Conflito: Israel - Turquia

[rodrigo]

Não teria Israel interesse de "ajudar" ($$$$) os gregos afim desse apoio? Se os israelenses não tem capacidade para isso ($$$$$), um terceiro país, na surdina, não poderia fazê-lo em troca deste mesmo apoio?

Onde você escreveu Israel, leia-se os judeus americanos. Aí fecha mais fácil.

[FoxHound]

Eu tenho lidos jornais chineses e russos principalmente jornais estatais o que eu percebi nos comentarios é que no fundo eles estão amando, nunca passaram na cabeça deles que isso iria aconteçer um dia, eles provavelmente vão se aproveitar dessa divisão pois não sabem quando será a próxima.
Não devemos esquecer que os russos tem navios de guerra ancorados nos portos de Latakia e Tartous localizado na Siria.

[DELTA22]

Não teria Israel interesse de "ajudar" ($$$$) os gregos afim desse apoio? Se os israelenses não tem capacidade para isso ($$$$$), um terceiro país, na surdina, não poderia fazê-lo em troca deste mesmo apoio?

Onde você escreveu Israel, leia-se os judeus americanos. Aí fecha mais fácil.

Sim, sim, sim! Perfeito!

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[P44]

Custa muito pedir desculpa por matar pessoas porra??? Eta orgulho judeu!!!

Holocausto= Dá o direito de chacinar milhões até ao fim dos tempos. Se protestar ganha um autocolante a dizer "eu sou nazi!"

[FOXTROT]

Os sinais são inequívocos....
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Premiê do Egito diz que acordo de paz com Israel "não é sagrado"
15 de setembro de 2011 • 13h28 • atualizado às 13h40

O primeiro-ministro egípcio, Essam Sharaf, disse que o acordo de paz do Egito com Israel não é sagrado e sempre está aberto a discussões ou mudança, se isso beneficiar a região ou ampliar a paz. Ele fez a declaração em uma entrevista a uma emissora turca de TV.

"O acordo de Camp David não é uma coisa sagrada e está sempre aberto a discussões no que puder beneficiar a região e o caso de uma paz justa e nós poderíamos fazer uma mudança se necessário", afirmou na entrevista, também transmitida pela TV estatal do Egito.

[rodrigo]

Erdogan warns Israel: Turkey can send warships to east Mediterranean at any time

Turkish PM says Israel could not do whatever it wants in the eastern Mediterranean.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday Israel could not do whatever it wanted in the eastern Mediterranean and that Turkish warships could be there at any moment.

Erdogan's comments, made during a visit to Tunisia as part of a tour of Arab countries, were the latest in a war of words between the two regional powers, whose relations have deteriorated since Israel killed nine Turks aboard an aid ship headed for Gaza last year.

"Israel cannot do whatever it wants in the eastern Mediterranean. They will see what our decisions will be on this subject. Our navy attack ships can be there at any moment," Erdogan told a news conference shortly after arriving in Tunis.

Turkey downgraded diplomatic ties with Israel and halted defense-related trade after the Jewish state confirmed last week it would not apologise for the raid on the Mavi Marmara ship which had attempted to break Israel's blockade on Gaza.

Turkey and Israel had tried to mend fences before the publication two weeks ago of a UN report that deemed the blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip a legal means to stem the flow of arms to Palestinians but also said Israel had used unreasonable force.

Ankara said it was prepared to escort any future Gaza-bound ship with naval ships.
Israel has said it will maintain the blockade and that it wants to ease tensions with its former ally.

But in an interview last week with Al Jazeera television, excerpts of which were released by Turkish state media, Erdogan said he saw the Israeli storming of the ship in May, 2010 as "grounds for war" but that Turkey had acted "with patience".

The prospect of a showdown at sea with Turkey, a NATO power and, like Israel, an ally of the United States, rattled Israelis already on edge over political upheaval in the Arab world and Iran's nuclear program. Washington has appealed for restraint.

Erdogan, seeking to expand Turkey's regional influence, is on a tour of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, where he has so far received an enthusiastic welcome. His criticism of Israeli has helped win him great popularity in Arab countries.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... e-1.384657

[joao fernando]

Custa muito pedir desculpa por matar pessoas porra??? Eta orgulho judeu!!!

Holocausto= Dá o direito de chacinar milhões até ao fim dos tempos. Se protestar ganha um autocolante a dizer "eu sou nazi!"

Pows, vai faltar adesivo então...

