Missilhouse do Brasil

[BrasilPotência]

BVR Marlin?

[FCarvalho]

Decorrência natural quando se faz parcerias de longo prazo pensando no desenvolvimento de P&D.
Talvez com alguns respingos no projeto das CV-3.
E Não vejo porque não. Se queremos mesmo conquistar nossa independência nesta área.
A outra solução sabemos qual é.

abs.

[caixeiro]

Decorrência natural quando se faz parcerias de longo prazo pensando no desenvolvimento de P&D.
Talvez com alguns respingos no projeto das CV-3.
E Não vejo porque não. Se queremos mesmo conquistar nossa independência nesta área.
A outra solução sabemos qual é.

abs.

A mais ou menos 1 ano na LAAD

Denel Dynamics is developing new surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles as part of a technology demonstrator programme that is leveraging off its experience with the A-Darter, R-Darter and Umkhonto missiles.

Known as Marlin, the all-weather air defence missile technology programme was unveiled at the 9th biennial LAAD Defence and Security International Exhibition held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, last week.

According to Denel Dynamics, the Marlin technology demonstrator programme was contracted by the Department of Defence through Armscor and will result in a missile that is launched at a target in three to four years’ time.

Marlin technology will subsequently be used for Navy, Army and Air Force applications, with synergy achieved due to common subsystems. The missile will use some subsystems and system architecture from Denel’s proven Umkhonto surface-to-air missile and its A-Darter short-range air-to-air missile.

The performance of the missiles from the Marlin programme is expected to be in the latest generation class relevant to each type. Denel expects the Marlin All-Weather surface-to-air missile (SAM) will have a much larger range than typical Infra-Red SAMs.

At the moment South Africa is seeking a partner to reduce risk on the project and elevate it to a full-scale joint development programme. “With that, comes skills growth and industry job opportunity for both parties,” Denel said. “The outcome of collaboration on Marlin will be a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile for the two Air Forces and an All-Weather Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) for the two Navies and Armies.”

Brazil is being courted as a partner nation, notably due to its involvement in the A-Darter programme, which will near completion towards the end of 2014, as the missile is currently entering the qualification phase.

Jan Wessels, CEO of Denel Dynamics, said there is potential to collaborate further with Latin America in the domain of guided missiles, aerospace, defence and high technology in general. “As seen with the A-Darter programme, this type of initiative can sustain and grow industry,” said Wessels.

“Competitive, indigenous, guided missiles design and development capability serves a number of strategic objectives for both South Africa and other advanced developing nations. Locally developed defence products translate into improved technological capability for both countries and create an independent defence capability that is of strategic importance.”

From a South African industry perspective, Wessels remarked upon the absolute synergy between the Brazilian and South African teams in terms of vision, work ethic and technical capability on the A-Darter project. “We look forward to expanding on this through more joint programmes,” said Wessels, who aims to manage his company to become the technology advancement leader in BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), and other developing countries.

[FCarvalho]

Notícias em contrário fora a parte, eu ainda quero acreditar que não iremos ser tão irresponsáveis de jogar uma oportunidade destas fora, em troca de uma suposta operacionalidade semi-servil, com base em prateleiras e coisas semelhantes.

Ainda na torcida e na esperança de que exista vida inteligente no MD.

abs.

[NovaTO]

Brasil estreita laços com a África do Sul



"...Foi divulgado em um comunicado durante o encontro entre os ministros a clara intenção de fortalecer esta integração, o que seria alcançado no desenvolvimento de um novo míssil AR-AR de maior porte, com alcance de cerca de 100km..."

http://portaldefesa.com/site/index.php/ ... o-sul.html

Torcendo para que o Marlin se torne realidade. A-Darter+Marlin nos Gripen E/F FAB e C/D da SAAF.

Índia deveria analisar com carinho esses mísseis, já que se não comprarem poderão acabar no Paquistão e na China....


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[FCarvalho]

O Marlin tende a ser algo bem próximo, se for realmente desenvolvido, dos R-77, Derby, AMRAAM e Meteor.
E nada nos indica dizer que isso não venha a ocorrer, já que o A-Darter promete ser uma míssil WVR de 5a G muito promissor.

Além disso, como se pode verificar na maioria dos projetos realizados dentro deste contexto, uma família de mísseis enquanto produto derivado destas pesquisas, é só questão de tempo, com todas as três ffaa's mais que interessadas em tal família, a fim de aquinhoar seus meio no médio/longo prazo.

Vamos ver no que vai dar.

