Marinha Francesa

[talharim]

Se tratam de pontos de vista diferentes apenas isso

Mas nao vale a pena discutirmos sobre isso.





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[Pepê Rezende]

Se tratam de pontos de vista diferentes apenas isso

Pontos de vista embasados em preconceito e falta de conhecimento, meu caro...

Mas nao vale a pena discutirmos sobre isso.





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Concordo, por isso peço para nos concentrar no que realmente é importante, os pacotes tecnológicos envolvidos. Vou colocar um ponto que acho importante: o Mistral é um senhor navio, mas não se adequa às necessidades brasileiras. É lento demais. Acho os Dokdo, coreanos, mais adaptáveis ao que queremos.

Pepê

[P44]

O quanto foram importantes os franceses na independencia americana ... poderiamos abrir um topico apenas disso

Sim, foram muito importantes. Se não tivessem entrado na guerra, hoje não existiriam os EUA. Seriam, no máximo, um integrante pequeno da Comonwealth, agrícola, equivalente às 13 colônias, cercado de países que falariam francês e espanhol. Na Primeira Guerra Mundial entraram no fim, quando britânicos e franceses já haviam, em boa parte, revertido a pressão alemã com o uso de blindados e outras técnicas inovadoras. Na Segunda Guerra Mundial, foram responsáveis pela derrota alemã no ar, pois quem carregou os aliados nas costas em terra foi a URSS. Quando falam do Lend Lease não se lembram que a maior parte dos carregamentos estadunidenses para a URSS foi enviada depois da Batalha de Kursk, quando a maré já virara contra o Terceiro Reich no Leste Europeu.

Os franceses foram mal na Segunda Guerra Mundial por falta de um comando eficiente, mas causaram mais baixas entre os alemães que os soviéticos no início dos combates. Se não fossem as forças de Juin, os norte-americanos não tinham passado da metade da bota italiana, o próprio Mc Clark reconhece isso. Estamos aqui para discutir tecnologia militar e não para demonstrar preconceito ignorante. Se citar a Indochina, lembre-se de quem saiu correndo, vergonhosamente, de Saigon, jogando helicópteros na água...

Pepê

Se bem que 100% off-topic merece ir para os imortais!^^^^^^^^

[P44]

OPV GOWIND

DCNS floats Gowind OPV
2011/05/18

The first DCNS Gowind-type offshore patrol vessel has been launched just one year after construction work began. Meeting this milestone highlights the programme’s excellent progress. The building and outfitting of the L’Adroit in record time – less than 20 months – has been made possible by new, improved design and production methods.

From ‘first cut’ on 7 May 2010 to float-out on 18 May 2011 took just 12 months. This innovative maritime safety & security vessel programme is consistent with DCNS’s ambitious shipbuilding targets.

“The floating of Gowind-type OPV L’Adroit demonstrates DCNS’s ability to design and build a highly innovative ship on time – in this case less than 20 months – and on budget,” says Marc Maynard, the Group’s Gowind OPV programme manager. “This highly symbolic event gives the management team an opportunity to thank everyone working on the programme and to say how happy it is with the contributions of all the DCNS teams involved as well as all investors, partners and co-contractors, along with the French Navy which is supporting both the programme and the planned export drive. All have contributed directly to the success achieved to date. The Gowind family of OPV/corvettes is a key element of the Group’s strategic growth plan.”

Eleven companies are supplying systems and equipment for the L’Adroit free of charge. In all, over 50 co-contractors are contributing to this showcase programme and will contribute further to the drive to promote the Gowind family and its systems and equipment.

The float-out or launch – always a major milestone – involved many people and considerable preparation. Last weekend, special-purpose crawlers moved the ship from its assembly hall to a nearby wharf, then to a barge on the Scorff estuary. From there, L’Adroit was taken to a drydock to be floated out.

Gowind-type OPV L’Adroit is now moored at a DCNS outfitting wharf for work on the upper deck equipment compartments and the installation of the single enclosed mast. Major tasks scheduled for June include the installation of the main radome and electronic systems. When quayside testing of the electronic systems and equipment has been completed, advanced-technology OPV L’Adroit will begin sea trials scheduled for the coming summer.

OPV L’Adroit is being built under a DCNS-funded programme.
On completion, the ship will be made available to the French Navy.

A three-year operational loan will enable the Navy to grant ‘sea proven’ and ‘operations qualified’ seals of approval, thereby giving DCNS two key arguments when promoting the Gowind family on the international market.

This loan introduces an innovative form of cooperation between the French government and a private company.

