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Grande coisa, até EU uso...QUANDO CONVÉM! 
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Sleepy Joe acordou Trump...
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Sleepy Joe has awaken Woke Trump...
Mas não tem jeito, it's KILLARY OR NOTHING!
Mas não tem jeito, it's KILLARY OR NOTHING!
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Esse mundo dá voltas...
Uma vacina chinesa para um virus chinês
Trump diz estar disposto a trabalhar com a China por vacina contra Covid-19
Reuters
21 de julho de 2020 às 21:32
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/internacio ... a-covid-19
Uma vacina chinesa para um virus chinês
Trump diz estar disposto a trabalhar com a China por vacina contra Covid-19
Reuters
21 de julho de 2020 às 21:32
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/internacio ... a-covid-19
O presidente dos Estados Unidos, Donald Trump, expressou nesta terça-feira (21) estar disposto a trabalhar com a China ou quaisquer outras nações para trazer uma vacina bem-sucedida contra a Covid-19 aos EUA, apesar das tensões crescentes entre Pequim e Washington.
Há tempos, Trump tem culpado a China por conduzir mal a pandemia do novo coronavírus, que se originou na cidade de Wuhan e avançou pelos Estados Unidos, matando mais de 140 mil americanos e apressando a corrida por uma vacina viável.
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Pensava que era Chinês, hoje tenho cada vez mais dúvidas...
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Irlanda dispensa de quarentena 13 países, Portugal fora da lista
O governo de Dublin publicou, esta quarta-feira, uma "lista verde" de 13 países cujos viajantes estão isentos de cumprir a quarentena ao chegar à Irlanda e que exclui países como Portugal, Espanha, França e o vizinho Reino Unido.
Fora da lista da Irlanda ficou igualmente os Estados Unidos, cujos visitantes devem continuar a restringir os movimentos ao chegar a qualquer porto ou aeroporto da ilha com um período de autoisolamento de 14 dias.
A lista é composta por 13 países europeus e dois territórios (Gibraltar e Gronelândia), que possuem um número de casos de coronavírus por 100 mil habitantes igual ou menor do que a Irlanda: Malta, Finlândia, Noruega, Itália, Hungria, Estónia, Letónia, Lituânia, Chipre, Eslováquia, Grécia, Mónaco e São Marinho.
O governo irlandês divulgou a decisão durante a madrugada depois de uma longa reunião que começou na terça-feira à noite e que mostrou divisões internas entre os ministros que integram os dois grandes partidos irlandeses: o centrista Fianna Fáil e o democrata cristão Fine Gael, e os verdes.
Alguns ministros consideravam que a nova medida pode provocar mensagens confusas aos cidadãos porque a posição oficial do governo corresponde às determinações da Equipa Pública de Emergências de Saúde Pública (NPHET). O organismo continua a defender que não se devem fazer deslocações ao estrangeiro, seja qual for o destino.
"Se a recomendação sobre viagens para países incluídos na 'lista verde' não é diferente da dos outros países (sobre deslocações), então seria melhor que não houvesse uma 'lista verde'", alertou o vice-primeiro ministro e ex-chefe do governo, o democrata-cristão Leo Varadkar.
Mesmo assim, o executivo de Dublin, após a publicação da lista, divulgou um comunicado a referir que "as recomendações sobre a saúde pública continuam a ser as mesmas" já que a pandemia "não acabou" acrescentando que "o mais seguro é não viajar".
Dublin indicou que vai rever a situação e a composição da "lista verde" dentro de duas semanas.
Os números oficiais mostram que não se registaram óbitos por covid-19 nas últimas 24 horas naquele país.
O número de mortos pela doença na República da Irlanda é 1753 tendo-se detetado 36 novos contágios desde terça-feira. O número total de casos de covid-19 no país é de 25.802.
As autoridades sanitárias de Dublin alertaram que se verifica um aumento do "índice de reprodução do vírus" e o "aumento da incidência da doença entre os mais jovens", uma situação que pode causar até 170 novos casos nas próximas semanas.
https://www.jn.pt/mundo/irlanda-dispens ... 52602.html
O governo de Dublin publicou, esta quarta-feira, uma "lista verde" de 13 países cujos viajantes estão isentos de cumprir a quarentena ao chegar à Irlanda e que exclui países como Portugal, Espanha, França e o vizinho Reino Unido.