[Penguin]

Após ter cruzado várias informações, chego à conclusão que esse site de onde são retiradas essas "noticias" pouca credibilidade merece. É o mesmo site que ainda à pouco anunciava que os palestinos já não iam apresentar nada na ONU, pois o presidente Abbas tinha cedido à pressão dos sauditas e egípcios , assim como à dos europeus para que não o fizesse, e que agora vem dizer que os palestinos voltaram com a palavra dada atrás e que afinal sempre vão apresentar-se para reconhecimento na ONU.

Tentei confirmar em outras fontes esse tal pacto secreto mas não consegui encontrar rigorosamente mais nada sobre isso assim como a alegação das ameaças de secretário-geral da OTAN aos turcos, também só encontro referencia nesse site.

Assim, felizmente e para bem da Europa que assim é, tenho todas as reservas e mais algumas sobre esse tal pacto e considero-o uma pobre peça de propaganda e manipulação.

Antes do incidente da flotilha, já havia cooperação militar entre Grécia e Israel.
Depois do incidente da flotilha e do rompimento das relações militares entre a Turquia e Israel, a cooperação militar entre Israel e Grécia se intensificou e como citado anteriormente no artigo do Debkafile, houve sim a assinatura de acordo militar entre israel e a Grécia (ver artigo do RIA Novosti abaixo). A novidade no Debkafile é que esse acordo inclui cláusulas de defesa mútua.

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Greece Quietly Provides Israeli Air Force Pivotal Assistance on S-300 as Iran Nuke Strike Looms
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=639
Edwin Black July 14th 2008

Greece has quietly assisted the Israeli Air Force in a previously unreported fashion as the dreaded decision of a possible Israeli preemptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities draws closer, this reporter has learned.

A pivotal factor in Israel’s military strategy against Iran’s nuclear installations is the recent delivery to Iran of Russia’s potent S-300 Russian ground-to-air radar systems. Considered one of the world’s most versatile radar-missile systems, Russia’s S-300 batteries can simultaneous track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft, including airborne monitoring jets. As many as ten intruders can be simultaneously engaged by the S-300’s mobile interceptor missile batteries, military sources say. As such, the S-300 is a major threat to the long-range weapons in the Israeli arsenal. These include Israel’s long-range 1,500 km. nuclear-capable Jericho IIB missiles; unmanned missile-equipped long-range drones; Israel’s F-16s, F-15Es; long range heavy-payload F151s and F161s; and even its three new Gulfstream G550 business jets boasting a range of 6,750 nautical miles, newly outfitted with nuclear-tracking electronics and designed to loiter over or near Iranian skies for hours. The S-300 can compromise everything Israel has.
But Greece has the same Russian S-300 system.

Originally purchased by Cyprus in 1998, the Cypriot installation provoked a storm of protracted protests by Turkey because the system would make vulnerable all Turkish air movements. To resolve tensions and prevent a Turkish preemptive attack on the installations, the S-300 by international agreement was moved to Crete for safekeeping, and eventually joint-Cypriot-Greek control based on the 1993 mutual defense pact between Cyprus and Greece. On December 20, 2007, the move and installation of the S-300 was quietly completed.

In the last days of May and first week of June, 2008, Israel staged an impressive and well-reported exercise over Crete with the participation of the Greek air force. More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighter jets, as well as Israeli rescue helicopters and mid-air refueling planes flew a massive number of mock strikes. Israeli planes reportedly never landed but were continuously refueled from airborne platforms. Israel demonstrated that a 1400 km distance could be negotiated with Israeli aircraft remaining aloft and effective. Iran’s Natanz nuclear enrichment facility is 1400 km from Israel.
While the Israeli-Greek air tactics were amply reported in the world’s media after initial reports in the New York Times, the pivotal information from Greece’s S-300 batteries has remained below the radar. By swarming its jets into the S-300’s massive electronics, Israel was able to record invaluable information about defeating, jamming and circumventing the Russian system.

Israel dubbed its exercise “Glorious Spartan.” It is recalled that 300 glorious Spartans went down in history by forestalling the massive Persian army at a tiny land passage at the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC. The tiny Jewish State is now contemplating whether it must act unilaterally to forestall Iran’s nuclear threat.

Iranian officials complained bitterly to Athens after the exercise, but were told by Greek officials that their Russian-made radar-missile batteries were “turned off” during the exercise, according to Greek, Russian and Iranian sources. Those sources expressed incredulity that Greece would “turn off” its critical radar installations and air defense during such an exercise. Shortly after that exercise, Iran began signaling to European diplomats that Tehran might be willing to negotiate in earnest.

