Israel atacou instalação nuclear Síria ?

[Moccelin]

Podem ter certeza que NADA ocorrerá com a Venezuela e seu governo 'democrático' (quase igualzinho o nosso)... Imaginem, se houver uma guerra grande aí naquela região quem irá suprir os EUA com petróleo??? A resposta é bem simples... Venezuela... E com isso vão se armar mais ainda... Vai ser mais uma BURRADA do governo norte americano, somando-se à invasão do Iraque...

[zela]

Past experience shows Iran likely to retaliate for Syria incident

On February 16, 1992 Israeli gunships attacked a convoy traveling in south Lebanon that included Hizbullah secretary-general Abbas Musawi, his wife, six-year-old son, and several escorts. All of them were killed in the attack.

The initial plan was to abduct Musawi in the framework of efforts to secure the release of Air Force navigator Ron Arad. However, it quickly became apparent that an abduction operation was impractical. Therefore, then Chief of Staff Ehud Barak decided to assassinate Musawi.

Israel admitted it was behind the attack. Meanwhile, Musawi was quickly succeeded by a young cleric called Hassan Nasrallah.

Iran, who views itself as Hizbullah's patron, could not have seen the IDF's operation as anything but a provocation and challenge. Therefore, so it seems, it decided to escalate matters, likely in consultation with its allies Syria and Hizbullah. On March 17, 1992, several weeks after Musawi's assassination, a serious terror attack targeted Israel's embassy in Argentina. A total of 29 people were killed and more than 240 were wounded.

On May 21, 1994 an IDF force abducted Mustafa Dirani. Based on information available to Israel, he was the last person to hold Ron Arad as a captive in Lebanon, while heading a small terror organization connected to Iran called The Faithful Resistance.

On June 2, 1994, Air Force jets attacked a Hizbullah training camp near the border with Syria. The strike took place while Shiites in major Lebanese cities, including Beirut, held large ceremonies to mark the Ashura holiday. Fifty terrorists reportedly killed in the bombing and dozens were wounded.

Hizbullah's radio stations characterized the strike as "barbaric" and promised "a broad response on all levels."

About two months later, on July 18 1994, a huge explosion devastated the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires. A total of 86 people who were in the building or near it were killed as a result of the explosion and about 240 were wounded. A large part of the building collapsed and other buildings in the vicinity were seriously damaged. In this case too, all signs led to Iran.


Iran's credibility put to the test

We must recall those two incidents as we look into the operational activity undertaken by Israel in Syria last week. The nature of this activity is still shrouded in fog, yet it is clear that Air Force jets penetrated deep into Syrian airspace and executed an offensive act.

This time, in contradiction to past experience, Israel's leadership displayed a more mature and sophisticated approach and refrained from claiming direct responsibility while avoiding enthusiastic statements. Yet it was difficult to hide the signs of glee and satisfaction among Israeli decision-makers. Up until now, Syria chose to refrain from an "appropriate" response to the IDF's operation.

However, I am afraid that amid the "victory celebration" we tend to ignore the possibility of an Iranian response. While Syria may "cave in," sustain the insult, and move on, Iran will find it difficult to conduct itself in a similar manner.

Past experience shows there is a high probability that Iran will not ignore this Israeli operation and will find a way to respond through an act that would not leave any doubt as to those behind it, even if in practice it would refrain from claiming responsibility.

Iran's credibility as Syria's ally has been put to the test. Iranian leaders have made clear their obligation to defend Syria in case of an Israeli attack. Now, Iran will have to act on these declarations so that Tehran's alliance with Syria remains stable. Should Iran refrain from responding, Syria and perhaps Hizbullah as well would realize that Iran is an unreliable ally – Iran will likely do everything in its power so that it is not tainted by such image.


The writer is a senior lecturer at Ben Gurion University and a research fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3450238,00.html

[Morcego]

Eu só sei que o pau vai comer solto naquela região. E olha eu gostaria que Israel tomasse um pau da Síria e do Irã, mas como eu não estou viajando no mar de hellmans, eu sei que será o contrário, e a terra de Davi irá denovo ganhar uma guerra.

Deus está com eles, pois que eles nuncam mandam suas mulheres e filhos se explodirem por aí em Seu nome.

Isso não tem nada a ver com ganhar uma guerra, e Israel também não é nenhum santo, não é porque mataram milhões de Judeus na segunda guerra, é que agora os israelenses irão trucidar o povo da região e depois mandar da conta que tem em haver.

TEM QUE A VER SIM, NÃO VEJO JUDEU COLOCANDO MULHER E CRIANÇA PRA SERVIR DE ESCUDO.