[andrelemos]

Senhores, dando uma fuçada na web, me deparei com algumas informações interessantes (no finalzinho da página)...

http://www.esdpa.org/2014/01/back-to-th ... -missiles/

The outcome of collaboration on Marlin will be a BVRAAM for the two air forces and an all-weather surface-to-air missile for the two navies and armies said Denel. This type of initiative is supported by IBSA and other bi-lateral initiatives between South Africa and Brazil, Denel added. The Marlin is to have a range of more than 100km and there is also a plan to develop a naval surface-to-air missile version, according to Denel. The active RF seeker has been developed by Denel while the dual-pulse solid rocket motor has been developed by Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) in South Africa, but further development could involve the Brazilian industries.

Fui pesquisar quais mísseis usam este tipo de motor, e me deparei com as seguintes informações:

http://www.bayern-chemie.com/dualpulse.htm

The key element of the LFK-NG is its dual pulse propulsion system, which was developed by Bayern-Chemie, the programme for which included 2 successful test flights in 2005 and 2006.

Compared to single pulse propulsion systems of the same dimensions, the dual pulse propulsion system provides the capability of high agility to the missile system especially in the endgame scenarios and enlarges the no escape zone of the target.

The key characteristic which the dual pulse motor design enables is the capability to manage different thrust impulses according to mission need. The pulse management is achieved through the use of dual propellant charges separated by a frangible bulkhead, where the charges can be ignited separately.

Segundo a Wikipédia o PL-12 chinês usa um motor de pulso dual, e tem um alcance estimado de cerca de 70 km, sendo equivalente ao AIM-120 AMRAAM "C".

Interessante, não?

[Alcantara]

[andrelemos]

Já viram o canal desse tal Lupotonga? Muita coisa interessante sobre as forças armadas indianas.

A imagem veio do vídeo de uma apresentação sobre o míssil ar-ar Astra Indiano. Ao que parece, o Astra Mk. II terá este motor de pulso duplo e um alcance máximo na casa dos 110km.

Creio que o Marlin tem tudo para ser um ótimo míssil, complementar ao Meteor, que terá mais alcance, mas também deve ser bem caro...

[FCarvalho]

Se nós entrarmos neste projeto, muitas coisas podem, e serão, melhoradas no perfil final do Marlin, pois eu duvido que a FAB se dê o trabalho de encetar um produto para si com menos qualidades na arena BVR do que o WVR A-Dater.

abs.

[andrelemos]

Aliás, vocês já leram o que os pilotos Sul-Africanos acham do A-Darter em comparação com o Iris-T?

http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-ev ... -on-gripen

Denel Dynamics completes A-Darter integration on Gripen
Date: 7 June 2011

Helmoed-Römer Heitman

Denel Dynamics, the missile and UAV division of South Africa's Denel, has completed the integration of the A-Darter fifth-generation air-to-air missile with the Saab JAS39 Gripen after a series of six launches.

SAAF fighter pilots involved with the project, or with insight into the development, are impressed by the A-Darter and regard it as better in some respects than the IRIS-T and the other missiles in this class. Where it was once speculated that the SAAF might use the A-Darter only on the Hawk, the intention now seems to be to also arm the Gripen with the missile, but retaining the IRIS-T in order to give a dual capability. Since the two missiles have different profiles and features, this will confuse the tactical situation as seen by an opposing pilot,

Specific aspects of the A-Darter mentioned to by SAAF pilots include the absence, under favourable atmospheric conditions, of the tell-tale (aluminium oxide particle based) smoke trail (no aluminium is used in the rocket propellant), giving opposing fighter pilots no visual warning other than a very discrete launch flash.

These features, along with a considerable range advantage over most short-range air-to-air missiles (A-Darter is considered a near-BVR missile) make A-Darter a major threat for opposing pilots.

Other aspects drawing favourable comment include, a 90-degree look angle; the availability of cocpit-selectable seeker scan patterns; quick target acquisition, which "rarely needs a second scan cycle", was told; after-launch scanning for lock-on-after-launch engagements, which is particularly valuable in "over the shoulder" engagements; and the 120-degrees per second track rate.

Source; Jane's Missiles and Rockets

O A-Darter parece ser um míssil realmente muito bom....

[NovaTO]

along with a considerable range advantage over most short-range air-to-air missiles (A-Darter is considered a near-BVR missile) make A-Darter a major threat for opposing pilots.

[capsantanna]

along with a considerable range advantage over most short-range air-to-air missiles (A-Darter is considered a near-BVR missile) make A-Darter a major threat for opposing pilots.

Qual será o alcance dele?
Fiquei curioso com esse comentário.

[Marino]

Sao 12 km.
Comentário de marketeiro.

[WalterGaudério]

Notícias em contrário fora a parte, eu ainda quero acreditar que não iremos ser tão irresponsáveis de jogar uma oportunidade destas fora, em troca de uma suposta operacionalidade semi-servil, com base em prateleiras e coisas semelhantes.

Ainda na torcida e na esperança de que exista vida inteligente no MD.

abs.

Não duvide da capacidade de fazer besteira dos nossos políticos...