Iran’s S-300s are more updated than the Greek installation. Russian sources speculated that as many as five batteries were recently delivered to Iran, these having been pulled from active Russia defense units. The transaction is thought to be valued at $800 million, an easy sum for Iran whose economy is some 75 percent dependent upon oil revenues. The S-300 is integrated with Russia’s S-300PMU-2 “Favorit,” mobile missile batteries, codenamed by NATO “the Gargoyle.” Numerous Gargoyle batteries are part of the Russian arms deal with Iran, but several observers thought the batteries, although in Iran, were not yet operational.

For its part, Israel is leapfrogging its air superiority. It is in the process of acquiring the just unveiled F35B, a stealthy Joint Strike Fighter with Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) abilities. So new is the aircraft, its maiden flight was recorded only on June 11 at Lockheed Martin’s facility near Ft. Worth, Texas. The dull grey, stealthy and irregularly shaped F35B, known as “Lightning II,” would allow Israel to clandestinely preposition planes in unorthodox locations and land them closer to Iran, even in locations without runways. Featuring a swivel rear-exhaust nozzle, the state of the art fighter can switch from conventional to VTOL at the push of a button. The planes cost as much as $80 million per jet. Israel is trying to quickly purchase an entire squadron.

Israel is also actively seeking to finalize a purchase of America’s potent F-22 Raptor, a state of the art stealth fighter. Israel officials have stated they were willing to pay the $150 million per plane price tag in view of the Iranian threat.

Israel has demonstrated amply in the past that it can carry out precision operations thousands of miles from home. In 1976, in a Hollywood-style rescue, Israel flew a complicated air mission more than 2000 miles to Entebbe Airport in Uganda to rescue its hijacked citizens. In 1981, eight F-15s and eight F-16s, flew to Iraq for a precision strike permanently disabling Saddam Hussein’s Osirek nuclear reactor, after assassinations and sabotage of French reactor cores proved insufficient. Two F-15s circled above Saudi Arabia as a communications nexus with Tel Aviv.

In October, 1985, the Israeli Air Force executed yet another precision attack involving a 4800-km mission to Tunis where it destroyed Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization headquarters—seemingly beyond the reach of Israel.

In 2003, realizing it might have to one day face an Iranian nuclear threat, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon developed Project Daniel, with a “Long Arm” capability. Any strike by Israel against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure would involve hundreds of sorties, lasting many hours and requiring ad hoc bomb damage assessment (BDA) as airplanes went back again and again to attack targets until successful. Because Natanz and other facilities are buried many feet below ground, multiple synchronized attacks with bunker busters would have to be mounted as delayed munitions burrow deeper and deeper into the crater left by the previous bomb impact. It might take up to 20 to 40 pairs of BLU-113 penetrating bombs each carrying more than 300 kg of high-explosive Tritonal warheads to destroy the Natanz underground halls housing centrifuges. Israel’s long-range, heavy-duty fighters can deliver these blows.

But if Israel attacks Iran, it will need to deliver those blows over and over again, in location after location, as well as neutralize the S-300 installations, mobile rockets, air defenses, a collection of North Korean-made Shahab3 missiles, and rescue its downed pilots.

Even if Israel is successful, the Jewish State expects a massive retaliation from Iran and its Hezbollah and Hamas proxies. Thousands of rockets are expected to be fired at Israeli cities within moments of the attack. Iran has already threatened the Strait of Hormuz, though which forty percent of the world’s seaborne oil traverses.

Israel considers itself in a no-win situation because years of sanctions and intense diplomacy have not stopped Iran’s cyclonic nuclear progress. Iran has consistently promised that Israel would “soon be wiped off the map.” More than one Israeli official has stated, the only thing worse than attacking Iran, is not attacking Iran.

Edwin Black is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of IBM and the Holocaust, and the forthcoming book, The Plan--How to Save America the Day after the Oil Stops— or Perhaps the Day Before (Dialog Press, September 2008).

IAF and Greek Air Force Conduct Joint Exercise Over Mediterranean
Ares - A Defense Technology Blog
Posted by Noam Eshel at 5/28/2010 8:20 AM CDT

The Israeli Air Force began joint training exercises with the Greek Air Force on the island of Crete in the Aegean Sea. The exercise, codenamed "MINOAS 2010", includes training for aerial combat, attacks on terrestrial targets, long-range missions and mid-air refueling. The exercise will also include search and rescue missions from Souda air force base up to the Aegean island of Aghios Eftrastio.