[Morcego]

Podem ter certeza que NADA ocorrerá com a Venezuela e seu governo 'democrático' (quase igualzinho o nosso)... Imaginem, se houver uma guerra grande aí naquela região quem irá suprir os EUA com petróleo??? A resposta é bem simples... Venezuela... E com isso vão se armar mais ainda... Vai ser mais uma BURRADA do governo norte americano, somando-se à invasão do Iraque...

MENOS a NORUEGA é o 3 maior produtor de petróleo e pode suprir de boa esse diferencial, lembremos que os EUA ainda tem reservas petroliferas para pelo menos um ano por la, obviamente, que em um caso destes o PETRÓLEO vai bicar de preço, E QUEM TEM MAIS DINHEIRO PODE COMPRAR MAIS LOGO SOFRE MENOS.

[EDSON]

A Síria está com suas forças armadas bastante ultrapassadas pela capacidade dos israelenses.

Seu país não consegue investir pesado na área de defesa tanto quanto desejaria, já os israelesnses são financiados pelos americanos, com bastante equipamento.

Hoje a Síria em caso de invasão de Israel articularia suas defesas de acordo com a Geografia e defenderia os centros urbanos.

A força aérea de Israel infligeria pesados danos a infraestrutura dos sirios, e estes por sua vez estariam limitados aos scuds, sem muita eficácia.

Apenas um lembrete que os sirios de maneira nehuma deverá enfrentar os israelenses em campo raso. Pois a combinação de armas e capacidade de manobra dos israelenses seria insuperável. E estes por sua vez não deixaria o exército Siro manobrar com eficiência, devido sua superioridade aéra.

[Bolovo]

O Irã não sabe o que está esperando...

[Carlos Mathias]

Os israelenses são mestres na arte da guerra, e por isso mesmo duvido muito que estejam subestimando por um segundo só o Irã.

[Bolovo]

Os israelenses são mestres na arte da guerra, e por isso mesmo duvido muito que estejam subestimando por um segundo só o Irã.

Com certeza.

[rodman]

Syrian envoy: Israel will 'pay price' for IAF action

By Barak Ravid, Avi Issacharoff and Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and News Agencies

In an interview with Newsweek published Friday, Syria's ambassador to Washington Imad Moustapha denied all allegations that Israel Air Force fired on targets in Syrian territory on Thursday last week, adding that Israel would "pay a price" for violating Syria's airspace.

In the Newsweek interview, the ambassador reverted to Syria's initial explanation of the incident, saying its defense systems detected the IAF jets entering its airspace and fired on them, causing them to dump their ammunition and fuel tanks in order to lighten the craft and escape quickly. No structures were damaged in the incident, Moustapha told the magazine.



Moustapha also told the American publication that it was not in Syria's national interests not to respond to Israel's provocation, adding that unsubstantiated reports that Israel targeted some kind of nuclear North Korean-Syrian cooperation project were "absolutely, totally, fundamentally ridiculous and untrue."

"There are no nuclear North Korean-Syrian facilities whatsoever in Syria," Moustapha told Newsweek's reporter.

An American Mideast expert said the alleged IAF strike was directly connected to a shipment Syria received from North Korea three days earlier, the Washington Post reported Saturday.

The expert spoke on condition of anonymity in order to protect his sources, who the report said are comprised of "Israeli participants" in the strike. He said the shipment was labeled as cement, but Israel believed it carried nuclear equipment.

The U.S. daily said the expert believed the IAF strike targeted a facility the Syrians claim serves as an "agricultural research center," but Israel believes is used to extract uranium from phosphates.

The Washington Post also reported that the secrecy of the mission, on which Israel refuses to release details, was extended to those who carried it out. He said that the pilots providing cover for the aircraft that attacked the facility were not given specifics of the mission, and the pilots who actually carried out the strike were only briefed after they were in the air.

While neither side has explained what exactly happened in the early hours of September 6, a number of Israeli and American officials have speculated that the alleged attack was designed to thwart the possible development of Syrian nuclear capabilities.

The Nuclear Threat Initiative, an organization seeking to stop the spread of non-conventional weapons in the world, said that Syria began testing uranium deposits found on its territory in the late 1980s and subsequently began attempting to extract uranium from its vast phosphates reserves. It then constructed an experimental micro-plant in the central Syrian city of Homs with the assistance of the Atomic Energy Commission, to study the process of extracting uranium from phosphoric acid, the organization said.

According to NTI, the micro-plant was designed to form the basis of an industrial-size plant which would supply a nuclear reactor if Syria ever built one.