Fora da lista da Irlanda ficou igualmente os Estados Unidos, cujos visitantes devem continuar a restringir os movimentos ao chegar a qualquer porto ou aeroporto da ilha com um período de autoisolamento de 14 dias.
A lista é composta por 13 países europeus e dois territórios (Gibraltar e Gronelândia), que possuem um número de casos de coronavírus por 100 mil habitantes igual ou menor do que a Irlanda: Malta, Finlândia, Noruega, Itália, Hungria, Estónia, Letónia, Lituânia, Chipre, Eslováquia, Grécia, Mónaco e São Marinho.
O governo irlandês divulgou a decisão durante a madrugada depois de uma longa reunião que começou na terça-feira à noite e que mostrou divisões internas entre os ministros que integram os dois grandes partidos irlandeses: o centrista Fianna Fáil e o democrata cristão Fine Gael, e os verdes.
Alguns ministros consideravam que a nova medida pode provocar mensagens confusas aos cidadãos porque a posição oficial do governo corresponde às determinações da Equipa Pública de Emergências de Saúde Pública (NPHET). O organismo continua a defender que não se devem fazer deslocações ao estrangeiro, seja qual for o destino.
"Se a recomendação sobre viagens para países incluídos na 'lista verde' não é diferente da dos outros países (sobre deslocações), então seria melhor que não houvesse uma 'lista verde'", alertou o vice-primeiro ministro e ex-chefe do governo, o democrata-cristão Leo Varadkar.
Mesmo assim, o executivo de Dublin, após a publicação da lista, divulgou um comunicado a referir que "as recomendações sobre a saúde pública continuam a ser as mesmas" já que a pandemia "não acabou" acrescentando que "o mais seguro é não viajar".
Dublin indicou que vai rever a situação e a composição da "lista verde" dentro de duas semanas.
Os números oficiais mostram que não se registaram óbitos por covid-19 nas últimas 24 horas naquele país.
O número de mortos pela doença na República da Irlanda é 1753 tendo-se detetado 36 novos contágios desde terça-feira. O número total de casos de covid-19 no país é de 25.802.
As autoridades sanitárias de Dublin alertaram que se verifica um aumento do "índice de reprodução do vírus" e o "aumento da incidência da doença entre os mais jovens", uma situação que pode causar até 170 novos casos nas próximas semanas.
https://www.jn.pt/mundo/irlanda-dispens ... 52602.html
*Turn on the news and eat their lies*
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495421-inflate ... ity-rates/
"This means that someone could have tested positive in March, with no symptoms of Covid at all, and who then died in July, would be recorded in the official figures, as having died of Covid-related causes. Even if they were hit by a bus."
"By Malcolm Kendrick, doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England. His blog can be read here and his book, 'Doctoring Data – How to Sort Out Medical Advice from Medical Nonsense,' is available here.
This week we were told that, in the UK at least, anyone who has had a positive Covid test and who then died – from any illness – would be recorded as a coronavirus-related death. No matter when they die.
This means that someone could have tested positive in March, with no symptoms of Covid at all, and who then died in July, would be recorded in the official figures, as having died of Covid-related causes. Even if they were hit by a bus.
Even more weird is the fact that there does not seem to be any time limit to this. So, you could test positive in March 2020, then die in March 2040, and still be recorded as having died of Covid. I doubt this will happen, but it could.
To be honest, I have known something very strange has been going on with the UK data for some time. The UK has not provided any figures on how many people have recovered from Covid-19. In almost all countries, figures are provided on the total number of cases, the total number of deaths, the number of active cases and the number who have recovered.
In the US for example, there have been almost four million cases, over 140,000 deaths and over a million people have officially recovered. In the UK, there have been nearly 300,000 cases, 45,000 deaths – and no recorded recoveries.
In short, in the UK, you cannot ever recover from Covid. Once you’ve got it, that’s it, you’ve got it. This anomaly has been reported-on before. Here, for instance, from The Guardian in June.
READ MORE
Covid-19 vaccine ‘may never’ be found, warns UK Vaccine Taskforce chiefCovid-19 vaccine ‘may never’ be found, warns UK Vaccine Taskforce chief
‘Britain is an outlier internationally in not reporting the number of people who have recovered from Covid-19 alongside statistics on deaths and numbers of identified cases.’