"MINOAS 2010", is scheduled to continue through the weekend. 10 IAF aircraft are participating in the exercise – five F-15I 'Rams' and five F16I 'Sufas'. These are the latest aircraft in the IAF combat fighter fleet and are able to carry out long-range attack missions. An IAF refueling KC-807 tanker is also reported to be taking part in the exercise.

On the Greek side, 15 - F16s are believed to be participating. It is also expected that IAF CH-53 helicopters will arrive in Greece to train in simulated aircrew rescue operations, behind enemy lines.

The IAF has recently carried out several joint training exercises with different air forces in Europe and North America in order to improve the capabilities of its pilots in long-range missions. The Israeli Air Force is training its aircrews to cope with various modern air defense systems, known to be deployed with Arab nations. The IDF spokesman's office confirmed IAF's participation in the joint exercise with Greece and said that it was planned in advance on this year's training schedule.

Israel and Greece seek to expand military ties

By Allyn Fisher-Ilan
ATHENS | Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:26pm EDT

(Reuters) - Israeli and Greek leaders discussed expanding military ties on Tuesday including sharing military know-how and holding joint war games, officials said.

Israel has been keen to expand ties with Greece as its relations with Turkey -- another strategic Mediterranean partner -- soured since an Israeli raid on a Turkish-backed aid flotilla to the Gaza Strip in May.

As he wrapped up his two-day trip to Greece, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- the highest ranking Israeli to visit the country -- said the two nations were "opening a new chapter."

He told reporters that he and Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou had discussed military cooperation.

An official in Netanyahu's entourage told Reuters these discussions "explored establishing greater cooperation between both countries' military industries and armies."

A Greek official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed they "talked about new forms of cooperation on defense and security issues" including the expansion of joint military exercises and sharing technological knowledge.

In a symbolic gesture, Papandreou hosted Netanyahu on a trip to an island off the Athens coast on Tuesday, setting sail on a missile boat Israel sold to Greece eight years ago.

Papandreou told a joint news conference with the Israeli leader on Monday that they were looking at expanding strategic ties. Israeli officials said a team of experts on security and trade ties would soon meet to map out further details.

Netanyahu has said he wants to mend fences with Turkey and that upgrading relations with Greece could further that goal.

Greece is Turkey's long-standing rival in the Mediterranean. The came to the brink of war at least twice in the 20th century.

Israel sees Greece as more ready to build ties with it because it senses that Athens' traditional Arab allies seem less opposed than in the past, due to shared fears of Iran which many in the West believe is seeking to make a nuclear bomb.

"Relations are now developing at great speed due to our common interests," another senior Israeli official told reporters on the sidelines of the trip.

Netanyahu is the first Israeli Prime Minister to visit Greece, which only forged full diplomatic ties with the Jewish state in 1990, later than other European countries. Israel and Greece signed a defense cooperation agreement in 1994.

(Additional reporting by Ingrid Melander and Renee Maltezou; Editing by Maria Golovnina)

Greece, Israel agree on military cooperation

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak
© RIA Novosti. Edward Pesov
00:08 05/09/2011
ATHENS, September 5 (RIA Novosti)

The Defense Minister of Greece Panos Beglitis and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak signed a memorandum on military cooperation in Jerusalem on Sunday, the Greek Ministry of Defense reported.

The contents of the memorandum is undisclosed. Panos Beglitis said that the two governments are intend to cooperate closely.

"Our relations with Israel are not under the influence of the current condition," said Beglitis.

Greece has recently improved relations with Israel, exploiting the rift between Tel Aviv and Ankara over the Israeli attack on the pro-Palestinian Freedom Flotilla last year. The raid killed nine people, all Turkish nationals.

[FoxTroop]

Meu caro, dizer que um memorandum em cooperação militar (que abranja um leque extraordinário de niveis de cooperação) é um pacto de defesa mútuo....... Nada de nada, nessas noticias que colocou, levam a pensar mais do que trocas de informação e exercícios conjuntos. Portugal tem memoranduns de cooperação militar com dezenas de países, incluindo um com a Rússia. Isso quererá por acaso dizer que temos um pacto de defesa mútuo com a Rússia?

[Penguin]

Meu caro, dizer que um memorandum em cooperação militar (que abranja um leque extraordinário de niveis de cooperação) é um pacto de defesa mútuo....... Nada de nada, nessas noticias que colocou, levam a pensar mais do que trocas de informação e exercícios conjuntos. Portugal tem memoranduns de cooperação militar com dezenas de países, incluindo um com a Rússia. Isso quererá por acaso dizer que temos um pacto de defesa mútuo com a Rússia?

