frota ACTUALMENTE EXISTENTE!!!!" ou seja, nada de NG!!!!!??????[/destacar]

[Carlos Lima]

Pois é... pois é...

Todo mundo apertando o cinto.

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CB_Lima

[NovaTO]

A SAAB vai propor(na realidade já deve ter proposto) a produção pura e simples de novos 60 a 80 Gripen E/Fs. E já afirmou que sairá muito mais barato do que retrofitar os Gripen "C/D" para o "E/F".

Como a própria nota evidenciou, essa atualização "só" envolve: Mudanças estruturais(re-arranjo dos trens de pouso, maior capacidade interna de combustível, novas asas, nova entrada de ar); Troca do motor (sai o RM12 entra o GE F414-G), novo radar ES-05, IRST, novo cockpit, novos aviônicos, computadores, sistemas de EW, etc. O que sobraria dos "C/D" ? talvez apenas o assento ejetável.

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[P44]

eu quando leio isto

modify the current fleet of JAS 39 Gripen to better suit future needs.

não leio fabrico de aviões novos, mas sim upgrade de aviões já existentes, assim tipo um MLU...

[NovaTO]

eu quando leio isto

modify the current fleet of JAS 39 Gripen to better suit future needs.

não leio fabrico de aviões novos, mas sim upgrade de aviões já existentes, assim tipo um MLU...

O MS21 será uma modificação maior até do que A/B ->C/D. Se eles quiserem mesmo mais alcance, novo motor, fora todo o recheio trocado, sairá mais barato comprar zeros. Mas é claro, os suecos podem simplesmente, desistir de parte do MS21, no que tange às modificações estruturais da célula e motor. Por outro lado é bom lembrar que com esse MS-21, virá um redução da frota e bases também(redução de custos). Ou seja, menos caças terão que fazer no futuro que 100 ou mais fazem hoje.

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[Carlos Lima]

eu quando leio isto

modify the current fleet of JAS 39 Gripen to better suit future needs.

não leio fabrico de aviões novos, mas sim upgrade de aviões já existentes, assim tipo um MLU...

Pois é...

É o que está escrito.

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CB_Lima

[P44]

um artigo interessante, num jornal sueco

JAS-plane must not lift due to the high-pressure

The high atmospheric pressure at F 21 in Luleå is so strong that the JAS-plane can not fly. Flygchefen doesn't not know whether flights would be allowed in a war situation.

The strong high pressure that is currently located across Sweden stops JAS-plane from lifting from the F 21 in Luleå, where a major air exercise is ongoing. Mats Hakkarainen, flygchef F 21, explains the problem: - It is the internal security checks of the planet that says there is an air pressure higher than the plane is designed for. And in peacetime as it is today, let me not go to plan with error messages. It's about our flight safety. The aircraft could take off, says Mats Hakkarainen, but he does not know whether they would be allowed to do so even if it was real-life situation. - Exactly how I would act if it was war, I can not say.

"wouldn't have flown in Libya"

F 21 in Luleå is one of four airports included in the two-week exercise that is currently underway. On the other locations are air pressure is lower and the plan can lift as usual, but F 21 participating at the moment not. - I talked to meteorologist yesterday afternoon and he thought it would be like this until at least Thursday, said Mats Hakkarainen. - We have been in a weather situation where air pressure is abnormally high. The last time we had this high pressure was in Haparanda, 1972 and before that it was in Kalmar 1907th When the UN Security Council last year approved a no-fly zone over Libya, Sweden contributed a number of JAS-plane. Mats Hakkarainen was one of those who led the operation from a location in northern Italy. He does not believe that it had lifted off the ground if the air pressure which had been as high as it is in Umeå today. - We had not flown since it was not for the war against Sweden. The risk to fly with the error of not considering the work we did there, he says.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.8449 ... hogtrycket

[alcmartin]

Dei uma olhada no google sobre essa noticia. Em um outro forum(que esqueci de copiar ) foi citado que teria sido por prevencao. A alta pressao na ocasiao fazia disparar varios alertas no cockpit, sem especificar quais. Mas o aviao voa.
A pressao relatada foi em torno de 1050 hpa(hectopascais). Para terem uma nocao, a pressao padrao atmosferica e' 1013 hpa. Aqui no Brasil, quando temos uma massa de ar quente predominante, chegamos ate uns 1020. Por outro lado, quando uma frente fria esta vindo forte, fica com uns 1004, 1003. Ali por B.aires, da' para pegar 0996, com os CB's com motor a pleno!!