The Navy will demonstrate the Gowind’s relevance and operational worth for current and emerging missions on the high seas from area surveillance to anti-piracy, counter-terrorism, fisheries policing, drug interdiction, environmental protection, humanitarian aid, search & rescue and maritime safety & security.

Gowind-type OPVs offer three weeks’ blue-water endurance, a range of 8,000 nautical miles and a top speed of 21 knots. L’Adroit has a length overall of 87 metres. The design also includes full provision for reduced crewing by a complement of 30 and space for 30 passengers.

Innovations and capabilities of special interest to ship-based naval, commando and coast guard forces include a panoramic bridge offering 360° visibility, a single enclosed mast offering 360° sensor visibility, covert deployment of fast commando boats in less than five minutes and full provision for unmanned aerial and surface vehicles (UAVs and USVs). The Gowind family also benefits from DCNS’s vast experience in IT and command information systems. These vessels can be readily tailored for extended area surveillance and, when working in conjunction with shore-based control centres and other networked ships, for the automatic detection of suspicious behaviour by ships and other craft.

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/presse/dcns-met ... pv-gowind/

[Pepê Rezende]

OPV GOWIND

DCNS floats Gowind OPV
2011/05/18

The first DCNS Gowind-type offshore patrol vessel has been launched just one year after construction work began. Meeting this milestone highlights the programme’s excellent progress. The building and outfitting of the L’Adroit in record time – less than 20 months – has been made possible by new, improved design and production methods.

From ‘first cut’ on 7 May 2010 to float-out on 18 May 2011 took just 12 months. This innovative maritime safety & security vessel programme is consistent with DCNS’s ambitious shipbuilding targets.

“The floating of Gowind-type OPV L’Adroit demonstrates DCNS’s ability to design and build a highly innovative ship on time – in this case less than 20 months – and on budget,” says Marc Maynard, the Group’s Gowind OPV programme manager. “This highly symbolic event gives the management team an opportunity to thank everyone working on the programme and to say how happy it is with the contributions of all the DCNS teams involved as well as all investors, partners and co-contractors, along with the French Navy which is supporting both the programme and the planned export drive. All have contributed directly to the success achieved to date. The Gowind family of OPV/corvettes is a key element of the Group’s strategic growth plan.”

Eleven companies are supplying systems and equipment for the L’Adroit free of charge. In all, over 50 co-contractors are contributing to this showcase programme and will contribute further to the drive to promote the Gowind family and its systems and equipment.

The float-out or launch – always a major milestone – involved many people and considerable preparation. Last weekend, special-purpose crawlers moved the ship from its assembly hall to a nearby wharf, then to a barge on the Scorff estuary. From there, L’Adroit was taken to a drydock to be floated out.

Gowind-type OPV L’Adroit is now moored at a DCNS outfitting wharf for work on the upper deck equipment compartments and the installation of the single enclosed mast. Major tasks scheduled for June include the installation of the main radome and electronic systems. When quayside testing of the electronic systems and equipment has been completed, advanced-technology OPV L’Adroit will begin sea trials scheduled for the coming summer.

OPV L’Adroit is being built under a DCNS-funded programme.
On completion, the ship will be made available to the French Navy.

A three-year operational loan will enable the Navy to grant ‘sea proven’ and ‘operations qualified’ seals of approval, thereby giving DCNS two key arguments when promoting the Gowind family on the international market.

This loan introduces an innovative form of cooperation between the French government and a private company.

The Navy will demonstrate the Gowind’s relevance and operational worth for current and emerging missions on the high seas from area surveillance to anti-piracy, counter-terrorism, fisheries policing, drug interdiction, environmental protection, humanitarian aid, search & rescue and maritime safety & security.

Gowind-type OPVs offer three weeks’ blue-water endurance, a range of 8,000 nautical miles and a top speed of 21 knots. L’Adroit has a length overall of 87 metres. The design also includes full provision for reduced crewing by a complement of 30 and space for 30 passengers.

Innovations and capabilities of special interest to ship-based naval, commando and coast guard forces include a panoramic bridge offering 360° visibility, a single enclosed mast offering 360° sensor visibility, covert deployment of fast commando boats in less than five minutes and full provision for unmanned aerial and surface vehicles (UAVs and USVs). The Gowind family also benefits from DCNS’s vast experience in IT and command information systems. These vessels can be readily tailored for extended area surveillance and, when working in conjunction with shore-based control centres and other networked ships, for the automatic detection of suspicious behaviour by ships and other craft.

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/presse/dcns-met ... pv-gowind/

Linda, mas cara!

[brasil70]

O Brasil não conta com nenhuma empresa do porte da DCNS?

[cabeça de martelo]

Parece um iate.

[P44]

Parece um iate.

