NOTÍCIAS DO RAFALE

[Mapinguari]

Perfeito!

O RFP seria enviado para todos (Eurofighter, Saab, LM, Boeing, Chegdu, etc.) ou apenas para a Sukhoi e Dassault?

Em princípio, todos. Só não tenho certeza quanto aos chineses. Mas todos os outros que você citou, sim.

[Penguin]

[ quote="Mapinguari"]

Perfeito!

O RFP seria enviado para todos (Eurofighter, Saab, LM, Boeing, Chegdu, etc.) ou apenas para a Sukhoi e Dassault?

Em princípio, todos. Só não tenho certeza quanto aos chineses. Mas todos os outros que você citou, sim.[/quote ]

Se houvesse um shortlist de apenas 2 concorrentes (Sukhoi e Dassault), nao haveria necessidade de montar um "circo internacional"...nao?

[PRick]

[ quote="Mapinguari"]

O RFP seria enviado para todos (Eurofighter, Saab, LM, Boeing, Chegdu, etc.) ou apenas para a Sukhoi e Dassault?

Em princípio, todos. Só não tenho certeza quanto aos chineses. Mas todos os outros que você citou, sim.[/quote ]

Se houvesse um shortlist de apenas 2 concorrentes (Sukhoi e Dassault), nao haveria necessidade de montar um "circo internacional"...nao?

Sinceramente,

Todos nós já estamos carecas de saber que não existe um rito, um procedimento legal para as compras de armamento bélico, depois de dispensada a Lei 8.666. Assim, estamos assistindo uma reprise do FX-1, ou seja, o mesmo modo operandi, está se fazendo um convite formal, para que os interessados apresentem propostas, dentro dos requisitos mínimos da FAB.

Se os requisitos mínimos vão ser tais que caças com 16 toneladas e nomoturbinas possam ser ofertados junto com caças de 38 toneladas e biturbinas. Estaremos de novo iguais ao FX-1, aí vamos poder dizer que a FAB continua a mesma, lamentavelmente.

Vou repetir o que falei na época, não existe maneira coerente e objetiva de fazer uma seleção, na qual o Gripen e o SU-35-1 sejam aceitos como concorrentes diretos. Incluir caças de classes distintas apenas denota o quanto é político e subjetivo os critérios adotados. E nada tem haver com a qualidades ou defeitos das referidas plataformas. Mas o simples fato aponta que o comprador não sabe o que quer, ou não tem idéia de suas necessidades.

Como o processo do FX-1, o P-3 e o Helo de Ataque já demonstram, a FAB compra porque está disponível e existem verbas, é o que parece diante de tanta confusão.

Vamos esperar que pelo menos a FAB não escolha 05 finalistas na short-list, caso contrário, não me venham culpar o Governo com um todo.

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[Mapinguari]

Se houvesse um shortlist de apenas 2 concorrentes (Sukhoi e Dassault), nao haveria necessidade de montar um "circo internacional"...nao?

Se a FAB estivesse absolutamente certa de que somente um tipo atende a seus requisitos específicos, já teria se manifestado quanto à sua escolha e estaria discutindo detalhes como prazo de entrega e condições de pagamento.
Na verdade, ela tem requisitos que TODOS os concorrentes cumprem e, por isso, emitindo cartas-convite solicitando propostas (RFP) a todos os fabricantes interessados, ela tem mais margem para negociar, mesmo que já tenha, internamente, decidido qual a aeronave deseja.

[Penguin]

French Pilots Land Aboard Truman
US Navy | May 27, 2008

USS HARRY S. TRUMAN: USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) cooperated with the French Navy May 21, as French pilots landed on the flight deck to work on their carrier qualifications.

"It's a wonderful opportunity for us because it's a refresher for the pilot and also proved the compatibility of the French planes and the U.S. carriers," said French Navy Capt. Patrick Zimmermann, the commander of the French air group attached to the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier FS Charles de Gaulle (R 91).

France's navy has worked with the U.S. to practice the coordination of joint maritime security operations during the last six years, and this is the first time a French plane has landed on Truman.

"In 2002 during the beginning of the Afghanistan conflict when we were with the war group of the Stennis [USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74)], we did some cross decks with E-2s," Zimmermann said. "Last year was the first time we experienced some traps on the Enterprise [USS Enterprise (CVN 65)] in July 2007 with the Rafale. The Rafale is a swing barrel airplane like the F-18… [performing the functions of] fighter, attack and air defense."

During the exercise, French pilots accumulated six traps with two Rafales and one E-2C making two traps each. A third Rafale made 13 touch-and-go landings to test how well French planes could handle the stresses of landing on Truman's flight deck, explained Zimmermann.

"What they were doing was trying to test the impact of our carrier on their type of aircraft such as the landing gear and different stresses on the aircraft," said Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Shulman, one of the ship's carrier air group landing signal operators. "That way, they can take a look at when they operate with us this summer, how it's going to affect their aircraft."