Interessante o caso.

[knigh7]

Military Chief Aims to Update Air Defenses


(Source: Radio Sweden; posted Feb. 29, 2012)




Sverker Göranson, Sweden’s chief of defense, wants to buy new and improved fighter jets for the future but would ultimately reduce the number of aircraft for the Swedish military.

Göranson presented his future defense analysis to parliament today asking for between 60-80 new fighter jets to be procured from 2020 to 2030. Sweden has about 100 fighter jets today.

“We are in the process of building a flexible defense,” he told Swedish Radio News. “If we want an air force after 2020 that is still relevant we need to rebuild it.”

But Göranson could not say how much this would cost. The analysis he presented states the most efficient way is to modify the current fleet of JAS 39 Gripen to better suit future needs.

However, this would only be profitable if one or more countries would be willing to contribute to the development of a new system of planes and supporting technology.

But Allan Wideman, defense spokesman for the Liberal Party, said buying fewer airplanes would demand a lot from the new system.

“He (Göranson) says that it would be a matter of improving the ability. If you compare it to today’s system when we have about 100 planes it is a noticeable reduction,” he told Swedish Radio News.

In fact, Wideman added, reducing the number of planes would require so many updates to today’s Jas Gripen that it would in fact be a completely new aircraft. (ends)


Armed Forces Want to Upgrade Gripen


(Source: Swedish Defence Force; issued February 29, 2012)


(Issued in Swedish only; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)



JAS Gripen will meet the Armed Forces' operational needs at least to 2040, and the system should be the core of the Swedish air defense. Sweden needs at least 60-80 aircraft.

This is the conclusion of the Armed Forces analysis submitted to the government today.

As part of the efforts to develop alternatives and different configurations, the Gripen has been tested in extensive simulations and operational wargames against both known and anticipated future threats.

The upgrade of the combat aircraft system should start in 2020 and is expected to take ten years. A requirement to meet the funding is being made with at least one strategic partner country.

“Discussions will soon begin about costs, so it would be wrong to now openly say how much we estimate it will cost,” says Sverker Goranson, Supreme Commander.

The upgraded JAS 39 Gripen will have a larger airframe and a more powerful engine.[/size] This is to allow for more and more fuel arms which in turn leads to higher power and durability.

The analysis also suggested a more qualified and better radar warning and countermeasure systems.

The upgrading of the JAS Gripen is needed to ensure that Sweden’s combat air system should remain operationally relevant, and that our air defenses in the long run are able to hold its own compared to other countries.

During 2011 and so far this year a very extensive planning work has been undertaken, including the upgrade and a review of the defense structure.

With the results of this analysis now on the table, we are now beginning work on computing the Armed Forces' long-term financial needs. The Armed Forces intend to report on this issue no later than May 2.

In a separate proposal to government, the armed forces propose that some logistics functions be handed over to the Defence Materiel Administration (FMV). The activities concerned are essentially purchasing, administrative support, supply and engineering services, and currently employ about 1,500 Armed Forces employees.

The purpose of the transfer is to save money that can then be used for operational activities. The proposals submitted include a joint proposal by the Armed Forces and the Defence Materiel Administration.

Economically, the Armed Forces budget is in balance through 2015, subject to appropriations savings that may be exercised and that the savings associated with the defense structure investigation are effectively achieved.

The planning is based therefore on that 300 million kroner are from the allocation for foreign operations to the allocation for joint fiscal years 2014 and 2015.

-ends-

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... -2020.html

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[destacar]atente-se em "modificar a frota ACTUALMENTE EXISTENTE!!!!" ou seja, nada de NG!!!!!??????[/destacar]

Transformá-los para o padrão NG.

[NovaTO]

Mesma notícia, mas com algumas com algumas novidades:

FMV tem 20 alternativas para o upgrade dos Gripen C, que vão depender muito da versão que for exportado. Existe até uma versão que seria Stealth(talvez com as tecnologias que a SAAB aprendeu o desenvolvimento do NeuroN).

Export Businesses determines the Gripen's future in Sweden
By: Lars Anders Karlberg Published February 29, 2012

Supreme Commander, Sverker Göransson want sharper fighter. But how sharp is determined by how good Saab manage to sell the new version of the JAS 39 Gripen in the export market.

Tomorrow, Thursday the Supreme Commander, Sverker Göransson present defense budget documents for the next five years. A large part of the budget bent to the JAS 39 Gripen.