É o que está a dar, na linha de design de OPVs



os OPVs Neo-Zelandezes também parecem uns iates mais pobrezinhos



...e depois há as traineiras...

[Andre Correa]

Um post que encontrei em outro fórum, postado em 2005, que fala um pouco da Marine Nationale:

First the carriers, we currently have one only. A nuclear powered one, scoring 261m long. It will be joined in the distant future by another one that will be of a different class. The next one should be 284m long and will use a conventional propulsion.

Charles de Gaulle Class Aircraft Carrier

1 unit avaible.




















The Future French Aircraft Carrier

Little is know of it, the French government doesn't communicate a lot about it, we can really only say it'll be using a conventional propulsion and will reach the 284m for a displacment of 59.000 tons (source is the official DCN site, who will build it).



Little changes in the landing platform family, the Mistral class will mainly replace the Ouragan class


Mistral Class Amphibious Assault Ship

2 Units under construction, they'll replace the Ouragan class.

















Foudre Class Landing Platform Docks

2 units who will be replaced by the Forbin class.













The Ouragan Class

2Units, they'll be replaced by the Mistral class very soon.









About the Submarines, the reoudtable class will be soon ended and entirely replaced by the Triomphant class, the Amethyste class will also be replaced by the Barracuda class in the longer term.


Triomphant Class Tactical Nuclear Submarines

4 Units: 3 operational, 1 in construction. They'll replace the Redoutable class.















Amethyste Class Attack Nuclear Submarines

6 Units avaible, they'll be replaced in the future by the upcomming Barracuda class.
















Barracuda Class Attack Nuclear Submarines

I have little information on those submarines, they'll replace the Amethyste class in the distant future.



Redoutable Class Nuclear Tactical Submarine

1 Unit to be replaced soon.





Cruisers, Frigates, Destoyers and Corvettes will experience massive changes in the future. The Forbin class will replace two older classes, the FREMM will also replace two classes and new proespects of Corvettes are under studies. The Cruiser will be also decomissioned.

Joan of Arc Class Cruiser

1 unit to be decomissioned.

This is the French cruiser, used for training but still operational in case of conflict.








Cassard Class Destroyers

2 units avaible.













Forbin/Horizon Class Anti-Warfare Frigates

4 units, two under construction to replace the Duchesne class and two more ordered to replace the Tourville class.

















La Fayette Class Frigates

5 Units avaible.













Floreal Class Frigates

6 Units











European Multimission Frigates

17 units ordered, it will replace the Georges Leygues class and the Avisos class.






Tourville Class Destroyers

2 Units, will be replaced by the 2 last Forbin Class












Duchesne Class Destroyer

1 unit that will be replaced by the 2 first Forbin destroyers







Georges Leygues Class Destroyers

7 Units, anti submarines destroyers to be replaced by the FREMM.









Aviso Class Corvettes

10 Units, the shame of our navy. Hopefully Turkey will have them as soon as we've replaced them for the FREMM.









Gowind 170 Class Corvettes

No clue about them, they are just a prospect. it seems to be an FREMM variant but don't quote me on this.





A lot of changes are expected, while the Mirage 2000 experience upgrades, the Rafale is out and is already operational. It will replace many older planes like the Jaguar, the older Mirages and the Super Etendard.

Rafale

294 Units ordered, will replace several other places.



















Atlantique ATL3 – Maritime patrol aircraft










Mirage 2000











C-160 Transall Cargo Aircraft Tactical Transport Aircraft











We are using some AWACS and stuff. Including for naval uses

E-3 AWACS AIRBORNE WARNING AND CONTROL SYSTEM E-3F SDCA for us







E-2C Hawkeye











The two major devellopments in this matter are of course the Eurocopter Tiger and the NH-90.

Eurocopter Tiger









NH90 NFH-ASW Transport Helicopter









A555 Fennec Twin Engined Light Naval Helicopter










The Dauphin












LECLERC MAIN BATTLE TANK











AMX 30 Brennus 2









VEXTRA 105 WHEELED RECONNAISSANCE VEHICLE











CAESAR 155MM SELF PROPELLED ARTILLERY SYSTEM









ERYX HEAVY ANTI-ARMOUR MISSILE









ROLAND SHORT-RANGE AIR DEFENCE MISSILE SYSTEM

Espero que gostem. Para aqueles que tiverem paciência de ver, o que mudou desde então?

Cumprimentos a todos!

[Lord Nauta]

A Marinha da França com a derrocada da Royal Navy se torna a mais importante Marinha da Europa sendo também uma das mais poderosas do mundo.


Sds

Lord Nauta

[Frederico Vitor]

A Marinha da França seria a MB do futuro (daqui a 50 anos)?