Why would anyone want to do this? You would think the Government would be pulling out all the stops to decrease the number of recorded Covid deaths. Especially as the UK is sitting in a pretty dismal place on the international comparison charts. Why deliberately inflate your figures?
However, it is not just the UK that is hyping up Covid deaths. A reader of my blog sent me an analysis of the WHO advice on death certification, which seems accurate. In his analysis:
1. If you die of anything and they suspect you might have it, with no tests and perhaps just because everyone else is assumed to have it, then covid-19 goes on the death certificate as the primary cause of death. Broadly speaking... unless the patient dies of something that is sudden and cannot be a long-term comorbidity.
2. If you have the same symptoms as flu or pneumonia you must be put down as Covid-19 and not as due to an influenza-type illness.
3. Any certificates that are in any way erroneous with regard to the above must be recoded to conform.
4. Any Covid-19 codes that are wrong should not be fixed in any circumstances
To me it looks like a recipe for a systematic over inflation of death counts, designed to disallow or circumvent clinical judgement.
In the US Dr Scott Jensen, a physician and a member of the Minnesota senate, has been notified by the board of medical practice in Minnesota that he is being investigated for public statements he has made.
Essentially, he is being accused of spreading misinformation about the completion of death certificates, and the overestimation of deaths from Covid-19. Also, that he has been comparing Covid-19 to influenza, in terms of how serious it is. This is considered ‘reckless advice.’
For pointing out the over-reporting of Covid-19 deaths and daring to claim that Covid-19 is no worse than a bad flu season, he could be struck off the medical register.
So, it seems that around the world the same things are being seen. A seemingly coordinated attempt to vastly overinflate the number of deaths caused by Covid-19, and to drive home how deadly it is.
For example, a few days ago, a new story hit the headlines in the UK, warning of hundreds of thousands of deaths this winter.
‘The UK could see about 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter, scientists say.
Asked to model a “reasonable” worst-case scenario, they suggest a range between 24,500 and 251,000 of virus-related deaths in hospitals alone, peaking in January and February.’
Where did this come from? It was a model, using exactly the same assumptions as that created by Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London in March. The one that warned of 500,000 deaths in the UK. Only out by a factor of ten. Probably far more, because many of the deaths recorded as due to Covid have been, simply, wrong."
"This means that someone could have tested positive in March, with no symptoms of Covid at all, and who then died in July, would be recorded in the official figures, as having died of Covid-related causes. Even if they were hit by a bus."
"By Malcolm Kendrick, doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England. His blog can be read here and his book, 'Doctoring Data – How to Sort Out Medical Advice from Medical Nonsense,' is available here.
This week we were told that, in the UK at least, anyone who has had a positive Covid test and who then died – from any illness – would be recorded as a coronavirus-related death. No matter when they die.
This means that someone could have tested positive in March, with no symptoms of Covid at all, and who then died in July, would be recorded in the official figures, as having died of Covid-related causes. Even if they were hit by a bus.
Even more weird is the fact that there does not seem to be any time limit to this. So, you could test positive in March 2020, then die in March 2040, and still be recorded as having died of Covid. I doubt this will happen, but it could.
To be honest, I have known something very strange has been going on with the UK data for some time. The UK has not provided any figures on how many people have recovered from Covid-19. In almost all countries, figures are provided on the total number of cases, the total number of deaths, the number of active cases and the number who have recovered.
In the US for example, there have been almost four million cases, over 140,000 deaths and over a million people have officially recovered. In the UK, there have been nearly 300,000 cases, 45,000 deaths – and no recorded recoveries.
In short, in the UK, you cannot ever recover from Covid. Once you’ve got it, that’s it, you’ve got it. This anomaly has been reported-on before. Here, for instance, from The Guardian in June.
READ MORE
Covid-19 vaccine ‘may never’ be found, warns UK Vaccine Taskforce chiefCovid-19 vaccine ‘may never’ be found, warns UK Vaccine Taskforce chief
‘Britain is an outlier internationally in not reporting the number of people who have recovered from Covid-19 alongside statistics on deaths and numbers of identified cases.’