Saturday's statements come amid a growing number of reports on possible Syrian-North Korean nuclear cooperation. A senior U.S. nuclear official said on Friday that North Koreans were in Syria and that Damascus may have had contacts with secret suppliers to obtain nuclear technology.

"Syria was on the U.S. nuclear watch list," said acting deputy assistant secretary for nuclear nonproliferation policy Andrew Semmel, asserting that foreign technicians were in the country and that there had been possible contacts with suppliers for nuclear equipment.

Semmel didn't name the suppliers, but said that he couldn't exclude that the network run by disgraced Pakistan nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan was possibly involved.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Israel had gathered satellite imagery showing possible North Korean cooperation with Syria on a nuclear facility.

North Korea, which has a long alliance with Syria, condemned the Israeli air incursion. Israeli experts say North Korea and Iran both have been major suppliers of Syria's missile stock.

"There are indicators that they do have something going on there, he said," Semmel said. "We do know that there are a number of foreign technicians that have been in Syria. We do know that there may have been contact between Syria and some secret suppliers for nuclear equipment. Whether anything transpired remains to be seen."

"So good foreign policy, good national security policy, would suggest that we pay very close attention to that," he said. "We're watching very closely. Obviously, the Israelis were watching very closely."

Asked if the suppliers could have been North Koreans, he said: "There are North Korean people there. There's no question about that. Just as there are a lot of North Koreans in Iraq and Iran."

Asked if the so-called Khan network, which supplied nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea, could have been involved, he said he wouldn't exclude it.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack declined to comment on Semmel's remarks but noted that the United States had long-standing concerns about North Korea and nuclear proliferation.

"We've also expressed, over time, our concerns about North Korea's activities in terms of dealing with A.Q. Khan and others around the globe," he told reporters.

McCormack said he was not aware of any specific link between North Korea and Syria.

Ex-U.S. envoy: Iran and Syria are 'safe havens' for N. Korea nuclear activity
The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said North Korea may be using Syria and Iran as "safe havens" for its nuclear activity, and another U.S. official was quoted as saying Damascus may be building a nuclear facility with North Korean assistance.

Bolton recently told Haaretz that United States President George W. Bush warned North Korea last year against transferring nuclear material to Syria, Iran or a terrorist organization, saying such a move would be perceived as a "grave threat."

Bolton, now affiliated with the "American Enterprise Institute" in Washington, served Bush in his first term as Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. In that capacity, as well as later, he clashed with other officials, most notably from CIA, regarding Syria's nuclear plans.

A former Israeli official who would not be named said he had heard the attack had been carried out against a facility capable of producing non-conventional weapons.

In an interview on Fox News on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in response to a question on reports of Syrian nuclear development, that her government is working to prevent "the world's most dangerous people from having the world's most dangerous weapons."

Rice did not refer directly to Syria at any point, but said, "That's why we have a Proliferation Security Initiative that tries to intercept dangerous cargos. So this is something that's been at the highest point of the President's agenda since he came into power and we work every day and we watch it every day and we're vigilant about it and we're determined."

Fox also quoted U.S. sources as saying North Korea had apparently transferred to Syria information, technology and uranium-enrichment equipment.

According to a Washington Post report, a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said recent satellite images gathered over the past six months, mostly by Israeli sources, indicate Syria may be building such a facility.

Access to the information has been heavily restricted to a team headed by security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, leaving many in the intelligence community unaware of the reports' significance, the Post quoted sources as saying.

Reuters reported Wednesday that U.S. officials had confirmed that the IAF strike, but would not discuss the intended targets.

"The strike I can confirm. The target, I can't," said one U.S. official, adding that there had been more than one strike. Another official called reports on the likely targets "confused."

The New York Times said Wednesday that likely targets were weapons caches Israel believed Iran was sending to Hezbollah via Syria, a claim dismissed later in the day by the Syrian ambassador to the United Nations.

"This is blah blah. This is nonsense, this is an unfounded statement. It is not up to the Israelis or anyone else to assess what we have in Syria," said Bashar Ja'afari.

"There was no target, they dropped their munitions. They were running away after they were confronted by our air defense," he added.

The New York Times quoted a Defense Department official as saying the IAF struck at least one target in northeastern Syria, but said it was unclear what the target was and what was the extent of the damage.

Syria said Friday that there would be no military response to the incident. Damascus protested Tuesday to the United Nations about the strike.

Israel has repeatedly declined to comment on the matter, but American television network CNN reported Tuesday that the Israeli government is "very happy with the successful operation."