An upgrade of Gripen aircraft from today's NATO Custom C / D version to a new E / F version with more powerful engine, longer range, new radar and more weapons are needed by 2020, according to the Chief.

According to leaks from the Armed Forces, it is about 70 planes to be upgraded to the new E / F version, the one that Switzerland expressed an interest to buy.

That was upgraded with 70 of the Armed Forces 134 Gripen aircraft to the E / F version would cost about 30 billion, according to information leaked to the media.

Two months ago, spread information about Saab on its own initiative, offered the defense with 100 upgrade Gripen aircraft for 32-33 billion.

According to Sydsvenska Dagbladet, the supreme commander in the morning to present several options for the Gripen's development - from the simplest E / F version with a trimmed Volvo engine to a fundamental change which will mean that Gripen can compete with U.S. and Russian fighter aircraft with advanced stealth technology.

FMV has looked at about twenty alternate upgrades where the most potent changes are linked to the Gripen's success in the export market.

1. When Switzerland decide to purchase 22 upgraded E / F aircraft for 22.7 billion kronor to the Swedish armed forces agreed to purchase ten similar plan.

2. If Brazil shows a real interest in Gripen may come with a more radical modernization. If so, plan to stealth technology so as to be invisible on radar.

3. If it becomes necessary for NATO countries to buy the Gripen, it may be time to build on the plan so they can land and take off on aircraft carriers.

FACTS:

204 planes for 130 billion
The Swedish Armed Forces bought 204 planes of the JAS 39 Gripen of Saab since the first orders were in the 1980s. In total it has cost Swedish taxpayers about 130 billion kronor.

The 204 plan was 201 then three planes used for other things. This is distributed as the 201 plan:

JAS 39A: 104 (of which approximately 25 JAS 39A has been rebuilt to 14 JAS 39C/D for Hungary)
JAS 39B: 14
JAS 39C: 69 (including 12 pcs leased by the Czech Republic)
JAS 39D: 14 (of which 2 are leased by the Czech Republic)

In total there are currently 134 aircraft in service in the Swedish Air Force:

JAS 39A: 54 pc
JAS 39B: 12
JAS 39C: 56
JAS 39D: 12

Source: Armed Forces

Fonte: http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... ce&act=url

[P44]

According to Sydsvenska Dagbladet, the supreme commander in the morning to present several options for the Gripen's development - from the simplest E / F version with a trimmed Volvo engine to a fundamental change which will mean that Gripen can compete with U.S. and Russian fighter aircraft with advanced stealth technology.

FMV has looked at about twenty alternate upgrades where the most potent changes are linked to the Gripen's success in the export market.

quer dizer que... admitiram que Gripen NG e E/F são uma incógnita. Que dependem de vendas externas para definir o futuro da soberania da Suécia???!!!!!!

[Carlos Lima]

According to Sydsvenska Dagbladet, the supreme commander in the morning to present several options for the Gripen's development - from the simplest E / F version with a trimmed Volvo engine to a fundamental change which will mean that Gripen can compete with U.S. and Russian fighter aircraft with advanced stealth technology.

FMV has looked at about twenty alternate upgrades where the most potent changes are linked to the Gripen's success in the export market.

quer dizer que... admitiram que Gripen NG e E/F são uma incógnita. Que dependem de vendas externas para definir o futuro da soberania da Suécia???!!!!!!

É bom guardar esse post para futura referência...

Isso sem contar que a tecnologia do Neuron não é exatamente 100% sueca (ou seja, mais autorizações, e até os ingleses ou franceses podem oferecer a mesma coisa).

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CB_Lima

[NovaTO]

According to Sydsvenska Dagbladet, the supreme commander in the morning to present several options for the Gripen's development - from the simplest E / F version with a trimmed Volvo engine to a fundamental change which will mean that Gripen can compete with U.S. and Russian fighter aircraft with advanced stealth technology.

FMV has looked at about twenty alternate upgrades where the most potent changes are linked to the Gripen's success in the export market.

quer dizer que... admitiram que Gripen NG e E/F são uma incógnita. Que dependem de vendas externas para definir o futuro da soberania da Suécia???!!!!!!

Sem dúvidas eles vão definir o que vão ter de acordo com o que for exportado(ou não).

[P44]

Interessante um dos candidatos ao programa FX ser um modelo do qual até os "pais" confirmam que não existe.