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Esse encalhado vende, viu? Contrato de 36 Rafales assinado na Índia!
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ct-429646/
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Vishnu Som, jornalista indiano especializado em defesa da NDTV escreveu detalhes do contrato em seu twitter:
1. The Rafale being acquired by India is in many ways more advanced than what the French operate.
2. India acquiring 28 single seat and 8 twin seat Rafales.
3. Contractual penalties if the Rafale doesn't have an availability rate of greater than 75%.
4. Single seat fighter basic cost is 91.07 Euros per piece. Twin seat variant at 94 million Euros.
5. Overall cost of the deal is 7.87 billion Euros or approximately Rs.58,000 crores.
6. There is nothing in the Inter-governmental agreement that prevents the use of these aircraft in a strategic, read nuclear, role.
7. Logistics and spares (Industrial) support from France can be negotiated for a period of 50 years.
8. GOI projects 3 billion Euros in export of Rafale components from India once offset provisions of the deal are realised.
9. With SCALP air-ground missiles, Meteor air to air missiles, the Rafale will be once of the most well-armed fighters in the world.
10, Rafale project has been defined by India-specific enhancements - more powerful engines, cold engine start capability in Leh.
11. Radar Warning Receivers, low band jammers, 10 hour flight data recorder recording, Infra-red search and tracking...
12. Missile approach warning systems, Helmet Mounted sights, and VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, towed decoy systems are part of deal.
13. Very Important: There is NO CLAUSE for additional aircraft as part of this deal. 36 jets is final unless fresh negotiations happen.
14. The Rafale wil have 1 1/2 times greater loitering capability than the Su-30 and has significantly greater range.
15. 60 hours of additional warranty for Rafale aircraft used for training.
16. Advanced training for 3 IAF pilots, 1 engineer and 6 technicians by French Air Force.
1. The Rafale being acquired by India is in many ways more advanced than what the French operate.
2. India acquiring 28 single seat and 8 twin seat Rafales.
3. Contractual penalties if the Rafale doesn't have an availability rate of greater than 75%.
4. Single seat fighter basic cost is 91.07 Euros per piece. Twin seat variant at 94 million Euros.
5. Overall cost of the deal is 7.87 billion Euros or approximately Rs.58,000 crores.
6. There is nothing in the Inter-governmental agreement that prevents the use of these aircraft in a strategic, read nuclear, role.
7. Logistics and spares (Industrial) support from France can be negotiated for a period of 50 years.
8. GOI projects 3 billion Euros in export of Rafale components from India once offset provisions of the deal are realised.
9. With SCALP air-ground missiles, Meteor air to air missiles, the Rafale will be once of the most well-armed fighters in the world.
10, Rafale project has been defined by India-specific enhancements - more powerful engines, cold engine start capability in Leh.
11. Radar Warning Receivers, low band jammers, 10 hour flight data recorder recording, Infra-red search and tracking...
12. Missile approach warning systems, Helmet Mounted sights, and VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, towed decoy systems are part of deal.
13. Very Important: There is NO CLAUSE for additional aircraft as part of this deal. 36 jets is final unless fresh negotiations happen.
14. The Rafale wil have 1 1/2 times greater loitering capability than the Su-30 and has significantly greater range.
15. 60 hours of additional warranty for Rafale aircraft used for training.
16. Advanced training for 3 IAF pilots, 1 engineer and 6 technicians by French Air Force.
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Exemplo de avanço de projeto. Um caça médio da classe de 10 toneladas com uma autonomia significativamente maior que um caça pesado.14. The Rafale wil have 1 1/2 times greater loitering capability than the Su-30 and has significantly greater range.
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India and France sign Rafale fighter jet deal
23 September 2016
From the section India
India has signed a formal agreement with France to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets for $8.7bn (7.8bn euros; £6.7bn), in a major defence deal.
Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian signed the agreement in Delhi on Friday.
PM Narendra Modi had announced the purchase in January.
India is looking to modernise its Soviet-era military and the deal is the result of years of negotiation.
"You can only ever be completely sure once [the deal] has been signed and that's what happened today," Mr Le Drian told AFP news agency after Friday's signing ceremony.
The first Rafales are expected to be delivered by 2019 and India is set to have all 36 jets within six years.
Friday's deal is a substantial reduction from the 126 planes that India originally planned to buy, but is still the biggest-ever foreign order of Rafale fighters, AFP says.
French President Francois Hollande has hailed it as "a mark of the recognition by a major military power of the operational performance, the technical quality and the competitiveness of the French aviation industry".
The deal was first mooted in 2012 but faced major delays and obstacles over terms and conditions.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37448631
23 September 2016
From the section India
India has signed a formal agreement with France to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets for $8.7bn (7.8bn euros; £6.7bn), in a major defence deal.
Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian signed the agreement in Delhi on Friday.
PM Narendra Modi had announced the purchase in January.
India is looking to modernise its Soviet-era military and the deal is the result of years of negotiation.
"You can only ever be completely sure once [the deal] has been signed and that's what happened today," Mr Le Drian told AFP news agency after Friday's signing ceremony.
The first Rafales are expected to be delivered by 2019 and India is set to have all 36 jets within six years.