[P. K. Liulba]

O citado Dokdo (Marinha da Coréia do Sul):

[P44]

L’Adroit, an OPV built by DCNS on its own funds, has begun its sea trials; it will be loaned, free of charge, to the French navy for three years to promote exports. (DCNS photo)

DCNS: Gowind OPV L’Adroit Begins First Sea Trials


(Source: DCNS; issued July 28, 2011)

The Gowind offshore patrol boat L'Adroit began its first sea trials on Wednesday 27 July for DCNS to validate the seakeeping and other nautical qualities of the vessel.

These initial sea trials mark the beginning of the next phase of the ambitious Gowind OPV programme, which spearheads DCNS's efforts to win a larger share of the markets for small- and medium-displacement surface ships. The sea trials are beginning in line with the contract schedule, just 14 months after construction started on the Gowind L’Adroit, an innovative offshore patrol boat designed for maritime safety & security missions.

“The start of these first sea trials is a symbolic milestone that testifies to the remarkable teamwork between DCNS, the project’s investors and co-contractors, and the trial crews,” said Gowind OPV programme manager Marc Maynard. “Everybody has brought their knowledge and expertise to the table, and their unflagging commitment has made it possible to consistently meet the programme’s ambitious industrial milestones.”

During the sea trials, more than 50 technicians on board the vessel are conducting an intensive test campaign to validate its seakeeping and other nautical qualities. After testing the ship’s fire-fighting, flood control and other safety systems, the onboard team will be running trials with the propulsion system and checking vessel manoeuvrability. Alongside these sea trials, tests will also be conducted on the ship’s navigation systems (log, position, heading), inertial platforms (positioning) and other systems.

When the vessel returns to dock, outfitting of the last equipment compartments and painting work will continue. Construction is scheduled for completion by DCNS at the end of 2011.

The start of sea trials with the Gowind OPV L’Adroit again demonstrates DCNS’s ability to design and build a highly innovative ship in less than 24 months and in strict compliance with budget commitments.

OPV L’Adroit is being built under a DCNS-funded programme and will be made available to the French Navy for three years on completion. The three-year loan period will enable the Navy to qualify the OPV as ‘sea proven’, giving DCNS an exceptionally strong argument when promoting the Gowind family on the international market.

The Navy will demonstrate the Gowind’s relevance and operational value for current and emerging missions on the high seas, from area surveillance to anti-piracy, counter-terrorism, fisheries policing, drug interdiction, environmental protection, humanitarian aid, search & rescue and maritime safety & security.

OPV L’Adroit has a length of 87 metres, an at-sea endurance of 3 weeks and a range of 8,000 nautical miles. With a top speed of 21 knots, the vessel has a helicopter flight deck and can accommodate UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) operations. It is designed for reduced crewing, with a complement of 30 and space for 30 passengers.

The ship features a number of major innovations for navies, commandos and coastguards: 360° panoramic visibility from the bridge, a single integrated mast for 360° radar coverage, covert deployment of fast commando boats in less than 5 minutes and provision for UAVs and USVs (unmanned surface vehicles). The Gowind family also benefits from DCNS’s extensive experience in IT and command information systems. Vessels in the Gowind family can be readily tailored for extended area surveillance and, when working in conjunction with shore-based control centres and other networked ships, for the automatic detection of suspicious behaviour by ships and other craft.


DCNS is a world leader in naval defence and an innovative player in energy. The Group's success as an advanced technology company with global reach is built on meeting customer needs by deploying exceptional know-how and unique industrial resources. DCNS designs, builds and supports surface combatants, submarines and mission-critical systems and equipment incorporating the most advanced technologies. It also proposes services for naval shipyards and bases. The Group employs 12,500 people and generates annual revenues of around EUR 2.5 billion.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... rials.html

[brasil70]

A Marinha da França com a derrocada da Royal Navy se torna a mais importante Marinha da Europa sendo também uma das mais poderosas do mundo.


Sds

Lord Nauta

A Marinha Alemã se compara a Francesa ou não?

[Bolovo]

A Marinha da França com a derrocada da Royal Navy se torna a mais importante Marinha da Europa sendo também uma das mais poderosas do mundo.


Sds

Lord Nauta

A Marinha Alemã se compara a Francesa ou não?

Nossa. A Marinha Alemã está longe. Em tamanho é no mínimo duas vezes menor. Sem contar que os franceses algumas exclusividades, como um porta-aviões, seis submarinos nucleares e quatro submarinos balísticos. No continente quem chega perto é a Grã-Bretanha, mas esses estão ficando para trás. Eu acho que talvez seja a terceira ou quarta maior marinha do mundo. Atrás de EUA, Rússia e talvez China.