Se esse pacto é de defesa mútuo não se sabe.
Porém não é muita coincidência que mais um pacto militar entre ambos, de conteúdo secreto, seja assinado justo quando o principal adversário militar da Grécia e novo "antagonista" de Israel passa a se movimentar, pelo menos verbalmente, com certa desenvoltura? Talvez seja sintomático. Será que valerá a pena para a Turquia pagar para ver? Ou a simples dúvida já será suficiente para acalmar ímpetos?

Desde quando Portugal envia seus caças, tropas, helicópteros para exercícios conjuntos com a Rússia e na Rússia? Desde quando Portugal compartilha tecnologias militares com a Rússia?
Desde quando Portugal repassa informações sobre os sistemas da OTAN a sua disposição para a Rússia?
Há acordos e acordos. O que vcs têm com a Rússia parece ser muito diferente desse entre Israel e Grécia.

Na minha opinião, o que fortalece AGORA a cooperação entre Israel e Grécia é que ambos possuem um antagonista comum. E que ambos estão explorando o petróleo e gás da região, o que tem contrariado a Turquia. Isso parece ser a verdadeira causa da irritação turca.

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Greece Warns Turkey on Cyprus Gas Exploration
Fri, 26/08/2011 - 12:04 — Sarah Fenwick
http://www.cyprusnewsreport.com/?q=node/4549

Greece is able to defend Cyprus' sovereignty under the International Law of the Sea and will do so if necessary, said Greek Defence Minister Panagiotis Beglitis in a warning to Turkey not to interfere with the island's offshore oil and gas exploration.

"The heart of our defence doctrine is always the Cyprus Republic," he said.

Greece will also ensure its own sovereign right to explore for hydrocarbons in its territorial waters extending 12 miles out to sea, he said.

Turkey opposes offshore hydrocarbon exploitation by Greece and Cyprus and has recently renewed veiled threats that it will take action over the issue. Experts estimate that there are rich reserves of oil and gas in Cyprus' offshore waters as well as in the disputed territory in the Aegean Sea. Turkey is one of the countries which has not signed the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas, which has been in force since 1994. There are 162 countries that have ratified the Convention, including Cyprus and Greece.

Greece is the latest country after Russia to warn Turkey against crossing the line and interfering with energy companies such as Noble Energy which is due to start drilling in Cyprus' Block 12 by early October.

Israel and Cyprus' interests are also closely aligned after the two countries signed an agreement delimiting their maritime borders in late 2010.

Foreign Minister Erato Kozakou-Marcoullis just wrapped up a visit to Israel to discuss undersea hydrocarbon exploration with President of Israel Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman. The maritime border agreement - declared null and void by Turkey - also led to cooperation on undersea reserves exploitation and closer diplomatic relations between Israel and Cyprus, with Peres expected to visit Cyprus in the near future.

On August 9th, Turkey renewed its veiled threats towards Cyprus on the issue of undersea gas and oil exploration, with a statement from its foreign ministry saying that "the Greek Cypriot Administration does not represent in law or in fact the Turkish Cypriots and Cyprus as a whole."

Bilateral agreements between Cyprus, Lebanon and Israel are "unilateral actions" which could derail settlement talks, give rise to new conflicts and increase tensions in the region, according to the statement.

"These unlawful acts create tension in the region, compromise and prejudge the Turkish Cypriots’ existing and inherent equal rights over the natural resources of the island," says Turkey's foreign ministry.

In response, recently-appointed foreign minister Erato Kozakou-Marcoulis said that the statements were 'posturing' from Turkey and that she would complain to the UN Security Council and the EU. And President Demetris Christofias called on the international community to end its silence on Turkey's threatening attitude to Cyprus.

[Penguin]

Turquia diz que Israel não mandará no Mediterrâneo
15 de setembro de 2011 | 15h 32

AE - Agência Estado
O primeiro-ministro da Turquia, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, alertou Israel nesta quinta-feira que seu país não ficará impassível e não deixará o Estado judeu fazer o que quiser no Mediterrâneo, na mais recente declaração hostil na crise diplomática entre os dois países. Erdogan deu as declarações em Túnis, onde teve reuniões com o premiê interino da Tunísia, Beji Caid-Essebsi, e com o presidente interino Fuad Mebaza. Erdogan visitou um mercado popular e manifestou apoio aos palestinos e ao pedido que farão na próxima semana nas Nações Unidas para serem reconhecidos como Estado membro.