Friday's deal is a substantial reduction from the 126 planes that India originally planned to buy, but is still the biggest-ever foreign order of Rafale fighters, AFP says.
French President Francois Hollande has hailed it as "a mark of the recognition by a major military power of the operational performance, the technical quality and the competitiveness of the French aviation industry".
The deal was first mooted in 2012 but faced major delays and obstacles over terms and conditions.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37448631
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US$ 8,7 bilhões de custo total, sai a US$ 241 milhões cada aparelho.
Os nossos Gripen custarão US$ 5,4 bilhões, sendo então US$ 150 milhões por aparelho.
Simplificando: 36 Rafale = 58 Gripen.
É caro, muito caro.
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Os nossos Gripen custarão US$ 5,4 bilhões, sendo então US$ 150 milhões por aparelho.
Simplificando: 36 Rafale = 58 Gripen.
É caro, muito caro.
Abraços
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India finally signs deal with France for 36 Rafale fighters
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 September 2016
India signed an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with France on 23 September in New Delhi for the purchase of 36 Dassault Rafale fighters in flyaway condition for EUR7.9 billion (USD8.82 billion).
Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Yves Le Drian, signed the aircraft deal for the Indian Air Force (IAF) 17 months after the procurement was announced in Paris in April 2015. The IGA includes the option for 18 supplementary fighters at the same price, taking a flat 3.5% inflation rate into account.
Officials said India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) would pay 15% of the sum in advance to French aircraft manufacturer Dassault, which will begin deliveries of the fighters in 36 months and complete them in 66 months.
The MoD, however, has yet to sign the final contract with Dassault, which is responsible for offsetting 50% of the overall contract value in India through co-operation with the country's military-industrial sector.
The offsets under negotiation are expected to be split 30:20 between domestic aeronautics programmes and the licenced manufacture of Rafale-related components.
Officials said the Rafale deal includes EUR3.4 billion for the platforms and EUR710 million for the weapons package, which comprises MBDA's MICA and Meteor air-to-air missiles with strike ranges of 70 km and 150 km, respectively, and the Storm Shadow/SCALP stand-off attack missile, which has a 250-300 km range.
India is to pay EUR1.7 billion for customising the 36 Rafales to meet 14 IAF requirements, including the integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, as well as indigenously designed missiles and electronic warfare, datalink, and identification friend-or-foe systems.
The fighters will also be customised for SPICE bomb-guidance and range-extension kits, which the IAF plans to acquire from Israel's Rafael, IAF sources told IHS Jane's .
Aircraft spares, hangars, and two maintenance, repair, and overhaul facilities in eastern and northern India are set to cost EUR1.8 billion, while the performance-based logistics (PBL) deal for the fighters is priced at EUR353 million.
http://www.janes.com/article/64054/indi ... e-fighters
Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 September 2016
India signed an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with France on 23 September in New Delhi for the purchase of 36 Dassault Rafale fighters in flyaway condition for EUR7.9 billion (USD8.82 billion).
Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Yves Le Drian, signed the aircraft deal for the Indian Air Force (IAF) 17 months after the procurement was announced in Paris in April 2015. The IGA includes the option for 18 supplementary fighters at the same price, taking a flat 3.5% inflation rate into account.
Officials said India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) would pay 15% of the sum in advance to French aircraft manufacturer Dassault, which will begin deliveries of the fighters in 36 months and complete them in 66 months.
The MoD, however, has yet to sign the final contract with Dassault, which is responsible for offsetting 50% of the overall contract value in India through co-operation with the country's military-industrial sector.
The offsets under negotiation are expected to be split 30:20 between domestic aeronautics programmes and the licenced manufacture of Rafale-related components.
Officials said the Rafale deal includes EUR3.4 billion for the platforms and EUR710 million for the weapons package, which comprises MBDA's MICA and Meteor air-to-air missiles with strike ranges of 70 km and 150 km, respectively, and the Storm Shadow/SCALP stand-off attack missile, which has a 250-300 km range.
India is to pay EUR1.7 billion for customising the 36 Rafales to meet 14 IAF requirements, including the integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, as well as indigenously designed missiles and electronic warfare, datalink, and identification friend-or-foe systems.
The fighters will also be customised for SPICE bomb-guidance and range-extension kits, which the IAF plans to acquire from Israel's Rafael, IAF sources told IHS Jane's .
Aircraft spares, hangars, and two maintenance, repair, and overhaul facilities in eastern and northern India are set to cost EUR1.8 billion, while the performance-based logistics (PBL) deal for the fighters is priced at EUR353 million.
http://www.janes.com/article/64054/indi ... e-fighters
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Mas para fazer essa comparação, primeiro temos que destrinchar o contrato.saullo escreveu:US$ 8,7 bilhões de custo total, sai a US$ 241 milhões cada aparelho.
Os nossos Gripen custarão US$ 5,4 bilhões, sendo então US$ 150 milhões por aparelho.
Simplificando: 36 Rafale = 58 Gripen.
É caro, muito caro.