Senior CNN correspondent Christiane Amanpour, citing Middle Eastern and Washington sources, said aircraft and possibly even ground forces, who may have directed the planes to their target, took part in the operation.

The attack left "a big hole in the desert," the report said. CNN quoted U.S. government and military sources as saying they were "happy to have Israel convey to both Syria and Iran the message that they can get in and out and strike when necessary."

Al-Jaafari said Israel had violated Syrian air space and dropped munitions, but denied that Israel had landed troops inside Syria.

"This is absolutely not true," he said, adding that the reports were an attempt to show that Israel could land troops wherever it wants.

The only countries that have expressed solidarity with Syria are Iran and North Korea. Russia issued a condemnation of sorts.

Report: U.S. says Israel took images of Syria atomic facility

Meanwhile, the New York Times on Wednesday quoted a Bush Administration official as saying Israel had recently photographed possible nuclear installations in Syria.

"The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left," the New York Times quoted the official as saying.

"One Bush administration official said Israel had recently carried out reconnaissance flights over Syria, taking pictures of possible nuclear installations that Israeli officials believed might have been supplied with material from North Korea," the paper wrote.

"The administration official said Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria," the report said.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903774.html

[rodrigo]

Os sírios devem estar muito p... porque não deu tempo de colocar mulheres e crianças juntos com os alvos bombardeados, e assim acusar Israel de genocídio árabe.

[douglas_bc]

Uma coisa é certa, a Estrela de Davi é mestre na arte da guerra.

[Sniper]

Uma coisa é certa, a Estrela de Davi é mestre na arte da guerra.

E outra coisa também é certa: Chutar cachorro morto qualquer um chuta...

[soultrain]

Eu só sei que o pau vai comer solto naquela região. E olha eu gostaria que Israel tomasse um pau da Síria e do Irã, mas como eu não estou viajando no mar de hellmans, eu sei que será o contrário, e a terra de Davi irá denovo ganhar uma guerra.

Deus está com eles, pois que eles nuncam mandam suas mulheres e filhos se explodirem por aí em Seu nome.

Isso não tem nada a ver com ganhar uma guerra, e Israel também não é nenhum santo, não é porque mataram milhões de Judeus na segunda guerra, é que agora os israelenses irão trucidar o povo da região e depois mandar da conta que tem em haver.

TEM QUE A VER SIM, NÃO VEJO JUDEU COLOCANDO MULHER E CRIANÇA PRA SERVIR DE ESCUDO.

Não precisaram chegar a tanto, mas que as Forças Armadas de Israel derivam de grupos terroristas ninguem pode negar, faz parte da História o terrorismo na formação deste país.

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[WalterGaudério]

A Síria está com suas forças armadas bastante ultrapassadas pela capacidade dos israelenses.

Seu país não consegue investir pesado na área de defesa tanto quanto desejaria, já os israelesnses são financiados pelos americanos, com bastante equipamento.

Hoje a Síria em caso de invasão de Israel articularia suas defesas de acordo com a Geografia e defenderia os centros urbanos.

A força aérea de Israel infligeria pesados danos a infraestrutura dos sirios, e estes por sua vez estariam limitados aos scuds, sem muita eficácia.

Apenas um lembrete que os sirios de maneira nehuma deverá enfrentar os israelenses em campo raso. Pois a combinação de armas e capacidade de manobra dos israelenses seria insuperável. E estes por sua vez não deixaria o exército Siro manobrar com eficiência, devido sua superioridade aéra.

Israel pode fazer a síria voltar a idade da pedra (...)

Isso por si só basta.

Um estado que dá suporte a um Hamas não merece misericórdia nem do Diabo.( e muito menos de Allah, óbvio)

Se por acaso a Síria resolver tentar agir deliberadamente colocando (ainda mais) lenha na fogueira então sou partidário que Israel faça um operação terra arrasada na síria, de preferência para chegar até Damasco e apear aquele louco e canalha do Assad.

O pai dele, em que pese ser um ditador, era infinitamente mais moderado e inteligente. A síria estava por cima com os americanos após a 1a. guerra do Golfo, aí o Assad pai morre e o filho recebe um espírito de idel castro, enver hoxha(da Albânia), kim jong Il, e outros malucos ,que tem como esporte, afundar o país no retrocesso totalitarista vermelho...

...naturalmente, tudo em nome do povo.

Então, tem que botar para quebrar, pois avisos não faltam.

sds

walter

[EDSON]

de preferência para chegar até Damasco e apear aquele louco e canalha do Assad.

Isso é outros 500. Tomar uma cidade do tamanho de Damasco , é uma operação bem complicada.