With the Charles de Gaulle currently in the ship yards in Toulon, France, Zimmermann noted this is the first time his pilots have conducted carrier landings in almost a year.

Shulman and Lt. Cmdr. Greg Provencher, also a carrier air group landing signal operator, traveled to Landivisiau, a French naval air base, in Brittany, France. There, they observed the capabilities of the French E-2Cs and Rafales to ensure they would be able to successfully land on Truman.

"We went up there primarily to watch their planes land," Sulman said. "One of the prerequisites of them coming out here, was that we'd get a chance to go out there and see what the performance of their aircraft was.

"They brought their guys aboard, and everyone met their counterpart. The French shooters were talking to the American shooters and everyone worked together," said Shulman. "If you looked at this evolution a couple weeks or a month ago, you'd have thought it would be more difficult than it actually was; but, it wasn't difficult because there was a lot of planning."

In July, the French air group is scheduled to conduct flight operations during a joint task force exercise with USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) and Carrier Strike Group 8, explained Zimmermann.

[soultrain]

The Navy has (already) placed nine Rafales ‘in storage’

23/05/2008

The information, revealed by our excellent fellow-members Air Fan and Air and Cosmos, appears striking. The Aeronavale has indeed just placed nine of its Rafale aircraft ‘in storage’, confirmed to us by l'état-major de la Marine (the naval staff). It is said that they are de facto withdrawn from service.

These aircraft were perceived as very modern and very expensive at the beginning of the year 2000 and flotilla 12 F has been operational on this type for less than four years, since June 25, 2004 to be exact. Placing an aircraft in storage clearly means that one does not really need it for the moment. It’s funny that whereas the staffs worry about the cuts to come in the programs d' armament…

The Navy however have a good reason to act this way. The nine Rafales in question are the first machines of the series, of the F1 standard, with which l' Naval Aviation “wiped the plasters” (essuyé les plâtres – I’m sure someone can translate!). The more recently delivered aircraft are to the F2 standard. On the outside, the aircraft is almost identical, but "systems architectures are radically different" explained a specialist. F1 has certain air-to-air capabilities, whereas F2 has quite higher capabilities, in particular for air-to-ground attacks. The F3 standard, even more complete, is awaited from 2009.

The piloting and the maintenance of F1 and F2 are different. However, good management …. (my French isn’t up to this!) means that there will be 14 aircraft on line, all of one model.

At Landivisiau (Finistere) where the decision has been taken to store the Rafale F1s "for long a time" the aircraft will be housed in hangarettes (shelters) equipped with air-dryers. These planes will then be modernized and upgraded directly to the F3 standard.

Flotilla 12 F, the only unit of the Navy equipped with Rafale, today has twelve aircraft (including one deployed for tests at Mount-de-Marsan) and will have sixteen of them in the summer, not counting the nine stored.

[soultrain]

do key publishing:

And an article on EA&A (Hellenic Defense & Security) claims the RAFALEs actually performed very well.

To quote the article:
"According to the French aviators, the French fighter dominated the air combat. Initially it was reported that in the first missions the capabilities of the MICA missiles were underestimated by the oppossing team (meaning the Greek aviators flying F16's). Though both sides managed to perform succesful "hits" to their opponent".
"...Greek aviators were characterized by their French counterparts as very vicious in the air..."

Availability during the 18 sorties for the RAFALE was in the range of 90%.
Greek aviators were impressed with the situation awareness of the French fighters, as well as the SPECTRA and it's use along with operationla tactics in the French fighter doctrine of operation.

[Tigershark]

Hummm.......

[Jacobs]

"...Greek aviators were characterized by their French counterparts as very vicious in the air..."

Isso quer dizer que os gregos eram muito agressivos nos combates. Será que eles não subestimaram os franceses?

[Carlos Mathias]

both sides managed to perform succesful "hits" to their opponent".

O velho F-16C/B52, sem AESA e nem PESA dando couro nos Rafalecos. Mas e aqueles 0,001m2 de RCS, cancelamento ativo, SPECTRA que tudo vê...

[Wolfgang]

Quem programou o Spectra foi o Frank Dux, do Grande Dragão Branco. Ele sabe que algo se aproxima, avisa, mas acaba tomando a porrada.

[Immortal Horgh]

Tipo mulher de malandro, que gosta de apanhar?


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[Carlos Mathias]

Karáleo, to rindo muito dessa aí!

[Tigershark]

Quem programou o Spectra foi o Frank Dux, do Grande Dragão Branco. Ele sabe que algo se aproxima, avisa, mas acaba tomando a porrada.

[Immortal Horgh]

Eu prometo que nos próximos 100 ............ não mais falarei mal do Rafale e nem da França.


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