Abraços
Segundo a matéria da Tecnologia e Defesa (http://tecnodefesa.com.br/contrato-de-v ... a-a-india/) no contrato foi acordado os seguintes termos:
EUR3,42 bi pelos 36 Rafale (dá EUR95 mi/USD106 mi por Rafale);
EUR1,7 bi de modificações indianas e integrações;
EUR710 mi pelo armamento;
restante, EUR1,97 bi, de logística e manutenção;
EUR7,8 bi no contrato total;
1ª entrega 36 meses depois do contrato (ou seja, em 2019) todos os 36 Rafales serão entregues em 30 meses (até 2022).
Repare que o contrato indiano abrange vários itens, inclusive armas. No nosso caso não, o contrato de armas foi assinado posteriormente, no valor de USD 245 mi (http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/20 ... ripen.html). Pelo valor, o pacote de armamentos indiano será muito, mas muito maior do que o brasileiro.
E segundo um tweet do Vishnu Som, jornalista indiano especializado em defesa da NDTV:
Single seat fighter basic cost is 91.07 Euros per piece. Twin seat variant at 94 million Euros.
Arredondando, um Rafale monoplace sai por algo como USD102 mi e um biplace por USD105 mi. Praticamente metade do preço que você aferiu.
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Essa informação está exatamente igual aquelas promoções de carro.knigh7 escreveu:Exemplo de avanço de projeto. Um caça médio da classe de 10 toneladas com uma autonomia significativamente maior que um caça pesado.14. The Rafale wil have 1 1/2 times greater loitering capability than the Su-30 and has significantly greater range.
No final do comercial ou no rodapé vem o * e umas letrinhas miudinhas...

Eu vou colocar o * aqui:
O rafale tem alcance de translado de 3.700 km enquanto o su-30mki possui 3.000 km de alcance.
Diferença significativa.
Só que no rodapé o * com as letrinhas mudinhas explica que o su-30mki possui este alcance SEM uso de tanques externos e mantendo todos os pontos duros para armamentos, além da manobrabilidade de CAÇA.
Enquanto que os 3700 km do rafale são atingidas COM uso de tanques externos, o número de pontos fixos para armamentos fica reduzido e sua manobrabilidade fica prejudicada...
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Luis Henrique,
Eu estava considerando a capacidade superior de cargas externas do Rafale para contrabalançar a menor autonomia interna.
Você conhece bem mais de Flanker que eu: o Rafale consegue levar 2 ton de bombas a quase 1.500km -raio de ação-(mais precisamente 1465km). O Su 30 consegue esse desempenho?
Eu estava considerando a capacidade superior de cargas externas do Rafale para contrabalançar a menor autonomia interna.
Você conhece bem mais de Flanker que eu: o Rafale consegue levar 2 ton de bombas a quase 1.500km -raio de ação-(mais precisamente 1465km). O Su 30 consegue esse desempenho?
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Onde está escrito que o Rafale tem alcance de translado de 3.700 km?Luís Henrique escreveu:Eu vou colocar o * aqui:
O rafale tem alcance de translado de 3.700 km enquanto o su-30mki possui 3.000 km de alcance.
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Vou colocar aqui a imagem só para ficar mais claro.
A Dassault está contando com o alcance da AASM (30 MN):

(Do Gripen NG, a Dassault pegou os dados da SAAB simulando um ataque no Afeganistão em 2008). Os tanques eram de 300 gal e não 450.
A Dassault está contando com o alcance da AASM (30 MN):

(Do Gripen NG, a Dassault pegou os dados da SAAB simulando um ataque no Afeganistão em 2008). Os tanques eram de 300 gal e não 450.
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O Su-30 mk tem raio de ação de 1.500 km com 2 R-27R1 e 2 R-73E.knigh7 escreveu:Luis Henrique,
Eu estava considerando a capacidade superior de cargas externas do Rafale para contrabalançar a menor autonomia interna.
Você conhece bem mais de Flanker que eu: o Rafale consegue levar 2 ton de bombas a quase 1.500km -raio de ação-(mais precisamente 1465km). O Su 30 consegue esse desempenho?
Ou seja, aproximadamente 716 kg.
Não tenho o dado para 2 toneladas de bombas. Mas Acredito que deve ficar bem próximo do Rafale.
As desvantagens do Su-30 em relação ao Rafale e também ao Su-35, neste quesito, eh que o Su-30 eh biplace, leva menos combustível em relação ao Su-35. Cerca de 2000 kg a menos de combustível.
E NÃO utiliza tanques externos.
Eh claro que o Rafale possui esse raio de ação lotado de tanques externos.
Na modernização dos Su-30 Mki talvez incluam a capacidade de utilizar 2 tanques externos iguais do Su-35 com capacidade para 1.400 kg de combustível cada.
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Coloquei de cabeça.Marechal-do-ar escreveu:Onde está escrito que o Rafale tem alcance de translado de 3.700 km?Luís Henrique escreveu:Eu vou colocar o * aqui:
O rafale tem alcance de translado de 3.700 km enquanto o su-30mki possui 3.000 km de alcance.
Não Eh isso?
Su-35BM - 4ª++ Geração.
Simplesmente um GRANDE caça.
Simplesmente um GRANDE caça.