Why would anyone want to do this? You would think the Government would be pulling out all the stops to decrease the number of recorded Covid deaths. Especially as the UK is sitting in a pretty dismal place on the international comparison charts. Why deliberately inflate your figures?
However, it is not just the UK that is hyping up Covid deaths. A reader of my blog sent me an analysis of the WHO advice on death certification, which seems accurate. In his analysis:
1. If you die of anything and they suspect you might have it, with no tests and perhaps just because everyone else is assumed to have it, then covid-19 goes on the death certificate as the primary cause of death. Broadly speaking... unless the patient dies of something that is sudden and cannot be a long-term comorbidity.
2. If you have the same symptoms as flu or pneumonia you must be put down as Covid-19 and not as due to an influenza-type illness.
3. Any certificates that are in any way erroneous with regard to the above must be recoded to conform.
4. Any Covid-19 codes that are wrong should not be fixed in any circumstances
To me it looks like a recipe for a systematic over inflation of death counts, designed to disallow or circumvent clinical judgement.
In the US Dr Scott Jensen, a physician and a member of the Minnesota senate, has been notified by the board of medical practice in Minnesota that he is being investigated for public statements he has made.
Essentially, he is being accused of spreading misinformation about the completion of death certificates, and the overestimation of deaths from Covid-19. Also, that he has been comparing Covid-19 to influenza, in terms of how serious it is. This is considered ‘reckless advice.’
For pointing out the over-reporting of Covid-19 deaths and daring to claim that Covid-19 is no worse than a bad flu season, he could be struck off the medical register.
So, it seems that around the world the same things are being seen. A seemingly coordinated attempt to vastly overinflate the number of deaths caused by Covid-19, and to drive home how deadly it is.
For example, a few days ago, a new story hit the headlines in the UK, warning of hundreds of thousands of deaths this winter.
‘The UK could see about 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter, scientists say.
Asked to model a “reasonable” worst-case scenario, they suggest a range between 24,500 and 251,000 of virus-related deaths in hospitals alone, peaking in January and February.’
Where did this come from? It was a model, using exactly the same assumptions as that created by Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College London in March. The one that warned of 500,000 deaths in the UK. Only out by a factor of ten. Probably far more, because many of the deaths recorded as due to Covid have been, simply, wrong."
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Sempre e inevitavelmente, cada um de nós subestima o número de indivíduos estúpidos que circulam pelo mundo.
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"Cloth face covering DOES NOT prevent the wearer from getting sick, but
MAY prevent the spread of the virus from the wearer to others."
Again, I rest my case.
MAY prevent the spread of the virus from the wearer to others."
Again, I rest my case.
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Onde já se viu uma "gripezinha" colocar a USAF no chão?!
Testes positivos para COVID-19 cancelam apresentação dos Thunderbirds no Wyoming
https://www.aereo.jor.br/2020/07/17/tes ... o-wyoming/
Testes positivos para COVID-19 cancelam apresentação dos Thunderbirds no Wyoming
https://www.aereo.jor.br/2020/07/17/tes ... o-wyoming/
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Estão colocando em prática os ensinamentos de JesusTúlio escreveu: Qua Jul 22, 2020 1:40 pm"Cloth face covering DOES NOT prevent the wearer from getting sick, but
MAY prevent the spread of the virus from the wearer to others."
Again, I rest my case.
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Levaram ao extremo, penso: de "amai ao próximo como a ti mesmo" foram direto para "amai ao próximo MAIS DO QUE a ti mesmo".
Jesus curtiu este post (mas o "joinha" dele é invisível a meros mortais, só MING, O IMPIEDOSO pode ver
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Jesus curtiu este post (mas o "joinha" dele é invisível a meros mortais, só MING, O IMPIEDOSO pode ver
).“Look at these people. Wandering around with absolutely no idea what's about to happen.”
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Cada vez mais me convenço que isto já passou a ser uma tentativa de controlo social pelo medo... Leiam o artigo da RT acima
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Tá mais do que na cara, digo isso faz tempo.P44 escreveu: Qua Jul 22, 2020 2:07 pm Cada vez mais me convenço que isto já passou a ser uma tentativa de controlo social pelo medo... Leiam o artigo da RT acima
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