"Israel não pode fazer o que quiser no Mediterrâneo" disse Erdogan. Segundo ele, a Turquia está determinada a preservar a liberdade de navegação no Mediterrâneo oriental. "Estamos determinados a fazer isso, porque todos nós vivemos no Mediterrâneo".

Erdogan visitou o Cairo nesta semana, onde discursou na Liga Árabe. Ele está aumentando dramaticamente a influência da Turquia no Oriente Médio, no momento em que a região é abalada por revoluções e revoltas. Ao mesmo tempo, muitos árabes elogiam a dura postura do premiê turco frente a Israel. Ele rechaçou uma normalização das relações com o Estado judeu até que Israel se desculpe pelas mortes de nove turcos no ataque à flotilha de ajuda humanitária, em 31 de maio do ano passado, indenize as famílias das vítimas e suspenda o bloqueio à Faixa de Gaza.

Israel defende o ataque à flotilha, ao afirmar que suas tropas foram atacadas por ativistas turcos quando abordaram o navio Mavi Mármara. Na semana passada, Israel lamentou a perda de vidas nos acontecimentos e expressou o desejo de que as relações com a Turquia sejam normalizadas. Um relatório das Nações Unidas sobre o reide de Israel publicado na semana passada disse que o bloqueio à Faixa de Gaza é legítimo, porém condenou o uso excessivo da força contra os ativistas do Mavi Mármara.

As informações são da Associated Press.

[AlbertoRJ]

Além de outros fatores, a economia da Grécia aguentaria um conflito?

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[Boss]

Nem chamando Kratos a Grécia levaria essa.

[suntsé]

Além de outros fatores, a economia da Grécia aguentaria um conflito?

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você acha que os Gregos iriam sozinhos para cima da Turquia?

[FoxTroop]

Por acaso nós, portugueses, não enviamos (quem não tem dinheiro não tem vícios). Eles sim, enviaram várias delegações que acompanharam os nossos exercícios militares e, inclusive, chegou a haver em Santa Margarida um pequeno exercício em que participaram alguns meios.

O que Israel está a tentar desesperadamente é encontrar alguma corda à qual se agarrar, visto que os únicos aliados que tinha a área foram à vida, um devido à revolta que mudou todo o paradigma politico e o outro pela enorme falta de tacto que deixou os próprios americanos irritados visto que os USA trabalharam incessantemente para arrefecer o clima e um acordo estava praticamente fechado, quando os extremistas no governo sionista torpedearam o acordo e fizeram o PM israelita retratar-se à última. A fúria dos turcos é mais que legítima e, como um dos funcionários americanos disse, "Israel cuspiu nos olhos de todos nós e agora vamos ter de limpar o cuspo e dizer que afinal é apenas chuva"

Nesse campo, até se poderia considerar os gregos uma boa "corda", se os equilíbrios fossem outros e as dinâmicas econômicas também fossem diferentes. Para os americanos é uma catástrofe geopolítica e mostra a fraqueza a que o "soft power" americano baixou, incapaz que é de formar consenso entre dois aliados, um dos quais (a Turquia) é indispensável para os planos americanos de expansão e acesso aos vastos recursos energéticos na Ásia Central. Daí que os russos, geralmente bastante simpáticos aos gregos, estejam a olhar para isto com bastante curiosidade e até tenham um certo interesse em ver o circo chegar ao ponto de quase combustão.

Para a Europa é um rude golpe, pois não tendo o discernimento de assimilar uma Turquia, cada vez mais pujante no seu seio, levou a um afastamento da mesma e alienou a elite turcas que se viraram na busca do que era o seu espaço geopolítico. É a Turquia que agora dá graças por não estar metida na armadilha europeia.

Para Israel é um buraco. Cada vez mais isolado e sem nada para oferecer em troca que não seja chatices e com o seu único aliado incondicional a esvair-se financeiramente e cada vez mais incapaz de fazer ouvir a sua voz na arena internacional, não tem muito por onde se virar. O risco (muito diminuto) é que os extremistas tentem uma saída para a frente, levando a região a uma guerra naquela região, que por acaso é mesmo o que as economias globais estão a precisar.

Caso o impensável aconteça e a Turquia seja deixada de calças na mão, não dou 7 anos para que os turcos estejam no clube dos nucleares, junto com o Irão o Egipto e a Arábia Saudita.

Vai ser preciso muita calma e paciência e é bom que a Europa se defina já no tabuleiro. Nisto não vai dar para ficar na plateia.